Creation

[davetaff]

Hi
Creation again how should we read the creation account in Genesis I believe it should be understood starting when Noah stepped of the Ark and God began a new creation the only thing he needed to create was mankind in his image which would be Jesus Christ and the multitude of believers he presents to the father on the beginning of the 7th day of creation.
Each day of creation would be a 1000 years long and began with Noah and everything on the ark.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

This describes the world when God flooded the world water covered the world to the tops of the mountains.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[JulieB67]

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

This describes the world when God flooded the world water covered the world to the tops of the mountains.

I believe he flooded the earth prior to the age that we presently live in. The mountains/hills literally shifted during that time in his anger. It was not noted that they move during Noah's flood.
Jeremiah 4 touches on this prior time and takes us right to Genesis 1:2 so there is no doubt of the time period he is talking about. That's also why when we look at a globe/maps today, it looks like a giant puzzle that used to fit together. And it's also why certain animal fossils are found in locations like the US that are used to a warmer climate like Africa, etc. It was literally paradise at one point. The bible is not a science or history book but I think God gives us enough to piece some of it together if we take it as a whole. I believe this prior age is when Satan had his overthrow/downfall. I believe God destroyed that age and started again with this one. Peter states people are willingly ignorant that the heavens are of "old" and the earth was standing in and out of water. That is Genesis 1:2, not Noah's flood.

And this present age could not have started with with Noah because Noah is descended from Adam. But when we know this fact, we look back at Genesis 1:2 and see that yes, the earth is covered in water and why? We know in Isaiah, he did not create it that way. He created it to be inhabited, and it was. It then "became" without form and void -a ruined wasteland if you will.

Just sharing my beliefs.

 

[Job 33:6]

Hi
Creation again how should we read the creation account in Genesis I believe it should be understood starting when Noah stepped of the Ark and God began a new creation the only thing he needed to create was mankind in his image which would be Jesus Christ and the multitude of believers he presents to the father on the beginning of the 7th day of creation.
Each day of creation would be a 1000 years long and began with Noah and everything on the ark.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

This describes the world when God flooded the world water covered the world to the tops of the mountains.

Love and Peace
Dave

Genesis describes ancient Israelite cosmology with the 7-days reflecting a temple inauguration.

 

[eleos1954]

Hi
Creation again how should we read the creation account in Genesis I believe it should be understood starting when Noah stepped of the Ark and God began a new creation the only thing he needed to create was mankind in his image which would be Jesus Christ and the multitude of believers he presents to the father on the beginning of the 7th day of creation.
Each day of creation would be a 1000 years long and began with Noah and everything on the ark.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

This describes the world when God flooded the world water covered the world to the tops of the mountains.

Love and Peace
Dave

evening and morning does not compute to 1,000 days

Biblically ... The beginning of mankind started with Adam and Eve not Noah.

This describes the world when God flooded the world water covered the world to the tops of the mountains

No it doesn't .... because God had not yet created light or anything else.

 

[davetaff]

evening and morning does not compute to 1,000 days

Biblically ... The beginning of mankind started with Adam and Eve not Noah.

Hi folks
Thank you for your replies always interesting to read makes one think.
So was the first Adam created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ we know the last Adam was Jesus the head and his body a whole multitude of believers so was the first Adam and Eve the same not one man and one woman but a whole multitude of people they started as one man but grew the same as the last Adam.
We know the first Adam died there was no man in Gods image so God began a new creation of man in his image the first man would be Israel.The man of flesh must come first then the spiritual man

When God said let there be light this light is the light of the world Jesus Christ through him all things were created through him.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi folks
Thank you for your replies always interesting to read makes one think.
So was the first Adam created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ we know the last Adam was Jesus the head and his body a whole multitude of believers so was the first Adam and Eve the same not one man and one woman but a whole multitude of people they started as one man but grew the same as the last Adam.
We know the first Adam died there was no man in Gods image so God began a new creation of man in his image the first man would be Israel.The man of flesh must come first then the spiritual man

When God said let there be light this light is the light of the world Jesus Christ through him all things were created through him.

