Covenants

[Brotherbrown]

COVENANTS TWO COVENANTS(TESTAMENTS)
Gal 4:22-24
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise,
24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar--
Gal 4:28-5:4
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
CHAPTER 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Heb 8:6-7
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 7:18-19
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Heb 7:22
22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
Heb 9:15-17
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
Heb 10:9-10
9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Luke 16:16
16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
(NKJ)
Matt 11:12-13
12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
2 Cor 3:11-17
11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech--
13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away.
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Gal 4:19-21
19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you,
20 I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Gal 4:25-26
25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children--
26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27
27 For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, you who do not bear! Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children than she who has a husband."
Gal 3:20-23
20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Gal 4:6-7
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 3:12
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
Gal 3:15
15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man's covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it.
Gal 3:17-18
17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.
18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Acts 13:39
39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Luke 22:35-36
35 And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing."
36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
Rom 8:13
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith;
31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
James 2:10
10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Heb 9:22
22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
(NKJ)
xxxx There are two covenants(testaments). Just as Abraham had to send one son away so we have to send one covenant away. You cant let them grow together inside you. One or the other not both.

 

[tyyppi13]

good

 

[tyyppi13]

ok

 

[heymikey80]

A Question.

Did God intend the covenant Jerusalem found herself in, to be the covenant with Hagar?

Or did Jerusalem fall into that covenant through her straying from the covenant with Isaac?

 

[Jerrysch]

COVENANTS TWO COVENANTS(TESTAMENTS)
Gal 4:22-24
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise,
24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar--
Gal 4:28-5:4
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
CHAPTER 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Heb 8:6-7
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 7:18-19
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Heb 7:22
22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
Heb 9:15-17
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
Heb 10:9-10
9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Luke 16:16
16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
(NKJ)
Matt 11:12-13
12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
2 Cor 3:11-17
11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech--
13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away.
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Gal 4:19-21
19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you,
20 I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Gal 4:25-26
25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children--
26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27
27 For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, you who do not bear! Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children than she who has a husband."
Gal 3:20-23
20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Gal 4:6-7
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 3:12
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
Gal 3:15
15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man's covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it.
Gal 3:17-18
17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.
18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Acts 13:39
39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Luke 22:35-36
35 And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing."
36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
Rom 8:13
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith;
31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
James 2:10
10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Heb 9:22
22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
(NKJ)
xxxx There are two covenants(testaments). Just as Abraham had to send one son away so we have to send one covenant away. You cant let them grow together inside you. One or the other not both.

There are more than two covenants. We don't "send" a covenant away. A covenant is an agreement between two parties, how do you send an agreement away?
But let's find some learning here... where does the Scriptures first speak of a covenant between God and anyone? Might that be the first covenant? Where is this found?

 

[katholikos]

...xxxx There are two covenants(testaments). Just as Abraham had to send one son away so we have to send one covenant away. You cant let them grow together inside you. One or the other not both.

There are six covenants. The biblical Covenants are:

Adamic (the covenant God made with Adam),
Noahite (the covenant God made with Noah),
Abrahamic (the covenant God made with Abraham),
Mosaic (the covenant God made with Moses),
Davidic (the covenant God made with David),
and New (the covenant God in the person of Jesus made with the world)

Each successive covenant encompasses a larger and larger group of people: Two, then a family, then on and on up to the whole world. This is Gods plan, from the very beginning, of bringing more and more of the world back into his family. Thats what a covenant is: An entrance into a family.

 

[bbbbbbb]

There are six covenants. The biblical Covenants are:

Adamic (the covenant God made with Adam),
Noahite (the covenant God made with Noah),
Abrahamic (the covenant God made with Abraham),
Mosaic (the covenant God made with Moses),
Davidic (the covenant God made with David),
and New (the covenant God in the person of Jesus made with the world)

Each successive covenant encompasses a larger and larger group of people: Two, then a family, then on and on up to the whole world. This is Gods plan, from the very beginning, of bringing more and more of the world back into his family. Thats what a covenant is: An entrance into a family.

