Creation and PreAdamites

yeshuasavedme said:

Otherwise, for those who want to know about the black descendants of Noah's son, there is a man who does do the history.
Ancient Egyptian Photo Gallery -- Courtesy of Return To Glory
Ancient Egyptian Photo Gallery -- Courtesy of Return To Glory
Return To Glory --

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Those are black supremacist afrocentric websites. The first link has videos about ''white liars'' and ''white people who drive you crazy''...Basically that website is set up to attack scholars who believe the egyptians were caucasian and smears white people in general.

You are clearly a black supremacist - look at your video links ''blacks return back to glory''...

You are spewing forth falsehoods like a serpent spits venom.
The Glory to return to is God, in the book and the film.

"The Colchians, Ethiopians and Egyptians have thick lips,
broad nose, woolly hair and they are burnt of skin."
-- Herodotus, 450 BC

http://wysinger.homestead.com/kingtaharqa.html

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]King Taharqa (Tirhakah) (reign 690-664 B.C.) one of the [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Nubian [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]rulers during
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]W.M. Flinders Petrie, [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]A History of Egypt[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] - Part Three, (1896), p. 308 states: ". . . . the kings of Napata represented the old civilization of Upper Egypt is clear; and it is probably that they were actually descended from the high priest of Amen, who were the rightful successors of the XVIIIth and XIXth dynasties. So far, then, as hereditary rights go, they were the true kings of Egypt, rather than the mob of Libyan chiefs who had filtered in the Delta, and who tried to domineer over the Nile valley from that no-man's land."
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Taharqa, a son and third successor of King Piye, was the greatest of the Nubian pharaohs. His empire stretched from Palestine to the confluence of the Blue and White Niles. About 684 B.C. the Nile rose in a great flood. Taharqa's kingdom brought an exceptional harvest that year, and the kingdom grew rich. He ordered many construction projects, and built or renewed many fine temples in Egypt. The early years of his reign were very prosperous.[/FONT]

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yeshuasavedme said:

"The Colchians, Ethiopians and Egyptians have thick lips,
broad nose, woolly hair and they are burnt of skin."
-- Herodotus, 450 BC

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Herodotus never wrote this. You have pulled this fake quote from the Afrocentric site: Huge Ancient Egyptian Photo Gallery -- 230 Photos!

You are pulling distorted quotes from black supremacist sites, instead you should read actual translations from classicists.

The quote is Herodotus' Histories, II. 104. 2:

''...νομίζειν δ᾽ ἔφασαν οἱ Αἰγύπτιοι τῆς Σεσώστριος στρατιῆς εἶναι τοὺς Κόλχους. αὐτὸς δὲ εἴκασα τῇδε, καὶ ὅτι μελάγχροες εἰσὶ καὶ οὐλότριχες. καὶ τοῦτο μὲν ἐς οὐδὲν ἀνήκει· εἰσὶ γὰρ καὶ ἕτεροι τοιοῦτοι· ἀλλὰ τοῖσιδε καὶ μᾶλλον, ὅτι μοῦνοι πάντων ἀνθρώπων Κόλχοι καὶ Αἰγύπτιοι καὶ Αἰθίοπες περιτάμνονται ἀπ᾽ ἀρχῆς τὰ αἰδοῖα.''

English translation -

''...but the Egyptians said they believed that the Colchians were a portion of the army of Sesostris. That this was so I conjectured myself not only because they are dark-skinned and have curly hair...''

Source: The History of Herodotus, parallel English/Greek: Book 2: Euterpe: 100

1. No mention of 'thick lips' (do you see how black supremacist links lie?)
2. No mention of 'broad nose' (so again another lie...)
3. No mention of 'ethiopians' (they are mentioned in the next section by Herodotus, but their features are not described in this passage).
4. No mention of 'wooly hair' only curly (black supremacists/Afrocentrics change the Greek meaning curly to ''wooly'' to suit their agenda/lies the egyptians were black).
5. Melanchroes in ancient Greek translates as 'dark skinned' not 'black skinned'. Of course having a mere sun-tan and you could be considered 'dark' but Afrocentrics twist/alter this word to fit their agenda.

Please read the physical descriptions from Strabo and Arrian of the egyptians.

There are cases of Greco-Roman authors likening Egyptians’ appearance to that of northern Indians, who generally do not look like black Africans. According to Arrian (Indica 6.9):
Strabo confirms in Geography 15.1.13, in almost identical wording: As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians.

Arrian and Strabo concur that the Egyptians resembled northern Indians – who are straight-haired and occasionally as light-skinned as southern Europeans – rather than the dark Dravidian types of southern India. Furthermore, although Arrian and Strabo differentiate Ethiopians from South Indians in terms of facial form and hair texture, they cite no such differences between the Egyptians and northern Indians.