Love and Peace
Dave

No the first Adam was not created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ, for the reason that Jesus Christ is eternal, not created- He's fully God. As for Creation, as John tells us at the start of his gospel:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

If you read further on in that chapter, it is made clear that by "the Word" John was meaning Jesus Christ.

 

[eleos1954]

Hi folks
Thank you for your replies always interesting to read makes one think.
So was the first Adam created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ we know the last Adam was Jesus the head and his body a whole multitude of believers so was the first Adam and Eve the same not one man and one woman but a whole multitude of people they started as one man but grew the same as the last Adam.
We know the first Adam died there was no man in Gods image so God began a new creation of man in his image the first man would be Israel.The man of flesh must come first then the spiritual man

When God said let there be light this light is the light of the world Jesus Christ through him all things were created through him.

Love and Peace
Dave

We know the first Adam died

Not from God's perspective .... the first death (earthly death) is a sleep from God's perspective because He has the power of resurrection.

Adam and Eve's creation and exile from the Garden after disobeying YHWH's commands is very analogous to the story of the nation of Israel.

and ... yes ... Jesus is indeed the light of the world and our creator.

The bible is amazingly rich with symbolism ... it's the way God rolls

as one once said .... a picture is worth 1,000 words. ;o)

God gives us pictures via symbolism so we may have a deeper understanding.

 

[davetaff]

No the first Adam was not created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ, for the reason that Jesus Christ is eternal, not created- He's fully God. As for Creation, as John tells us at the start of his gospel:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

If you read further on in that chapter, it is made clear that by "the Word" John was meaning Jesus Christ.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply but I have never said Christ was created he is the creator of everything including man in the image of God which is his body which he will present to the Father on his return.
Yes Christ is the word of God through him and the word all things are created.
As for man in Gods image the best example we have is Israel the son of God.

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt

So the nation of Israel is God son and as such would be the image of his Father God and the multitude of believers that Christ will present to God the Father will be constructed in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Not from God's perspective .... the first death (earthly death) is a sleep from God's perspective because He has the power of resurrection.

Adam and Eve's creation and exile from the Garden after disobeying YHWH's commands is very analogous to the story of the nation of Israel.

and ... yes ... Jesus is indeed the light of the world and our creator.

The bible is amazingly rich with symbolism ... it's the way God rolls

as one once said .... a picture is worth 1,000 words. ;o)

God gives us pictures via symbolism so we may have a deeper understanding.

Hi eleos
Thank you for your reply very informative yes of course you are right we don't die but we will all sleep awaiting the resurrection let us pray it will come soon.
Yes the bible is full of symbolism especially the creation account in Genesis especially the fourth day when God creates the sun the moon and the stars the sun of course is Christ the light of the world the moon the church the reflected light of the sun the stars the children of God I think that makes more sense the crowning glory of creation is man in the image of God which is Jesus Christ and his body of believers

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply but I have never said Christ was created he is the creator of everything including man in the image of God which is his body which he will present to the Father on his return.
Yes Christ is the word of God through him and the word all things are created.
As for man in Gods image the best example we have is Israel the son of God.

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt

So the nation of Israel is God son and as such would be the image of his Father God and the multitude of believers that Christ will present to God the Father will be constructed in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave

Sorry, I must have misunderstood you when you wrote, "So was the first Adam created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ." As you were asking whether the first Adam's creation was done in the same way as the last Adam's, I assumed (wrongly, it appears - sorry!) that you did indeed believe that Jesus was created.

 

[Diamond72]

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

This describes the world when God flooded the world water covered the world to the tops of the mountains.

We need to take a look at Jeremiah 4:23 "I looked at the earth, and it was formless and empty; and at the heavens, and their light was gone." to see the connection with Genesis 1:2.

• Formlessness and Emptiness: Both verses describe the earth as "formless and empty." In Genesis, this phrase sets the stage for God's creation, indicating a state of chaos before the divine order is established. In Jeremiah, the same phrase is used to describe a vision of destruction, symbolizing a return to chaos.
• Darkness and Light: Genesis 1:2 mentions darkness over the deep, with the Spirit of God preparing to bring light and order. Jeremiah 4:23, on the other hand, speaks of a vision where "their light was gone," signifying desolation and a withdrawal of God's creative presence.

