Countless different opinions....

[OzSpen]

Peter,

Do you know such false prophecy?

We see it on this Forum with those who deny the deity of Christ and the Trinity. Are you blind to false doctrine?

What about your previous statement?

I honestly dont think that Bible is "completely integrated and subjects have multiple references and harmonise perfectly."

Regards, Spencer

 

[PeterKovac]

OzSpen

In my statement You have mentioned I ment that Bible itself has dozens of translations throughout the ages and dozens of denominions explain verses in it differenly. In past and today also. There are countless very different opinions about hell, sin and so on even among preachers within same denominion. I think if we all can read hebrew and greek and have original scriptures, then we could say that Bible is completely integrated and subjects have multiple references and harmonise perfectly. There are many books written about "mistakes" in Bible. When we read, see, hear anything, we compare it in our minds with what we personaly "know" or believe. So if I believe in something I can find it in Bible. And if I believe something else, I can find it in Bible also. You see where em I going?

Peter.

 

[marktheblake]

There are many books written about "mistakes" in Bible.

These books are typically written by people who do not believe the Bible to be revealing the truth of God to us. Therefore it is no surprise that they find mistakes in it, because that is what they want to find.

They overlook that these mistakes they claim to find will be contradicted elsewhere in the text, yet they will ignore that with other spurious claims.

So if I believe in something I can find it in Bible. And if I believe something else, I can find it in Bible also. You see where em I going?

I know exactly what you are saying (you said this before also). Everyone starts from a belief position, and then interprets what they read according to that.

 

[PeterKovac]

These books are typically written by people who do not believe the Bible to be revealing the truth of God to us. Therefore it is no surprise that they find mistakes in it, because that is what they want to find.

They overlook that these mistakes they claim to find will be contradicted elsewhere in the text, yet they will ignore that with other spurious claims.

I can argree with this statement in general. But I think that such book may be written by honest men who try to find true or broader truth. Lets say that I may be believing in Christ and try to find what is true truth revealed in Scriptures so I may do research and study and put my view in book /or this forum/. Event though I dont have urge to write such book, it would be my honest way to honor God and find Truth, or at least to come close to the Truth. I can imagine what would many men said about me and my book. You can imagine it also. Somebody once said that if you put all great teachers of all ages to one room, they would agree with each other. And if you put their students, disciples or follovers /dont matter how you call them/ to one room, they would argue and fight with each other forever.

Peter

 

[marktheblake]

And if you put their students, disciples or follovers /dont matter how you call them/ to one room, they would argue and fight with each other forever.

Correct, with the bible you have 66 books, written by 40 or more authors over a period of 2000 years on a common theme and they are all integrated without contradiction.

If you have people interpreting any historical document, and they are arguing about its meaning there is only two possibilities, some are reading it wrong or it is false.

 

[OzSpen]

Peter,

OzSpen

In my statement You have mentioned I ment that Bible itself has dozens of translations throughout the ages and dozens of denominions explain verses in it differenly. In past and today also. There are countless very different opinions about hell, sin and so on even among preachers within same denominion. I think if we all can read hebrew and greek and have original scriptures, then we could say that Bible is completely integrated and subjects have multiple references and harmonise perfectly. There are many books written about "mistakes" in Bible. When we read, see, hear anything, we compare it in our minds with what we personaly "know" or believe. So if I believe in something I can find it in Bible. And if I believe something else, I can find it in Bible also. You see where em I going?

Peter.

You have given the typical post of those who want to deny the content of the Bible. Look at what you have done:

• You talk of the dozens of translations and dozens of denominations that explain the Bible differently. But you give not one example.
• So there are "many" books that have been written about "mistakes" in the Bible. But, again, you give not one example.
• You seem confused with this kind of statement: "So if I believe in something I can find it in Bible. And if I believe something else, I can find it in Bible also. You see where em I going?" But you give not one example.