The ancient egyptians were never black. The only people who think they were are black supremacists.

West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Herodotus in Africa

Were Egyptians Africans? Herodotus believed that the Colchians (southern Black Sea area) were introduced to Asia by Egyptian expansion as far as Thrace and Scythia because "they have black skins and curly hair (not that that amounts to much, as other nations have the same)." [Herodotus, Histories, 167.] They also practised circumcision, unlike Mediterranean peoples of the time.

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Ahmose Nefertari as depicted in tomb TT359

Queen consort of Egypt Full name Ahmose-Nefertari Titles Great Royal Wife
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Regent Born 1562 BC Died 1495 BC Consort Pharaoh Ahmose I Dynasty 18th of Egypt Father Pharaoh Tao II the Brave Mother Queen Ahhotep I Children Amenhotep I, Ahmose-ankh , Siamun , Ramose ?
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http://sidmukherjee.com/the-emperor-of-all-maladies/cast-of-characters/imhotep/
Imhotep

From correlatingcancer​.com

Imhotep (2655–2600 BC)
Egyptian scribe and royal physician who is the purported author of the Edwin Smith papyrus. Imhotep wrote a description of a disease that may have been breast cancer. Under “Therapy,” he solemnly noted: “There is none.”

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The fact is that there has always been a mixture of colors in the human being race, from the beginning. God created us to be multicolored. Only the division of the tribes by the confounding of the one mother tongue into the seventy at Babel, and the scattering of the tribes over the globe, by tongue division, which tongues further divided, over time, to the 6,000 or so today; and the dividing of the one land mass by the waters and the shortening of the years of human being's lives caused the eventual isolation of genetic information. God did not separate men by color, but by tongue.
But from the beginning of the creation [after the fall], when Cain killed Abel, brother has striven against brother for mastery, and brothers have separated and tribes have been at war with another from the beginning and up to today.
There is no peace on earth and will not be, until the Prince of Peace returns to cleanse the earth of all that offends and to set up His Millennial Sabbath of Peace.
Until then, brother wars against brother, for whatever excuse he can make, and devilish inventions of cruelties are practiced by dark/sin sick hearts of all colors of human beings. Wars come from inside our own sinful and dark hearts, when we do not love our brothers who were created in the image of God -in the same image that Christ was to come in and has come in, as second Man, as Romans 5:14 states.
No, one, descendant of Adam, through Noah, or tribe of Adam families coe through Noah, is superior to any other descendant of Adam through Noah; and God has never, ever, separated man by color, but by belief in Him, only. He sees only the righteous and the wicked, of all colors, and each one will be judged for their sins, alone, and answer to Him for how they lived their life while they had their being intact.

Moses married an Ethiopian woman, a descendant of Cush, who was black, and Miriam was disciplined with leprosy in her flesh and kept outside the camp for one week, for speaking against Moses for marrying the Ethiopian woman.
Now Moses' first marriage was a political marriage for convenience when he was installed by the people of Cush as their king, nine years after fleeing Egypt [which is ancient history recorded in Jasher, which I fully believe was written by Moses as a longer history of the Patriarchs up to and including himself, and that history of Moses life is also discussed by ancient Jews]. Moses was installed as king and got the deceased king's wife as his own. It was expedient for Moses, a foreigner, to take the wife with the throne, and he ruled until the deceased king's son took the throne, and the people of Cush gave Moses gifts and he went to Midian, where he met Zipporah, a descendant of Abraham and Keturah through their son, Midian, and married her, after some years.
Anyway, all this "racism" as is taught by evolutionists or any who deny special creation, is very wrong, and no one who hates his brother or who thinks he is more special to God than his brothers, no matter what color they are, will not enter into the kingdom of God and be in heaven -that is the Word on hatred and pride of heart against fellow human beings made in the image of God.

yeshuasavedme said:

Only the division of the tribes by the confounding of the one mother tongue into the seventy at Babel, and the scattering of the tribes over the globe, by tongue division, which tongues further divided, over time, to the 6,000 or so today; and the dividing of the one land mass by the waters and the shortening of the years of human being's lives caused the eventual isolation of genetic information.

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So this means you are an evolutionist.

You are saying after Babel, suddenly all the races mutated or evolved their features through an isolated genepool. Or atleast you are saying phenotypes changed - which is evolution.

The only thing that was sudden and immediate was the division of the tongues into 70, which have continued to divide, to today. The scattering and the land mass of earth dividing to what we have today was gradual, as the shortening of the lives of the race was also, which began after Babel, and continued to shorten until we were alloted 70 -80 years, but can live longer, but no longer in health and vigor, but in troubles, after that.