• Creation and Judgment: The juxtaposition of these verses highlights the themes of creation and judgment. Genesis presents the beginning of creation, where God brings order out of chaos. Jeremiah's vision, however, depicts a reversal, where the land returns to chaos as a consequence of Israel's disobedience.
• Divine Sovereignty: Both passages underscore God's sovereignty over creation. In Genesis, God brings forth life and light. In Jeremiah, the imagery of a desolate earth emphasizes God's power to both create and judge.

 

[Diamond72]

we don't die but we will all sleep awaiting the resurrection

When I sleep I have dreams and my brain is still active. When I am dead I do not remember anything. Although I read about people who have NDE.

 

[Simonides]

God created the Earth. Yes.
But which one?

 

[davetaff]

Sorry, I must have misunderstood you when you wrote, "So was the first Adam created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ." As you were asking whether the first Adam's creation was done in the same way as the last Adam's, I assumed (wrongly, it appears - sorry!) that you did indeed believe that Jesus was created.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply no need to apologise it may do some good for others who have misunderstood what I have said.
I know I have some strange ideas but they are all based in scripture and especially the creation account in Genesis it is the history of mankind from the flood to the creation of man in the image of God which is Jesus Christ at his second coming.
I know this is opposed to what most denominations are preaching but I welcome opposition makes me search and think harder to come to the truth.
We know that creation is ongoing because the end of creation is man in the image of God and that man is Jesus Christ he is the only man in scripture who is said to be man in the image God

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

This is only said of Christ no one else so Christ is the end of creation

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

When I sleep I have dreams and my brain is still active. When I am dead I do not remember anything. Although I read about people who have NDE.

Hi Diomond7
Thank you for your reply I am only saying what the scriptures say which is

Jhn 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

Jhn 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Diamond72]

Thank you for your reply I am only saying what the scriptures say which is

Yes Paul talks about that but Paul can be difficult to understand.

 

[davetaff]

Yes Paul talks about that but Paul can be difficult to understand.

Hi Diomond7
Thank you for your reply I don't think what Paul says in the verse above is difficult he is only saying that those alive when Jesus returns will be changed into spiritual beings so they can enter the body of Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Hi folks
How easily it is to get diverted from the theme of the thread which is creation so lets get back to it.

Genesis 1:6-8 ESV
[6] And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” [7] And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. [8] And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

Genesis 1:6-8 And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from t | English Standard Version 2016 (ES

And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from t

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Here we see God separating heaven from earth was this to stop the angels from coming down an contaminating this creation as they did the last creation before the flood.
So only those who God permitted to do his work were allowed to come down from heaven to instruct those whom God has chosen such as moses so this is my thoughts on the second day of creation whats yours.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Diamond72]

I don't think what Paul

Paul is not difficult for those that are saved and redeemed. Still he was writing to a people 2,000 years in the future. What would you say if you were writing to people 2,000 years from now? What happened to them in 70ad and what is happening to us today different and yet still the same. As the Church Age ends and the Kingdom Age begins.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi folks
How easily it is to get diverted from the theme of the thread which is creation so lets get back to it.

Genesis 1:6-8 ESV
[6] And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” [7] And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. [8] And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

Genesis 1:6-8 And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from t | English Standard Version 2016 (ES

And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from t

bible.com

Here we see God separating heaven from earth was this to stop the angels from coming down an contaminating this creation as they did the last creation before the flood.

Wait a minute! God created the heavens and the earth as described in Genesis 1, so before the Flood. Also, where do you see in the bible that God stopped the angels coming to earth? The fallen angels haven't stopped coming to earth and tempting us. The unfallen angels aren't going to contaminate God's creation anyway.

So only those who God permitted to do his work were allowed to come down from heaven to instruct those whom God has chosen such as moses so this is my thoughts on the second day of creation whats yours.

Moses wasn't an angel, and he wasn't around on the second day of creation.

Love and Peace
Dave

And likewise to you.