I've gotten to the point where I cannot trust your kind of posts as you don't seem to want to understand the Scriptures. Instead, you erect straw man logical fallacies so that we cannot have a rational conversation.

Who has been fuelling your anti-Bible rationalisations?

Regards, Spencer

 

[PeterKovac]

OzSpen

I tought that it is not necessary to give examples. But if you think it is necessary.... Denominations are based on disagreements over the interpretation of Scripture. An example would be the meaning and purpose of baptism. Is baptism a requirement for salvation or is it symbolic of the salvation process? All use Bible to support their view.

If you want book about errors ....some are easy to find on amazon.

And finally I am not confused with my statement. I think its known that everyone can find in Bible what he wants to find. Love, hatred, salvation, genocide...

And your queston about who has been fuelling your anti-Bible rationalisations.... there is misunderstanding. I believe in Bible, but probably not like you. I dont want to bielieve in something and later realize that it was not correct due wrong translation or due some error during copying or adding something to original texts an so on. Maybe I am wrong in some my believes but who is without sin may throw a stone on me.

 

[OzSpen]

Peter,

OzSpen

I tought that it is not necessary to give examples. But if you think it is necessary.... Denominations are based on disagreements over the interpretation of Scripture. An example would be the meaning and purpose of baptism. Is baptism a requirement for salvation or is it symbolic of the salvation process? All use Bible to support their view.

If you want book about errors ....some are easy to find on amazon.

And finally I am not confused with my statement. I think its known that everyone can find in Bible what he wants to find. Love, hatred, salvation, genocide...

And your queston about who has been fuelling your anti-Bible rationalisations.... there is misunderstanding. I believe in Bible, but probably not like you. I dont want to bielieve in something and later realize that it was not correct due wrong translation or due some error during copying or adding something to original texts an so on. Maybe I am wrong in some my believes but who is without sin may throw a stone on me.

Why don't you read Norman Geisler's edited book on Inerrancy, that is now available as a Google Book?

How will you know if something is a wrong translation? Do you read Hebrew and Koine Greek?

Sincerely, Spencer

 

[PeterKovac]

I will definitelly take a look at the book you have just suggested. ....No I dont read Hebrew and Koine Greek. I can just think that there are some wrong translations because it is been said by some of those who can read Hebrew and Greek. But its also truth that some other may say that there are no wrong trannslations. And that is exactly what I ment in my first post on this topic. You can either read Hebrew and Greek or you can believe what others have said. And you can compare verses in Bible with your own life experience. I think that words do not teach. It is life experience that teaches. An I also think that men create God on their own image.

 

[Michael009]

In my opinion one of the factors responsible for countless different opinions, is the same reason the Holy Ghost has yet to be mentioned on this thread.

Maybe many of us have failed to deny our own understanding, and sincerely RELY ONLY on the Holy Spirit for understanding?

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Hopefully no one is foolish enough to base their salvation on "opinion".

 

[papaJP]

Christians are called to be people of discernment. What do different Bible translations of the same verse teach us? We need people who understand the original languages. I read NT Greek but am not yet proficient in Hebrew.
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Let us use the resourses we have available. As to studing the Word in Greek and Hebrew I find the computer program "Bible Works version 8" to be very helpful.
You can read in multiple versions and see the Greek or Hebrew and the language understanding definitions and useages in other parts of the Bible for comparison.

We need even with all the helps available to man the filling of the Holy Spirit and His revelations of what we seek.

 

[heterodoxical]

It is the often the problems we encounter in the bible that focus on the meanings we are meant to struggle with.

These are the spiritual exercises that strengthen our resolve when we meet up with similar problems in everyday living

Sorry but Spiritual exercises come from application of the Word, not study of it. Consult eph 4:10-16.

Since Luther, the Protestant Church as a whole has moved from application, to study. It's gone to what you know, vs how you live.

Maturity, and unity, and knowledge of Christ come from works. Not study.