Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

TheNewWorldMan · Mar 15, 2008

USMC4Life said:
Prove it.

All I'll say is that if the real God is a homicidal maniac like you and SoF seem to think he is, there's really not much hope for any of us. Imagine a universe with Hitler as God and Eichmann, Stalin, Goebbels, Pol Pot and Idi Amin as archangels, and you've got it about right.

Except you dont. There are people who have died and come back to tell about their experiences, and none have mentioned angels in trenchcoats carrying Lugers and Schmeissers.

ShieldOFaith · Mar 15, 2008

SallyNow said:
Let's forget that the very teachings of the New Testament are about forgiveness, are against capital punishment, are for joining hands with society's outcasts.

Once again you have bad doctrine. You have failed to read the New Testament all the way through, or you have failed to remember such passages as this:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread." 3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 5 But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God"-- 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.' Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' " --Matthew 15[/FONT]

Referring to this passage in Ex.
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]17 "And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. --Exodus 21

JESUS is reaffirming the death penalty for wicked children. You can't get away from it. HE SAID IT!!! IT IS THE 1ST BOOK IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!!!

JESUS CHRIST just reaffirmed capital punishment for wicked children. There is absolutely nothing you can do or say that will erase or change that. You are now stuck. Your words have come up against JESUS CHRISTS' Words and your words are contradicting His. Which means that you are wrong. It can never be the other way around.

When your words run up against JESUS' Words, your words lose every time.

You can hate me all you want. You can hate what I say all you want. What you CAN'T do is over-rule GODS WORD.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread." 3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 5 But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God"-- 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.' Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "

The rebuke of JESUS against those who were trying to nullify GODS WORD, stands eternally true and holy. There is nothing that any liberal can do against it. There is nothing that any conservative can do against it.

***Now I know that you will not comment on this passage of Scripture. I know that you will dismiss this portion of GODS HOLY WORD. And again you will be wrong in doing so.

SOLA GRATIA. (Grace Alone)
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TheNewWorldMan · Mar 15, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
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SOLA GRATIA. (Grace Alone)
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Aufmerksamkeit, Gefangene! Diese Weise zu den Duschen und zum Delousing!

That's where the "grace" of SoF's "God" gets you.

GrayCat · Mar 15, 2008

I've been reading a bit of this Thread. It is funny in places, disturbing in others...

A few Thoughts.

First of all, SOF - i believe you should calm down a little in your posts. Half the time you're yelling at people in capital letters.

Second, can you prove God actually "said" everything you're saying he's said? What language would he have said it in?

People physically wrote the bible, not God. And you weren't alive when God would have said the things that Christians believe inspired people to write the Bible. It's gone through countless translations over time. I don't know of any "oldest, original, correct Biblical text".

Therefore, how do you know your version of the bible is the only right one?

And most important perhaps: Is there an objective reason, outside of your personal beliefs, for Why should society be based off of it? What if people disagreed with that premise and didn't follow the Biblical laws in this fictitious society, what would happen to them?

And last, How do you reconcile the commandment "thou shalt not kill" with the proposal that criminals, homosexuals, etc be killed? Because they've "sinned" they should be killed? Well in Christian belief as i'm aware, everyone sins and there is not a heirarchy of sins. And also in Christian belief, very few other Christian's i've met proclaim to say that someone should be killed because of something they believe is a sin.

I am not Christian so please help me to understand the killing in relation to sin thing that i saw in some parts of this Thread.

mpok1519 · Mar 15, 2008

USMC4Life said:
So tired of ignorant people who bring this up time after time, your only goal is to find something you don't like and have no intention of truly understanding what it even says. You probably don't even know what it is called so you use the desciption. The name for it is Yibbum. The wife and the brother of the husband can do Halizah to avoid marrying each other.

what if the brother wants to marry, but the wife does not?

You said "they" can do Hazilah; what if one wants to , and the other, does not?

The man usually gets what he wants though. Which isn't fair.

I don't think SoF even knows about Hazilah though.