This is what Dictionary.com has to say about covenant -

cov·e·nant

/ˈkʌv

ə

nənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhv-uh-nuh

nt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.an agreement, usually formal, between two or more persons to do or not do something specified. 2.Law. an incidental clause in such an agreement. 3.Ecclesiastical. a solemn agreement between the members of a church to act together in harmony with the precepts of the gospel. 4.(initial capital letter

) History/Historical. a.National Covenant. b.Solemn League and Covenant. 5.Bible. a.the conditional promises made to humanity by God, as revealed in Scripture. b.the agreement between God and the ancient Israelites, in which God promised to protect them if they kept His law and were faithful to Him. 6.Law. a.a formal agreement of legal validity, esp. one under seal. b.an early English form of action in suits involving sealed contracts. 7.Covenant of the League of Nations. –verb (used without object) 8.to enter into a covenant. –verb (used with object) 9.to promise by covenant; pledge. 10.to stipulate.
[Origin: 1250–1300; ME < AF, OF, n. use of prp. of covenir < L conven&#299;re to come together, agree; see -ant

]

—Related formscov·e·nan·tal

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tl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhv-uh-nan-tl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, adjective

—Synonyms 1. treaty, pact, convention.



I do not see a thing there about entrance into a family and am quite perplexed as to where you find your definition. Please post your sources for us.

Thank you.

 

[katholikos]

Well, apparently that dictionary was not written by Jews 2000 years ago.

If you want to understand the true meaning of BIBLICAL "Covenant", you must understand what Jews - including Jesus - meant when they used the word.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Well, apparently that dictionary was not written by Jews 2000 years ago.

If you want to understand the true meaning of BIBLICAL "Covenant", you must understand what Jews - including Jesus - meant when they used the word.

I presume that you possess this understanding, apart from any standard dictionary or religious dictionary. If so, please provide the appropriate citations so we can properly understand its true meaning.

 

[katholikos]

.http://www.catholiccompany.com/catholic-gifts/8001281/Biblical-Theology-Covenant-Priesthood-CDs/

 

[RND]

The silence is deafening!

 

[katholikos]

According to Scott Hahn's book Rome Sweet Home, a key factor behind his conversion is his research on what he saw as the key to the Bible: the covenant. This is a sacred kinship bond that brought people into a family relationship. God established a series of covenants and the new covenant established by Jesus Christ is an establishment of a world-wide family. He believes that Jesus and the apostles used family based language to describe his work of salvation: God is Father, Christ is Son and the firstborn among brethren, heaven as a marriage feast, the Church is the spouse of God, Christians as children of God.

This new family, according to Hahn, is headed by Christ, and the Pope is his "prime minister" to whom he has given the keys of the kingdom, a process that he believes is also present in the Old Testament. Hahn tries to show that the Catholic Church, whose head is called "Holy Father", is the world-wide family described by the Bible and that the Protestant doctrines of sola fide and sola scriptura are not biblical because, in his view, the Bible stresses charity and works equally with faith for gaining salvation and points to the Church as the "pillar and the bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15).

 

[RND]

According to Scott Hahn's book Rome Sweet Home, a key factor behind his conversion is his research on what he saw as the key to the Bible: the covenant. This is a sacred kinship bond that brought people into a family relationship. God established a series of covenants and the new covenant established by Jesus Christ is an establishment of a world-wide family. He believes that Jesus and the apostles used family based language to describe his work of salvation: God is Father, Christ is Son and the firstborn among brethren, heaven as a marriage feast, the Church is the spouse of God, Christians as children of God.

This new family, according to Hahn, is headed by Christ, and the Pope is his "prime minister" to whom he has given the keys of the kingdom, a process that he believes is also present in the Old Testament. Hahn tries to show that the Catholic Church, whose head is called "Holy Father", is the world-wide family described by the Bible and that the Protestant doctrines of sola fide and sola scriptura are not biblical because, in his view, the Bible stresses charity and works equally with faith for gaining salvation and points to the Church as the "pillar and the bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15).

(From the Catholic Mirror of Sept. 2, 1893.)

