Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[ShieldOFaith]

Even if we were all to agree on the validity or need for capital punishment, your implementation of it would still find opposition in the majority of right-thinking humans.

You are proposing capital punishment not for crimes but for sins. You are proposing a punishment for a sin.

Murder is depriving someone of their life. It is a crime against a person and again society. Homosexuality is not a crime, it has no victims.

That is the difference between what you are proposing and what exists today.

You are proposing exacting biblical punishment upon people under the guise of law enforcement.

Syc, what you continually fail to see is that GOD is a real living knowing being. HE is the #1 being in and outside of the universe. HE makes the rules this universe is supposed to live by. HE makes the rules and we are to obey. If we fail to obey, bad things happen.

Homosexuality is vile because GOD says so. It does not matter if you do not like that fact. HE does not care if you like His laws or not. HE does not take polls or surveys. HE is not running for office.

HE does not need to be like our politicians who will bend with what ever wind blows the right direction for votes.

NO!!!

GOD does not double speak. HE says exactly what HE wants to say and you deal with it.

HE makes the laws and you obey or else. Fin.

He does not bend the rules for homosexuals. He has already said very very clearly that HE hates that SIN!!! HE has warranted the death penalty for this vile sin.

So, if a nation, any nation, wanted to execute a man or woman for the SIN of homosexuality; they would be justified in the sight of God.

Now, with that said, I understand how foreign that sounds to a modern day American. We are force fed homosexual propaganda 24/7 365 in this country. Will & Grace, Ellen DeGeneres, Queer Eye For The Straight Guy, Six Feet Under, Larry and Chuck...ect. ect...

This kind of filth would never have existed in Moses' day. Heck, it didn't exist in this nation 50 years ago. Sad.

So, at any rate, the sin of homosexuality does have a warrant of Capital Punishment upon it. If a nation declares it a crime worthy of Capital Punishment, and so chooses to execute a man or woman for this crime; they are justified in the sight of GOD. It is that simple.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

 

[mpok1519]

"Now, with that said, I understand how foreign that sounds to a modern day American. We are force fed homosexual propaganda 24/7 365 in this country. Will & Grace, Ellen DeGeneres, Queer Eye For The Straight Guy, Six Feet Under, Larry and Chuck...ect. ect..."'


You watch way too much TV if all of that aggravates you to a point of dillusion.

 

[reverend B]

kill the molluck eaters!!!! death to them, they are an abomination!!!!!! eat clams at your own risk of eternal hellfire!!!!!

sof still thinks he is colonel kurtz from "apocalypse now" and thinks that being brutal and cruel is the only way successfully influence a society or the world. he forgets that kurtz went completely insane and would not be at peace until he was killed by the "errand boy". kurtz committed suicide, because the world was horrible, and the only way to deal with horror was with greater horror, or so he thought.
get help before you decide this is your only avenue out of the horror this world admittedly displays. you can not be the only right thinking Christian, can you, sof? that is the thinking of a crazy person. seek the help of a pastor. copy the last three weeks of your postings and bring them with you and have a real conference with some clergy. you need saving, sof, and we on here are all praying for you.

 

[Gremlins]

Syc, what you continually fail to see is that GOD is a real living knowing being. HE is the #1 being in and outside of the universe. HE makes the rules this universe is supposed to live by. HE makes the rules and we are to obey. If we fail to obey, bad things happen.

Homosexuality is vile because GOD says so. It does not matter if you do not like that fact. HE does not care if you like His laws or not. HE does not take polls or surveys. HE is not running for office.

No one's making YOU become a homosexual. Jeus says pretty bluntly that our relationship with God is on a personal, not national, level. I personally don't approve of homosexuality, but I'm not going to go around forcing my beliefs on everyone else. Understand?

He does not bend the rules for homosexuals. He has already said very very clearly that HE hates that SIN!!! HE has warranted the death penalty for this vile sin.

Look at FG's list. Homosexuality isn't on there.

Now, with that said, I understand how foreign that sounds to a modern day American. We are force fed homosexual propaganda 24/7 365 in this country. Will & Grace, Ellen DeGeneres, Queer Eye For The Straight Guy, Six Feet Under, Larry and Chuck...ect. ect...