DrStrangelove · Mar 15, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Here is my GOD, who happens to be the True and Living GOD. He is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Here are His Words:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]14 'But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments, 15 and if you despise My statutes, or if your soul abhors My judgments, so that you do not perform all My commandments, but break My covenant, 16 I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 I will set My face against you, and you shall be defeated by your enemies. Those who hate you shall reign over you, and you shall flee when no one pursues you. 18 'And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. 19 I will break the pride of your power; I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit. 21 'Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins. 22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate. 23 'And if by these things you are not reformed by Me, but walk contrary to Me, 24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I will punish you yet seven times for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword against you that will execute the vengeance of the covenant; when you are gathered together within your cities I will send pestilence among you; and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 When I have cut off your supply of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall bring back your bread by weight, and you shall eat and not be satisfied. 27 'And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me, 28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. 29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols; and My soul shall abhor you. --Lev. 26[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]OUCH! [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]But wait!!! Hold on!!! Oh no!!![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]I know right now you are saying,"This is not John 3:16, oh my! This can't be the Bible, because it doesn't sound like John 3:16. I can't believe GOD would say something like this. It doesn't sound like the weak watered down version of the Bible that I know!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Once again, you really should read the WHOLE COUNCIL of GOD.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA GRATIA.[/FONT]

You pick and chose your passages to distort the Judeo-Christian god into a creature that makes Hitler look like a catholic school girl. You totally ignore the concept of forgiveness. I'm not a christian, I don't do self-denial, but I know what the God of Abraham is, and I've a good idea of who Jesus was(be he lord, liar or loon) and he was a decent guy. You cannot forgive through death.

But time for a joke.

Your god died nailed to a cross.
My god carries a hammer.
Any questions?

(surely the more light-hearted christians can catch the humor in this. It isn't bad to laugh at your savior, he's supposed to make you happy..right?)

Blackguard_ · Mar 15, 2008

nevermind.

IzzyPop · Mar 15, 2008

USMC4Life said:
Prove it.

Prove anything about God.

Nathan Poe · Mar 15, 2008

I would still like to know how hanging unbelievers, disobedient children, and people who work on Saturdays is conducive to a kind, loving, Christian state.

Nathan Poe · Mar 15, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Once again, you really should read the WHOLE COUNCIL of GOD.[/FONT]

You're the one ignoring most of the Bible, Shield -- if you don't have the backbone to execute everybody whom God wants killed in His name, why should we take you seriously?

Nathan Poe · Mar 15, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]17 "And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. --Exodus 21[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 5 But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God"-- 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.' Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' " --Matthew 15[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Jesus is reaffirming the death penalty for delinquent children. He is rebuking men for trying to destroy GODS Word and making it null and void.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the Word of GOD.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA SCRIPTURA.[/FONT]

So, in the name of God, your nation would hang children.

Nathan Poe · Mar 15, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
You are a pagan. I don't expect you to agree with anything that GOD has to say.

SOLA FIDE.

He is a Pagan. I expect him to hang from a lamppost in your C.S.A.

GOTT MITT UNS.

Nathan Poe · Mar 15, 2008

mpok1519 said:
what if the brother wants to marry, but the wife does not?

You said "they" can do Hazilah; what if one wants to , and the other, does not?

The man usually gets what he wants though. Which isn't fair.

I don't think SoF even knows about Hazilah though.

Who needs Hazilah when you've got rope?

ShieldOFaith · Mar 16, 2008

DrStrangelove said:
You pick and chose your passages to distort the Judeo-Christian god into a creature that makes Hitler look like a catholic school girl. You totally ignore the concept of forgiveness. I'm not a christian, I don't do self-denial, but I know what the God of Abraham is, and I've a good idea of who Jesus was(be he lord, liar or loon) and he was a decent guy. You cannot forgive through death.

But time for a joke.

Your god died nailed to a cross.
My god carries a hammer.
Any questions?

(surely the more light-hearted christians can catch the humor in this. It isn't bad to laugh at your savior, he's supposed to make you happy..right?)

1. You can forgive before death. There has always been time given to prisoners to repent before they are executed.

2. You can not create terror in criminals by forgiving them. Look:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. --Romans 13

You say your god is supposed to be some kind of tough guy? Ok.

The GOD of Abraham is a Terror to those who do evil.

Here is a couple of highlights of His wrath:

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. --Genesis 7[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]27 So they got away from around the tents of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram; and Dathan and Abiram came out and stood at the door of their tents, with their wives, their sons, and their little children. 28 And Moses said: "By this you shall know that the Lord has sent me to do all these works, for I have not done them of my own will. 29 If these men die naturally like all men, or if they are visited by the common fate of all men, then the Lord has not sent me. 30 But if the Lord creates a new thing, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into the pit, then you will understand that these men have rejected the Lord." 31 Now it came to pass, as he finished speaking all these words, that the ground split apart under them, 32 and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the men with Korah, with all their goods. 33 So they and all those with them went down alive into the pit; the earth closed over them, and they perished from among the assembly. 34 Then all Israel who were around them fled at their cry, for they said, "Lest the earth swallow us up also!" [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 35 And a fire came out from the Lord and consumed the two hundred and fifty men who were offering incense. --Numbers 16[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The GOD of Abraham wins! HE is the True and Living GOD.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Your joke was weak.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA GRATIA.
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ReverendDG · Mar 16, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Once again you have bad doctrine. You have failed to read the New Testament all the way through, or you have failed to remember such passages as this:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread." 3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 5 But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God"-- 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.' Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' " --Matthew 15[/FONT]