Our attention has been called to the above subject in the past week by the receipt of a brochure of twenty-one pages published by the International Religious Liberty Association entitled, "Appeal and Remonstrance." embodying resolutions adopted by the General Conference of the Seventh-day Adventists (Feb. 24, 1893). The resolutions criticize and censure, with much acerbity, the action of the United States Congress, and of the Supreme Court, for invading the rights of the people by closing the World's Fair on Sunday.



The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation, "Seventh-day Adventists". Their cardinal principle consists in setting apart Saturday for the exclusive worship of God, in conformity with the positive command of God Himself, repeatedly reiterated in the sacred books of the Old and New Testaments, literally obeyed by the children of Israel for thousands of years to this day and endorsed by the teaching and practice of the Son of God whilst on earth.
Per contra, the Protestants of the world, the Adventists excepted, with the same Bible as their cherished and sole infallible teacher, by their practice, since their appearance in the sixteenth century, with the time honored practice of the Jewish people before their eyes have rejected the day named for His worship by God and assumed in apparent contradiction of His command, a day for His worship never once referred to for that purpose, in the pages of that Sacred Volume.



What Protestant pulpit does not ring almost every Sunday with loud and impassioned invectives against Sabbath violation? Who can forget the fanatical clamor of the Protestant ministers throughout the length and breadth of the land against opening the gates of the World's Fair on Sunday? The thousands of petitions, signed by millions, to save the Lord's Day from desecration? Surely, such general and widespread excitement and noisy remonstrance could not have existed without the strongest grounds for such animated protests.



And when quarters were assigned at the World's Fair to the various sects of Protestantism for the exhibition of articles, who can forget the emphatic expression of virtuous and conscientious indignation exhibited by our Presbyterian brethren, as soon as they learned of the decision of the Supreme Court not to interfere in the Sunday opening? The newspapers informed us that they flatly refused to utilize the space accorded them, or open their boxes, demanding the right to withdraw the articles, in rigid adherence to their principles, and thus decline all contact with the sacrilegious and Sabbath-breaking Exhibition.



Doubtless, our Calvinistic brethren deserved and shared the sympathy of all the other sects, who, however, lost the opportunity of posing as martyrs in vindication of the Sabbath observance.



They thus became "a spectacle to the world, to angels, and to men," although their Protestant brethren, who failed to share the monopoly, were uncharitably and enviously disposed to attribute their steadfast adherence to religious principle, to Pharisaical pride and dogged obstinacy.



Our purpose in throwing off this article, is to shed such light on this all important question (for were the Sabbath question to be removed from the Protestant pulpit, the sects would feel lost, and the preachers be deprived of their "Cheshire cheese".) that our readers may be able to comprehend the question in all its bearings, and thus reach a clear conviction.



The Christian world is, morally speaking, united on the question and practice of worshipping God on the first day of the week.



The Israelites, scattered all over the earth, keep the last day of the week sacred to the worship of the Deity. In this particular, the Seventh-day Adventists (a sect of Christians numerically few) have also selected the same day.

is headed by Christ, and the Pope is his "prime minister"

 

[bbbbbbb]

According to Scott Hahn's book Rome Sweet Home, a key factor behind his conversion is his research on what he saw as the key to the Bible: the covenant. This is a sacred kinship bond that brought people into a family relationship. God established a series of covenants and the new covenant established by Jesus Christ is an establishment of a world-wide family. He believes that Jesus and the apostles used family based language to describe his work of salvation: God is Father, Christ is Son and the firstborn among brethren, heaven as a marriage feast, the Church is the spouse of God, Christians as children of God.

This new family, according to Hahn, is headed by Christ, and the Pope is his "prime minister" to whom he has given the keys of the kingdom, a process that he believes is also present in the Old Testament. Hahn tries to show that the Catholic Church, whose head is called "Holy Father", is the world-wide family described by the Bible and that the Protestant doctrines of sola fide and sola scriptura are not biblical because, in his view, the Bible stresses charity and works equally with faith for gaining salvation and points to the Church as the "pillar and the bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15).

Thank you for posting your source. I have heard of Scott Hahn, but have not read his book. Lest I presume that he is the sole inventor of this particular definition, could you cite his passages and, in particular, any footnotes or endnotes as to his sources for this definition as it is, to say the least, unknown in standard dictionaries and theological dictionaries?

Thanks again.

