Creation, science, and the Nicene creed

[AV1611VET]

That's an interesting opinion, which raises some equally interesting theological questions, don't you think?

It's called the Gap theory.

 

[AV1611VET]

I see nothing in that little creed that requires a Christian to specify how God did it.

God spoke and it was done.

 

[AV1611VET]

This was His divine presence, the locus of His place and power in the Israelite religion.

What, exactly, then would "shekinah energy" be?

You said it yourself.

His power.

 

[HitchSlap]

It's called the Gap theory.

Gap, it's only a theory.

 

[AV1611VET]

Gap, it's only a theory.

Having fun?

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's called the Gap theory.

a statement which answers exactly none of the interesting theological questions raised -- namely, what was God doing before and during the "Gap"?

 

[TLK Valentine]

God spoke and it was done.

Step one: God speaks.
Step two: ?
Step three: it gets done.

Naturally, you'll be the first to claim that there was no step two, but since neither the Bible nor the creed support that belief, there's no harm in looking, now is there?

 

[HitchSlap]

Having fun?

Almost. You?

 

[AV1611VET]

a statement which answers exactly none of the interesting theological questions raised -- namely, what was God doing before and during the "Gap"?

I give up ... what was God doing before and during the "Gap"?

What was Jesus doing during those silent years?

Do you know the difference between:

1. expressed truth
2. implied truth
3. apocryphal truth

Can you give me a working definition of each one that is useable in Christian apologetics, professor?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You said it yourself.

His power.

As a Christian, do you believe there's a place where His power doesn't exist?

 

[AV1611VET]

Step one: God speaks.
Step two: ?
Step three: it gets done.

Yes, indeed.

Now you know why I like this picture so much:

 

[TLK Valentine]

I give up ... what was God doing before and during the "Gap"?

That's what makes it an interesting theological question.

That was Jesus doing during those silent years?

Another interesting theological question, although not relevant to the discussion at hand.

Do you know the difference between:

1. expressed truth
2. implied truth
3. apocryphal truth

Can you give me a working definition of each one that is useable in Christian apologetics, professor?

Not an interesting theological question, and not relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes, indeed.

Now you know why I like this picture so much:

I like it, too -- I used to have it on a t-shirt.

The difference is, unlike you, I'm the one not afraid to investigate step two.

 

[AV1611VET]

As a Christian, do you believe there's a place where His power doesn't exist?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not an interesting theological question, and not relevant to the discussion at hand.

... solid aurum.

I'm off to Sunday school with this one.

 

[AV1611VET]

I like it, too -- I used to have it on a t-shirt.

I'd like to have it framed and put on my wall and the wall of our church.

The difference is, unlike you, I'm the one not afraid to investigate step two.

There are truths so well hidden, that only the possessor of those truths know them.

Unless they are expressed or implied, no one else will ever know what they are.

Those are called "apocryphal truths."

I'm thinking of a number right now.

You can take a lucky guess as to what it is, but until I express or imply that number, you'll never know.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No.

Then you agree that you, I, and quite literally every single point in the universe is saturated with shekinah energy 24/7, correct?

 

[TLK Valentine]

... solid aurum.

I'm off to Sunday school with this one.

About time you learned something.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then you agree that you, I, and quite literally every single point in the universe is saturated with shekinah energy 24/7, correct?

Correct.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There are truths so well hidden, that only the possessor of those truths know them.

That's what happens when you refuse to share.

Unless they are expressed or implied, no one else will ever know what they are.

Those are called "apocryphal truths."

And the difference between an "apocryphal truth" and a "secret" would be...?

I'm thinking of a number right now.

You can take a lucky guess as to what it is, but until I express or imply that number, you'll never know.

Until you give me a reason to, I'll never care.