There is no mutation. There is a separation, and the gene pool is smaller when the tribes are scattered in isolation -that is genetics. In the animal kingdom, we do it on purpose, but in the kingdom of Adam, it is the by-product of the division of tongues, the scattrering out and isolation by dividing the land mass up to make it harder to be one people, and the lessening of the lives so that man could not live longer to do more evil together...
Still, mankind was not divided by color, by God, and it took many centuries of more and more interbreeding as the tribes scattered to produce what is called features of one or another tribe, being thought of as belonging to them: but even then, there is great variation among the tribes still, just not what it would be if the tongue division and the scattering out from one another, and the earth's land mass dividing up to keep man separated, over the centuries, had not happened.

Adam and Eve had all the genetic information for the race inherent in their genes for all the variation of the human family, and God set it up for each offspring to have recessive or dominant genes for every feature of the body created by God, and for variation in the Human kind, from the beginning.
Nothing is added, but information is lost by people groups who are isolated from the whole....but they can get it back as the Jews have been doing while in the diaspora, scattered among the nations, and who are returning home with all the genetic information that the race of Adam has for all the features of the body that God created to be inherent in the kind, at Creation.
Noah was white, Japheth was white, Shem was red -dark bronzed red- and Ham was black. There is no reason that their mothers, who were sisters, were also not of various colors or shadings of skin, as Noah's wife would have also been.
In Enoch's dream visions, given him in totemic imagery of the history of the tribes of Adam until the regeneraton of all things, we learn that the three sons of Noah were three colors, like in the beginning, as Enoch records: Cain/black, Abel/red, and Seth/white also, who married sisters who were equally likely equally varied in colors.

Noah and his sons
89:9"But that white bull which had become a man came out of that vessel, and the three bulls with him, and one of those three was white like that bull, and one of them was red as blood, and one black: and that white bull departed from them.

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Esau was red, also -and hairy, very hairy.

Jasher Chapter 26 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887

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And when her days to be delivered were completed, she knelt down, and behold there were twins in her womb, as the Lord had spoken to her.
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And the first came out red all over like a hairy garment, and all the people of the land called his name Esau, saying, That this one was made complete from the womb.


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Genesis 11

1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

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And God said to the seventy angels who stood foremost before him, to those who were near to him, saying, Come let us descend and confuse their tongues, that one man shall not understand the language of his neighbor, and they did so unto them.
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And from that day following, they forgot each man his neighbor's tongue, and they could not understand to speak in one tongue, and when the builder took from the hands of his neighbor lime or stone which he did not order, the builder would cast it away and throw it upon his neighbor, that he would die.
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And they did so many days, and they killed many of them in this manner.
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And the Lord smote the three divisions that were there, and he punished them according to their works and designs; those who said, We will ascend to heaven and serve our gods, became like apes and elephants; and those who said, We will smite the heaven with arrows, the Lord killed them, one man through the hand of his neighbor; and the third division of those who said, We will ascend to heaven and fight against him, the Lord scattered them throughout the earth.
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And those who were left amongst them, when they knew and understood the evil which was coming upon them, they forsook the building, and they also became scattered upon the face of the whole earth.
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And they ceased building the city and the tower; therefore he called that place Babel, for there the Lord confounded the Language of the whole earth; behold it was at the east of the land of Shinar.
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And as to the tower which the sons of men built, the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up one third part thereof, and a fire also descended from heaven and burned another third, and the other third is left to this day, and it is of that part which was aloft, and its circumference is three days' walk.
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And many of the sons of men died in that tower, a people without number.
Chapter 10

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And Peleg the son of Eber died in those days, in the forty-eighth year of the life of Abram son of Terah, and all the days of Peleg were two hundred and thirty-nine years.
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And when the Lord had scattered the sons of men on account of their sin at the tower, behold they spread forth into many divisions, and all the sons of men were dispersed into the four corners of the earth.
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And all the families became each according to its language, its land, or its city.
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And the sons of men built many cities according to their families, in all the places where they went, and throughout the earth where the Lord had scattered them.
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And some of them built cities in places from which they were afterward extirpated, and they called these cities after their own names, or the names of their children, or after their particular occurrences.

Jasher Chapter 7 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887
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These are the generations of Shem; Shem begat Arpachshad and Arpachshad begat Shelach, and Shelach begat Eber and to Eber were born two children, the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the sons of men were divided, and in the latter days, the earth was divided.
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And the name of the second was Yoktan, meaning that in his day the lives of the sons of men were diminished and lessened.

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Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Ecc 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
Luk 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

yeshuasavedme said:

Noah was white, Japheth was white, Shem was red -dark bronzed red- and Ham was black. There is no reason that their mothers, who were sisters, were also not of various colors or shadings of skin, as Noah's wife would have also been.