 

[Apollos1]

Covenant – Greek = diathe&#772;ke&#772;.
1) a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will
2) a compact, a covenant, a testament
2a) God’s covenant with Noah, etc. – Thayer.

Jerrychh said - There are more than two covenants. We don't "send" a covenant away. A covenant is an agreement between two parties, how do you send an agreement away?
But let's find some learning here... where does the Scriptures first speak of a covenant between God and anyone? Might that be the first covenant? Where is this found?

While there are several covenants mentioned within the Bible, Paul in Galatians 4 Paul chose to speak of the two major covenants. That would be the covenant made with Israel at Sinai – which is referred to as a covenant of the flesh and of bondage, and the covenant of the “freewoman” – a covenant of promise and, by inference, a covenant of freedom.

You (hopefully) have noticed that this is an allegory. And while one does not literally “send away” or “cast out” a covenant per se, Paul is saying that the covenant of “flesh and bondage” is to be “rejected” in lieu of and in favor of the covenant of promise and freedom.

As far as any learning goes, Paul is clearly teaching that we need to be children of the “freewoman”, which is allegorical of the other covenant mentioned in 4:24, which is a covenant of promise and freedom – cf. Galatians 5:1.

If Paul is telling us that the covenant from Sinai is to be "cast off" - as I believe he is, then why is the sabbath or any other article from that Sinai covenant valid today?

Should we not be concerned today with the covenant of promise and freedom - and all the articles contained therein?

 

[heymikey80]

Nice to know that Catholics hang onto some part of covenant thought through a converted covenantalist. But ... I have seen no weight Hahn has with the Roman See, so why would I read him and not the Pontiff or councils?

 

[ddub85]

The two covenants are the LAW and GRACE. You seem to be under the assumption that Gal 4:22-32 is speaking about an Old Covenant vs. New Covenant perspective. This is an incorrect perspective.

God Bless!

 

[ddub85]

Jerusalem is found in both of these covenants.

God Bless!

 

[Apollos1]

The two covenants are the LAW and GRACE. You seem to be under the assumption that Gal 4:22-32 is speaking about an Old Covenant vs. New Covenant perspective. This is an incorrect perspective.

Paul said in Galatians 4:24 -

"Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar."

Are you arguing semantics? Paul says there are TWO covenants.

Paul says ONE of the covenants was from Sinai - which I would call the "old" covenant made with ISrael and Israel ONLY. Paul then spends a good amount of time explaining why NO ONE should want to be a part of that covenant now.

The Hebrew writer (I believe it to be Paul) refers to these covenants as the "old" and the "new" - I just don't choose to limit my information.

As for "law" and "grace" - in a word these are the distinguishing characteristics of the "old" and "new" covenants.

 

[ddub85]

@ Apollos1

Paul said in Galatians 4:24 -
"Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants;
one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar."
Are you arguing semantics? Paul says there are TWO covenants.
Paul says ONE of the covenants was from Sinai...

Correct, and he's speaking of the LAW which was given to Moses at Mt.
Sinai. I'm sure we agree on that.

... - which I would call the "old" covenant made with ISrael and Israel
ONLY.

And you are making a couple of mistakes. The Bible tells us clearly
that the covenant came 430 years before the law;

Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed
before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty
years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none
effect.

The Bible also tells us clearly that this Old Covenant wasn't just to
Jews, but to Gentiles also;

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the
heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham,
[saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful
Abraham.

So the Old Covenant clearly was NOT THE LAW, and the Old Covenant was NOT TO ISRAEL ONLY according to the Bible.

Paul then spends a good amount of time explaining why NO ONE should
want to be a part of that covenant now.

The covenant which is the law? You're correct. But not the Old
Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, which came 430 years earlier.

The Hebrew writer (I believe it to be Paul) refers to these covenants
as the "old" and the "new" - I just don't choose to limit my
information.

To "these" covenants? Really? Could you please list the verses?

As for "law" and "grace" - in a word these are the distinguishing
characteristics of the "old" and "new" covenants.

Then please explain how the covenant of grace came 430 years before
the covenant of the law. Also, could you list the differences between the Abrahamic Covenant and the New Covenant?

God Bless!