What you see on TV is a *reflection* of society's acceptance of Homosexuality. It's not the other way around.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

BISM-ILLAH IR-RAHMAN IR-RAHIM! See what I did there?

 

[mpok1519]

God does not warrant death for sin.

If a person lies they are not to be put to death.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

kill the molluck eaters!!!! death to them, they are an abomination!!!!!! eat clams at your own risk of eternal hellfire!!!!!

sof still thinks he is colonel kurtz from "apocalypse now" and thinks that being brutal and cruel is the only way successfully influence a society or the world. he forgets that kurtz went completely insane and would not be at peace until he was killed by the "errand boy". kurtz committed suicide, because the world was horrible, and the only way to deal with horror was with greater horror, or so he thought.
get help before you decide this is your only avenue out of the horror this world admittedly displays. you can not be the only right thinking Christian, can you, sof? that is the thinking of a crazy person. seek the help of a pastor. copy the last three weeks of your postings and bring them with you and have a real conference with some clergy. you need saving, sof, and we on here are all praying for you.

I am already saved. I am perfectly fine, emotionally, physically, spiritually. I love God, and He loves me.

I just happen to understand the Word of God. You fail to understand that the Word of God speaks very clearly on the subject of Capital Punishment. You also fail miserably to understand that GOD Himself has killed many human beings because of sins like homosexuality. Read the Book of Genesis. Read about a place called Sodom.

Your little rant about me means absolutely nothing. If I brang my posts over the last three weeks to any true Bible believing pastor he'd agree with me. He would understand that the Bible is very clear on the subject of Capital Punishment.

Remember, I have graduated from Bible College. I have studied the Word of God very intensely. That is why I can assure you that GOD has established governments and has given them the right and duty of carrying out Capital Punishment.

It is not that difficult to find this subject in the Bible.

Here's a hint. Read the first 5 books and then read Romans.

You will probably understand this then.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

 

[Sycophant]

Syc, what you continually fail to see is that GOD is a real living knowing being. HE is the #1 being in and outside of the universe. HE makes the rules this universe is supposed to live by. HE makes the rules and we are to obey. If we fail to obey, bad things happen.

No. He makes the laws his believers are supposed to obey.

That said, god's laws are also all equal I believe, so as long as anyone in the world is lying or lusting there the rules are not being obeyed. It's clear that man cannot be without sin, it's for that reason that Jesus came to earth and died for all the sins of those who follow him. God was aware that people cannot live without sin (that seems clear in much of the bible)...

Homosexuality is vile because GOD says so. It does not matter if you do not like that fact. HE does not care if you like His laws or not. HE does not take polls or surveys. HE is not running for office.

I don't really care what god says about homosexuals. But that's not the issue here.

He does not bend the rules for homosexuals. He has already said very very clearly that HE hates that SIN!!! HE has warranted the death penalty for this vile sin.

And you hate the sinner.

So, if a nation, any nation, wanted to execute a man or woman for the SIN of homosexuality; they would be justified in the sight of God.

And if a nation, backed by their own religious teachings, were to execute people for the sin of being a Christian, would that be okay with you?

Now, with that said, I understand how foreign that sounds to a modern day American. We are force fed homosexual propaganda 24/7 365 in this country. Will & Grace, Ellen DeGeneres, Queer Eye For The Straight Guy, Six Feet Under, Larry and Chuck...ect. ect...

It sounds foreign to any modern day person. You can think whatever you want about homosexuality - but very few people would be happy with the idea of killing them, Christian or otherwise, and Will & Grace or not.

So, at any rate, the sin of homosexuality does have a warrant of Capital Punishment upon it. If a nation declares it a crime worthy of Capital Punishment, and so chooses to execute a man or woman for this crime; they are justified in the sight of GOD. It is that simple.

If god wants homosexuals dead, he can do it himself. He doesn't need man to do it.

If I declare jaywalking a crime worthy of death in my country would that be okay with you? What about if I institute a strong population limitation population and enforce abortions in cases of unlicensed pregnancy?

Can you address the many biblical references posted that say it is not man's place to exact punishment for these sins?

And how come you are willing to call abortion murder when it is legal, therefore not murder.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

God does not warrant death for sin.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death. 11 The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death. They have committed perversion. Their blood shall be upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. --Leviticus 20

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. --Romans 13[/FONT]
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You were saying...??? What?

