Counting the Whole Number of Persons -- Trump doesn't want to obey Constitution

[trunks2k]

Interesting, yet it is legal to exclude foreign tourists from the census, so why is it legal to count those in the US illegally who should be deported?

Tourists are specifically here for a short term, on the span of days or weeks. Undocumented immigrants are still immigrants. They live and work in the community. Whether they are supposed to be there or not, they are there and intend to be there for as long as possible. They are still using services. They are still paying taxes (one way or another).

 

[durangodawood]

A 60 dollar an hr construction job. Labor is a big part of our economy. Several trades still don't require a license.

Good grief housing is expensive enough without $60/hr labor factored into construction costs.

 

[Arc F1]

Still seems like a wash. Theyd have more money but less spending power.

Having a job beats living on welfare.

 

[Arc F1]

Good grief housing is expensive enough without $60/hr labor factored into construction costs.

That includes health insurance that is mandatory, retirement, vacation etc. Sorry I was an employer so I tend to look at the real cost not what the employee puts in his pocket. The rate the worker makes is more 30 something.

 

[Speedwell]

A 60 dollar an hr construction job. Labor is a big part of our economy. Several trades still don't require a license.

An unskilled foreigner who doesn't speak much English can make $60 per hour? No wonder they're coming here. There're plenty of Americans who do speak English and have skills who won't make $60 per hour any time in their lives. Or even in two hours.

 

[Arc F1]

An unskilled foreigner who doesn't speak much English can make $60 per hour? No wonder they're coming here. There're plenty of Americans who do speak English and have skills who won't make $60 per hour any time in their lives. Or even in two hours.

Sorry I was throwing out costs not what they make. Its not about being unskilled. A lot of them know their trade. It's about being here illegally.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

As we always say, context matters. Quote me the part of the Constitution that states a woman has the right to an abortion. There is not even historic context for that one.

I know, right? I keep looking for the part about their having to be separate restrooms for men and women. Actually, I keep looking for restrooms in general because I really gotta go and it seems that the Constitution doesn’t say that I can.

 

[FenderTL5]

What politician favors helping the American people? Not one of them is willing to stop the problem. I see them all as the same on the issue. They just say they have different positions, their actions say otherwise.

First of all, I agree for the most part.
However, there is one philosophy, mostly held on one side of the political discussion that has actively destroyed the unions, which protect workers. They also have been actively working toward deregulation, eliminating the rules for employers and especially developers and favoring large corporations at every turn. Those pursuits are not helping American workers.

 

[durangodawood]

I know, right? I keep looking for the part about their having to be separate restrooms for men and women. Actually, I keep looking for restrooms in general because I really gotta go and it seems that the Constitution doesn’t say that I can.

Just stop loving guns, then you can pee on the second amendment.

 

[Arc F1]

First of all, I agree for the most part.
However, there is one philosophy, mostly held on one side of the political discussion that has actively destroyed the unions, which protect workers. They also have been actively working toward deregulation, eliminating the rules for employers and especially developers and favoring large corporations at every turn. Those pursuits are not helping American workers.

I have my issues with the union but pay isn't one of them. Ive experienced the corruption first hand.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Just stop loving guns, then you can pee on the second amendment.

The funny thing is that the Constitution/Bill of Rights says that I can have guns but it doesn’t say anything about me being able to pee.

 

[durangodawood]

The funny thing is that the Constitution/Bill of Rights says that I can have guns but it doesn’t say anything about me being able to pee.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Ok you can go pee now!

 

[essentialsaltes]

I've been around thousands and thousands of Illegals and I've yet to see any pay taxes. ... I'm sure there are a few with stolen SS numbers.

4.4 million people paid federal taxes with ITIN numbers in 2015, which are issued to people not eligible for SSNs. Some of those are foreign landlords not living in the US, who still have to pay taxes on rent coming from US properties. But some are illegals paying taxes.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Not unconstitutional at all. The founders would never have counted a person illegally in the country. You do not count a person with no standing and no right to be here. In fact if the law were followed instead of ignored they would be removed. Just because you refuse to follow the law does not mean the lawbreakers have a right to representation. As far as the unborn, they count once they are born, well if they are born and not murdered.

We have illegal immigrants in this country? This is news to me .. in 2015 and 2016 Trump said if Americans elect him , he will send all illegals back to their homeland.. now after 3 and half years I thought he did his job and kept his promise.. and all the illegals gone from America .. I guess those were just empty promises to get his base excited!

 

[camille70]

This isn't going to go anywhere. When people think illegal immigrants, they think California (blue state) so they are gung ho for it. However Texas, a red state, would lose billions. There is no way they don't fight this.

 

[FenderTL5]

We have illegal immigrants in this country? This is news to me .. in 2015 and 2016 Trump said if Americans elect him , he will send all illegals back to their homeland.. now after 3 and half years I thought he did his job and kept his promise.. and all the illegals gone from America .. I guess those were just empty promises to get his base excited!

Nah, he removed all of the agents on the border and stopped counting the crossings. The numbers went Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down, almost non-existant.

 

[Arcangl86]

This isn't going to go anywhere. When people think illegal immigrants, they think California (blue state) so they are gung ho for it. However Texas, a red state, would lose billions. There is no way they don't fight this.

The EO makes it clear that the real goal is to strip California of a couple of representatives. While he didn't go as far as to actually name it, the example he used could only be California.

 

[Arc F1]

4.4 million people paid federal taxes with ITIN numbers in 2015, which are issued to people not eligible for SSNs. Some of those are foreign landlords not living in the US, who still have to pay taxes on rent coming from US properties. But some are illegals paying taxes.

How many of those were Illegals. I'm curious.

 

[hedrick]

In addition to income tax, many pay into social security. They are using fake SSNs, but their employers pay actual,money. These subsidize social security for legal workers, since the illegal immigrants won’t be able to collect. The Truth About Undocumented Immigrants and Taxes

This doesn’t mean that illegal immigrants are making a net positive contribution. First, only about half pay taxes. Second, they tend to be in lower income jobs, where workers are subsidized by others, whether they are citizens or not. The economic effects are complex. The low pay for some jobs makes things like food and health care more affordable for the population as a whole. I’m not sure I trust any calculation claiming to show the net effect.

 

[essentialsaltes]

How many of those were Illegals. I'm curious.

I don't see an easy source for that. The closest I've seen is that 85%-89% of the applications for ITINs in 2013-2014 came from people residing in the US.
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