JohnR7 said:
No. You see, Im a TE and I dont look at evolution as a creationist theory. Why, because creationism isnt science at all and thus there is no such thing as creationist theory.
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No. You see, Im a TE and I dont look at evolution as a creationist theory. Why, because creationism isnt science at all and thus there is no such thing as creationist theory.
TheBigAl said:
Evolution is a word in our dictionary and we seem to be able to argue all day over what that word means and how to define it. During the 1000 year reign of Christ here on this earth, there will be a new dictionary and God himself will define for us what the words mean. Jesus we are told is the word of God, that became flesh. We also are to be living expressions of the word of God. For a christian words are our covering or the clothing that we wear.
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JohnR7 said:
You make it sound as if God is hiding something from us.
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You should remember this.
JohnR7 said:
And you still dont see it, do you?
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TheBigAl said:
There maybe no such thing as a "creationist" theory, but for me there is no conflict between creationism and science. Some new scientific findings have caused us to rethink some of the traditional christian beliefs, but the Bible continues to be true and it does not ever change.
As far as TE, many people believe that "Evolution" is a way of explaining how God brought creation into being. The majority of people are TE in this country. Although YEC does have a surprising number of followers.
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Mencken was no fan of religion. You may want to refrain from quoting him, lest I bring out the heavy armor.JohnR7 said:
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JohnR7 said:
Well, you said earlier that science was based on truth, and evolution is science. Need I go on?
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The Bible is very clear that God created in six literal days. Evolution says billions, and in this they contradict eachother.....
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TheBigAl said:
It depends on who or what you mean by "us". If God is hiding something, He is hiding it from those who are perishing. He does not hide anything from those who are children of God, but clearly let them know what He is doing.
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TheBigAl said:
Your point is what? That there is no error in science, they have the answer to every question and the solution to every problem. Science has a system to try and work out what is true and what is false, but it leaves a lot to be desired.
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Arent we all children of God? Why would God tell scientists and your garden variety creationists two different things?JohnR7 said:
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nvxplorer said:
The only way to become a child of God is to be born again and to become a new creation in Christ. A child is a reflection of their parents to some degree. In order to be a child of God, you have to have the nature of God.
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TheBigAl said:
I just answered this, the only way to become a child of God is to be born again of the spirit of God. Adam and Eve were children of God, but when they sinned and were thrown out of the Garden in Eden, then they no longer were Children of God, they lost the divine nature and no longer represented God. There is nothing in the Bible that talks about them being restored onto God.
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JohnR7 said:
That still doesnt change the fact that God created us, and is responsible for our being, thus he is our father. That hole Adam and Eve story never sounded logical to me, because it makes God look irresponsible and hypocrite by blaming humanity for something he did (putting the tree of wisdom and telling Adam and Even not to eat from it, when it was obvious that he was unintentionally performing reverse psychology on them). It makes God look not so wise.
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JohnR7, there are two things which you may wish to consider before further pursuing that line of reasoning. The first is that accepting the validity of the theory of evolution is not exclusive to people who are not born-again evangelical Christians. Several notable current figures in the field of evolution are extremely devout Christians, including one Pentacostal minister.
The second is to ask the most basic question of scientific methodology, "What should we expect to see in the world if your statement is actually true?" The simple answer to that is that all Christians would agree on religious issues. That clearly is not true. Martin Luthor translated the Bible into something other than Latin (German) for the first time in Western Europe, thinking that if it was accessible to the masses that all people would quickly come to its true interpretation. That thought is laughable today. For even more amusement, go cruise the Eschatology section of this forum (among others) if you want to see how well true Bible-believing are capable of agreeing on anything even though each of them feels themselves to be guided by the Holy Spirit.
The second is to ask the most basic question of scientific methodology, "What should we expect to see in the world if your statement is actually true?" The simple answer to that is that all Christians would agree on religious issues. That clearly is not true. Martin Luthor translated the Bible into something other than Latin (German) for the first time in Western Europe, thinking that if it was accessible to the masses that all people would quickly come to its true interpretation. That thought is laughable today. For even more amusement, go cruise the Eschatology section of this forum (among others) if you want to see how well true Bible-believing are capable of agreeing on anything even though each of them feels themselves to be guided by the Holy Spirit.
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