Maybe if you read the Bible you wouldn't make these kinds of statements that have no merit.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. --2 Timothy 2

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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[Blackguard_]

You will probably understand this then.

Yes, we understand. You are a Judaizer(you would have fit in very well during the Maccabean revolt), and missed the point of the Gospel.

Even the athiests like sychophant get the point, why is it so hard for you to get?

 

[mpok1519]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death. 11 The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death. They have committed perversion. Their blood shall be upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. --Leviticus 20

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. --Romans 13[/FONT]
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You were saying...??? What?

Maybe if you read the Bible you wouldn't make these kinds of statements that have no merit.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. --2 Timothy 2

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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"Let he who is without sin throw the first rock."

You were saying, what now?

Oh yeah, you were spewing some more toxic disease. How could I forget.....


Youre insane and psychologically unstable. Print what you're saying and post it in your church. I dare you. You'll be kicked out for blasphemy because you're acting more animal than human.

Again, I ask you to repent.

Also, you havnt answered my question.....if God appoints people into power, how come he appoints pro-choicers into the supreme court?

you're a threat to yourself and no one else. Satan laughs as you do his work.

 

[Sycophant]

You also fail miserably to understand that GOD Himself has killed many human beings because of sins like homosexuality. Read the Book of Genesis. Read about a place called Sodom.

God did it himself. He didn't have the his people enact laws to allow them to exact this punishment themselves.

Your little rant about me means absolutely nothing. If I brang my posts over the last three weeks to any true Bible believing pastor he'd agree with me. He would understand that the Bible is very clear on the subject of Capital Punishment.

Please do. Really. Please do. Find a Pastor (or more specifically, any Pastor) and get them to come here and tell us what they think about all this. Fred Phelps doesn't count.

And actually while we're at it - I'm curious to know your thoughts about Phelps, his Westboro church and their activities.

Also, I want to propose a scenario... In this nation, where homosexuality is a sin, would you be willing to execute your nephew if he were to be gay? What about your daughter?

Would the parents of those killed for being gay still be as accepting of your policy of capital punishment for arbitrary sins against god?

 

[Blackguard_]

"Let he who is without sin throw the first rock."

You were saying, what now?

We went over this already. Jesus was only talking about inter-personal relationships, not relationships with the State. As we all know, the State is not just a person or collection of persons.

 

[mpok1519]

We went over this already. Jesus was only talking about inter-personal relationships, not relationships with the State. As we all know, the State is not just a person or collection of persons.

well, some people dont see it like that I suppose.

 

[reverend B]

I am already saved. I am perfectly fine, emotionally, physically, spiritually. I love God, and He loves me.

He does love you. i am anxious for you to meet Him. He is nothing like the impostor who has a hold of you.

I just happen to understand the Word of God. You fail to understand that the Word of God speaks very clearly on the subject of Capital Punishment. You also fail miserably to understand that GOD Himself has killed many human beings because of sins like homosexuality.

let's assume the literal reading of scripture you have adopted is true. the fact that God killed men doesn't give you license to do the same. "vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord." it is His, not yours.

Read the Book of Genesis. Read about a place called Sodom.

i am an ordained minister. i have glanced at that text.

Your little rant about me means absolutely nothing. If I brang my posts over the last three weeks to any true Bible believing pastor he'd agree with me. He would understand that the Bible is very clear on the subject of Capital Punishment.

then have the courage to do it. if you are perfect in your understanding, you have nothing to fear.

Remember, I have graduated from Bible College. I have studied the Word of God very intensely. That is why I can assure you that GOD has established governments and has given them the right and duty of carrying out Capital Punishment.

and Jesus came to show us the glorious results of putting the power of life and death in the hands of men.

It is not that difficult to find this subject in the Bible.

Here's a hint. Read the first 5 books and then read Romans.

You will probably understand this then.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

i have read it all, many times. we still pray for you. what you have seen in kurtz you have adopted as a worldview. try Christ. His is a worldview also. they do not reflect each other at all.

 

[Blackguard_]

well, some people dont see it like that I suppose

I think it's clear Shield of Faith in the Noose is just rationalizing his mercilessness and hate with that view. Even he knows he can't justify say, going to San Fransciso and shooting up the Castro himself, but he can rationalize the State fitting gays for a hemp necktie.