Referring to this passage in Ex.
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]17 "And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. --Exodus 21

JESUS is reaffirming the death penalty for wicked children. You can't get away from it. HE SAID IT!!! IT IS THE 1ST BOOK IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!!![/FONT]

where did he reaffirm the death penalty? you are twisting what jesus said.
jesus is condemning the pharisees for being hypocrites about gods law!
the leaders condemn the disciples for doing something they consider a violation of the law, but they in turn violate the law by not killing a child who curses their parents.
seriously SoF you are stretching this in insane ways
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]JESUS CHRIST just reaffirmed capital punishment for wicked children. There is absolutely nothing you can do or say that will erase or change that. You are now stuck. Your words have come up against JESUS CHRISTS' Words and your words are contradicting His. Which means that you are wrong. It can never be the other way around.[/FONT]

you are wrong, your interpretations of jesus's words are wrong! you have a sick interpretation of what jesus was talking about.
doesn't it say that jesus said not to harm children? and to be like them?
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] When your words run up against JESUS' Words, your words lose every time.[/FONT]

they aren't jesuses words, they are your own claimed to be his, you sick false prophet
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] You can hate me all you want. You can hate what I say all you want. What you CAN'T do is over-rule GODS WORD.[/FONT]

i think god will judge you for the twisted nature of your thoughts and actions, i think you are sick and need help
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] The rebuke of JESUS against those who were trying to nullify GODS WORD, stands eternally true and holy. There is nothing that any liberal can do against it. There is nothing that any conservative can do against it.[/FONT]

yes and you seem just as lost as the pharisees are, or do you not know jesus was talking about hypocrisy?

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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] ***Now I know that you will not comment on this passage of Scripture. I know that you will dismiss this portion of GODS HOLY WORD. And again you will be wrong in doing so.
SOLA GRATIA. (Grace Alone)
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you don't even seem to be reading the words, you just seem to make it up as you go along.
i thought JESUS was the word? or do you worship a book?

Wednesday · Mar 16, 2008

(No offence to normal Christians)

ShieldOFaith · Mar 16, 2008

ReverendDG said:
where did he reaffirm the death penalty? you are twisting what jesus said.
jesus is condemning the pharisees for being hypocrites about gods law!
the leaders condemn the disciples for doing something they consider a violation of the law, but they in turn violate the law by not killing a child who curses their parents.
seriously SoF you are stretching this in insane ways
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you are wrong, your interpretations of jesus's words are wrong! you have a sick interpretation of what jesus was talking about.
doesn't it say that jesus said not to harm children? and to be like them?
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they aren't jesuses words, they are your own claimed to be his, you sick false prophet
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i think god will judge you for the twisted nature of your thoughts and actions, i think you are sick and need help
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yes and you seem just as lost as the pharisees are, or do you not know jesus was talking about hypocrisy?

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you don't even seem to be reading the words, you just seem to make it up as you go along.
i thought JESUS was the word? or do you worship a book?

I could break down your argument fairly quickly; however, since you've already threatened me with your open flames; I don't think I should even be speaking with you. You seem a little too over protective of your title of "Reverend".

If you give me the go ahead to break down your argument, I will. Until then....

SOLA GRATIA.

ShieldOFaith · Mar 16, 2008

Wednesday said:
(No offence to normal Christians)

Pathetic.

I never once said anything about "Secret Prisons", "Alternative Interrogations", or "Warrantless Spying". Weak.

Read and understand:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. --Romans 13

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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Blackguard_ · Mar 16, 2008

Pathetic.

Shield of Faith in the Noose is part right on this.

Not every bloodthirsty tyrannical paranoia regime is fascist.

For example, were the Jacobins fascist?

Wednesday · Mar 16, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Pathetic.

Did I hurt your feelings

I never once said anything about "Secret Prisons", "Alternative Interrogations", or "Warrantless Spying".

You don't have to say anything. You stated everything that basically defines facism and dictatorship. That's enough for me to assume that Secret Prisons and other methods of total control is what you have in mind

Weak.

You are funny, you really are like a spoiled child off his meds.

Have you considered moving to Iran, you'd love it there

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