• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Creation or Evolution, does it matter?

zephcom

Well-Known Member
Jul 9, 2017
2,395
1,650
78
Pacific Northwest
✟102,947.00
Country
United States
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Married
Does it matter whether we are the same as our forefathers or if we evolve from apes?
What I know is God creates us.
So long as God creates us, does it matter whether creationist or evolutionist is right?

It matters to those who desire to know the truth.
 
Upvote 0

pitabread

Well-Known Member
Jan 29, 2017
12,920
13,373
Frozen North
✟344,333.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
So long as God creates us, does it matter whether creationist or evolutionist is right?

Leaving aside the religious side of things, creationists are also trying to unwind about 200 years of scientific advancement. That's a bit of an issue.
 
Upvote 0

Danielwright2311

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Mar 28, 2018
2,217
1,352
52
Sacorro NM
✟155,365.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Divorced
Does it matter whether we are the same as our forefathers or if we evolve from apes?
What I know is God creates us.
So long as God creates us, does it matter whether creationist or evolutionist is right?

Yes it matters because if you say anything other then creation from God in 7 days then you are calling God a liar as he is the one who told the creation story in the book of genesis.

Then God said let there be light, and there was light.
 
Upvote 0

Hishandmaiden

The Humble Servant
Site Supporter
Jan 11, 2002
6,382
229
42
Singapore
✟35,969.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Yes it matters because if you say anything other then creation from God in 7 days then you are calling God a liar as he is the one who told the creation story in the book of genesis.

Then God said let there be light, and there was light.

How do you know if the 7 days God mentions is literally 7 days or metaphorically 7 days?
God also mentions in the bible that we are not to stumble the weak in disputable matters.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Erik Nelson
Upvote 0

46AND2

Forty six and two are just ahead of me...
Sep 5, 2012
5,807
2,210
Vancouver, WA
✟117,103.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
Yes it matters because if you say anything other then creation from God in 7 days then you are calling God a liar as he is the one who told the creation story in the book of genesis.

Then God said let there be light, and there was light.

or maybe I'm just calling you "illiterate..."
 
Upvote 0

zephcom

Well-Known Member
Jul 9, 2017
2,395
1,650
78
Pacific Northwest
✟102,947.00
Country
United States
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Married
How do you know what is truth? Other than truth being the fact that we are created by God.
It is the desire to know the truth.

How did you determine that we are created by God is fact?
 
Upvote 0

Danielwright2311

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Mar 28, 2018
2,217
1,352
52
Sacorro NM
✟155,365.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Divorced
How do you know if the 7 days God mentions is literally 7 days or metaphorically 7 days?
God also mentions in the bible that we are not to stumble the weak in disputable matters.

Because it says so right in the Bible, it says then the sun set and there was another day, one whole day, a 24 hour day.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Erik Nelson
Upvote 0

46AND2

Forty six and two are just ahead of me...
Sep 5, 2012
5,807
2,210
Vancouver, WA
✟117,103.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
Because it says so right in the Bible, it says then the sun set and there was another day, one whole day, a 24 hour day.

You speak ancient Hebrew, then? You a time traveler who knows the idioms and literary styles of that time, are you? Perhaps you could post your doctoral thesis for us on the mechanics of ancient Hebrew literature, and how it mimics modern English?

No? That's ok, because even if you could, the world is CLEARLY--scientifically proven to be--MUCH older than 6k years. So your ancient Hebrews were wrong, anyway.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,281
8,501
Milwaukee
✟411,038.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Because it says so right in the Bible, it says then the sun set and there was another day, one whole day, a 24 hour day.

So we should take these passages litterally as well then? Or do we say not literally? Because it says so right in the Bible, ancient mountains and everlasting hills.

Deuteronomy 33:15
with the best of the ancient mountains and the bounty of the everlasting hills,

Genesis 49:26
The blessings of your father have surpassed the blessings of the ancient mountains and the bounty of the everlasting hills. May they rest on the head of Joseph, on the brow of the prince of his brothers.

Habakkuk 3:6
He stood and measured the earth; He looked and startled the nations; the ancient mountains were scattered; the perpetual hills bowed. His ways are everlasting.

Psalm 76:4 Thou enlightenest wonderfully from the everlasting hills.
 
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,281
8,501
Milwaukee
✟411,038.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Yes it matters because if you say anything other then creation from God in 7 days then you are calling God a liar as he is the one who told the creation story in the book of genesis.

Genesis expands on the story somewhat:

And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind....

The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees ....

24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds


So if we take the scripture litterally, the earth created living creatures and plants.
 
Upvote 0

USincognito

a post by Alan Smithee
Site Supporter
Dec 25, 2003
42,070
16,820
Dallas
✟918,891.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Yes it matters because if you say anything other then creation from God in 7 days then you are calling God a liar as he is the one who told the creation story in the book of genesis.

Then God said let there be light, and there was light.

By denying deep time you're calling God a liar because the Creation itself says it's old.
 
  • Optimistic
Reactions: 46AND2
Upvote 0

46AND2

Forty six and two are just ahead of me...
Sep 5, 2012
5,807
2,210
Vancouver, WA
✟117,103.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
Genesis expands on the story somewhat:

And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind....

The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees ....

24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds


So if we take the scripture litterally, the earth created living creatures and plants.

You might need to capitalize 'the earth' and make it a larger font, too. But only do it in the last sentence...

Otherwise, the point might be missed. ;)
 
Upvote 0

TagliatelliMonster

Well-Known Member
Sep 22, 2016
4,292
3,373
46
Brugge
✟81,672.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Does it matter whether we are the same as our forefathers or if we evolve from apes?

It matters if you care about holding accurate beliefs.

What I know is God creates us.

You don't know that. You believe that.

So long as God creates us, does it matter whether creationist or evolutionist is right?

This is a dead give away. You don't want to believe whatever turns out accurate. You just want to believe in your religion. So you'll reject at face value whatever contradicts that which you want to believe.

Amirite?
 
Upvote 0

TagliatelliMonster

Well-Known Member
Sep 22, 2016
4,292
3,373
46
Brugge
✟81,672.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Yes it matters because if you say anything other then creation from God in 7 days then you are calling God a liar as he is the one who told the creation story in the book of genesis.

Then God said let there be light, and there was light.

The bible was written by humans.
 
Upvote 0

TagliatelliMonster

Well-Known Member
Sep 22, 2016
4,292
3,373
46
Brugge
✟81,672.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Upvote 0