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How exactly could Noah give birth to Ham who you are saying was black and Japheth who was white? So Noah (a white man, which you even agree) gave birth to a black african? How do white people give birth to black africans? Are you even being serious?

In Enoch's dream visions, given him in totemic imagery of the history of the tribes of Adam until the regeneraton of all things, we learn that the three sons of Noah were three colors, like in the beginning, as Enoch records: Cain/black, Abel/red, and Seth/white also, who married sisters who were equally likely equally varied in colors.

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Enoch's dream describes the colour of cattle or bulls, not the descendants of Noah or Adam.

Secondly you need to explain how Noah's children were three colours. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Lastly, the Bible opposes intermarriage - so your fantasies of Noah having a multiracial family is clearly contradicted by scripture.

''Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons''
- Deuteronomy 7: 3

There is no such thing as different human being "races" in the Word of God, only different tongues [all confounded from the one mother tongue]. There are different tribes even in the same tongues, and different "gods" to different tribes, other than the One True God.
YHWH never commanded His people to not marry women of the different tribes, but to not intermarry with tribes who had different gods than YHWH, but marrying a woman from any of the tribes was not forbidden.

Moses married a black Ethiopian queen, a black woman descended from Cush, before he came to Midian and later married Zipporah, a Midianite woman born of Abraham and Keturah's descendants [Keturah was a Canaanite, descended from Ham], through Midian.
Miriam was jealous for Moses having married the Ethiopian woman, and spoke against Moses and was disciplined with leprosy in her skin, for one week, so as to learn her lesson.
Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

Ethiopians were mainly black, by the time of Moses, which was about five hundred years after the tower of Babel fell and tribes began to separate by tongues.

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? [then] may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.


Rahab, a canaanite woman, was married to an Israelite, Salmon, and became the great grandmother of King David and in the line of ancestors of Mary, out of whom the Messiah was born into the human race of the second creation.

Abraham married a black Egyptian woman, Hagar, who was given to his wife, Sarah, to be a handmaid, amd given as a gift, by her father, the Pharaoh of Egypt, when he gave Sarah back to Abraham [The Book of Jasher].
Joseph married a black Egyptian woman, when he was installed as a king, second under Pharaoh, over Egypt. Less than two hundred years before Joseph married the black Egyptian woman, the Egyptians who counseled the Pharaoh remarked to the Pharaoh about the whiteness of Sarah's skin, and the smoothness of her hair, after which he took her from Abraham -as I posted the link from the Genesis Apocryphon which tells this, already.

Naomi's two sons married Moabite women, and one of them married Baoz, and became the ancestor of Jesus' line.


King David was a dark skinned red/אַדְמֹנִי man, with black hair.
from אַדְמֹנִי -to be red, red

Deu 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, Deu 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Deu 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; Deu 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. לָבָן/Laban = "white"


. Jos 6:25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel [even] unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.
Lots of Canaanite women were married to the sons of Jacob.
Jasher Chapter 45 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887

Research1 said:

How exactly could Noah give birth to Ham who you are saying was black and Japheth who was white? So Noah (a white man, which you even agree) gave birth to a black african?

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Listen, let this sink into your ears! Ham was not an "African". Africa was not the home of Noah and his three sons! They were from the middle east, and after the flood, they came out of the Ark on the mountains of Ararat.

Research1 said:

Lastly, the Bible opposes intermarriage - so your fantasies of Noah having a multiracial family is clearly contradicted by scripture.

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You need to be banned for your racist dogma!
There was no such thing as a ban on marrying any human being in the Word of God, only on the Israelites not taking heathen wives and giving their daughters to heathens in marriage.
There is only one human being race, and God did not ever, ever, say to not marry any one of any different color than they were.
Eve was black, Cain black, Adam white, Seth white, Abel red.
All the one race of Adam comes from multicolored parents.
The book of Enoch states the colors of Noah's three sons, and of Noah, but the mothers were more than likely multi-colored, also, because there was no separation of the tribes and isolation of genes at that time.

Moses married an Ethiopian woman -a descendant of Cush.
Joseph married an Egyptian woman, of Ham's son, Egypt.
Several of Jacob's sons married Canaanite women, dark women, but then, Shem was a dark red, too -so?

The Olmecs are claimed by some to be from Africa, but the historical connection is to black Chinese. Yes! There were black Chinese! -And Nebuchadnezzar ruled the Olmec kings, the Word of God says so, in Daniel 2, and 4. He ruled the Chinese kings and the Australian kings and every land inhabited by man, beast, or fowl: -The Bible says so!
Stop your racist rants!
You are anti-biblical with them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKo9mUeIueM&feature=player_embedded#at=46

black parents have white baby -not albino.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uvUZbUwOiA&feature=related