 

[mpok1519]

I think it's clear Shield of Faith in the Noose is just rationalizing his mercilessness and hate with that view. Even he knows he can't justify say, going to San Fransciso and shooting up the Castro himself, but he can rationalize the State fitting gays for a hemp necktie.

but hes USING God to do it.

the opposite of love is not hate, but use. but using something is worse than hating it. hes exhibiting natures more malicious than those who hate religion itself. thats scary

 

[tulc]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] Maybe if you read the Bible you wouldn't make these kinds of statements that have no merit.[/FONT]

edited because it seemed a little cranky.
tulc(there's been enough cranky I think)

 

[TheReasoner]

but hes USING God to do it.

Just like Hitler.

 

[reverend B]

edited because it seemed a little cranky.
tulc(there's been enough cranky I think)

besides, tulc, you just don't "do" cranky well. it's not in you.

i am an unabashed lover of TULC!

 

[ShieldOFaith]

"Let he who is without sin throw the first rock."

You were saying, what now?

Oh yeah, you were spewing some more toxic disease. How could I forget.....


Youre insane and psychologically unstable. Print what you're saying and post it in your church. I dare you. You'll be kicked out for blasphemy because you're acting more animal than human.

Again, I ask you to repent.

Also, you havnt answered my question.....if God appoints people into power, how come he appoints pro-choicers into the supreme court?

you're a threat to yourself and no one else. Satan laughs as you do his work.

Your little pathetic quip about my being insane makes you look really foolish. You should stop while your ahead. Seriously.

1. You have no idea about what cast the first stone even means. You do not know the context of what is happening. If you did, you would have never used that Scripture as an argument against what I am saying.

2. You are calling me all kinds of names like psychopath and animal, and then you tell me to repent? You call yourself a follower of Messiah Yeshua? Hummm.....

3. You like so many others here are terribly confused. You can not get the simple concept of inter-personal relationships, and an acting government separated in your mind. I don't understand why you have such a hard time with such a SIMPLE concept.

Let me help you.

A. There is this thing called INTER-PERSONAL relationships. An inter-personal relationship is where two individual human beings talk and participate in a relationship with each other. They do such things as talk together, walk together, and dine with each other. This is not a new thing. This has been around since Adam and Eve.

B. There is this thing called Government. Here, let's let the dictionary help you here:

1.the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc.; political administration: Government is necessary to the existence of civilized society. 2.the form or system of rule by which a state, community, etc., is governed: monarchical government; episcopal government. 3.the governing body of persons in a state, community, etc.; administration. 4.a branch or service of the supreme authority of a state or nation, taken as representing the whole: a dam built by the government. 5.(in some parliamentary systems, as that of the United Kingdom) a.the particular group of persons forming the cabinet at any given time: The Prime Minister has formed a new government. b.the parliament along with the cabinet: The government has fallen. 6.direction; control; management; rule: the government of one's conduct. 7.a district governed; province.
Now hopefully you can understand the difference between the TWO.

IF <===, and that is a big 'IF'. If you can understand the difference between an inter-personal relationship and the Government, then you can read the BIBLE with clarity and understand passages like Leviticus 20 and Romans 13. Then you will understand that what I am saying is 100% correct.

If there were a brand new Government called the New C.S.A., or The Land of Christian Truth, or The Happy New Country, whatever the name; it would be a sovereign nation and would have the authority to exercise Capital Punishment. This also goes for already established governments, like the U. S. or France, ect.. They have the authority by God to exercise Capital Punishment if they so choose to.

***NOTE***

PRINT THIS POST AND TAKE IT TO YOUR PASTOR. IF YOU EVEN GO TO CHURCH. TAKE THIS POST TO YOUR PASTOR AND SEE IF HE DISAGREES WITH WHAT I AM SAYING. GO!!! GO NOW!!! DON'T WAIT! GO! GET GOING!!! GO! TAKE THIS POST AND SEE IF HE AGREES WITH THE ABOVE POST!

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? DON'T BE A COWARD! PUT ME TO THE TEST NOW!!! HIT THE PRINT BUTTON AND TAKE THIS POST TO YOUR PASTOR AND SEE IF HE DISAGREES.

P.S. DO NOT BE SURPRISED WHEN HE AGREES WITH ME.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.