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Could have 9/11 been prevented?

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joevberry3 said:
I dont think so either. No matter who was in office, Democrat or Republican they were planning to attack and I really dont think either party could have done anything differently to prevent it.

Joe
I am in total agreement with you.
 
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The final two planes didnt hit the two towers..Please explain what you think could have been done?
By the way, it has been proven that they were planning this as early as 1998..So, it had nothing to do with who was in office, so please explain HOW it could have been prevented.
 
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We'll never know for sure if the 9/11 attacks could have been prevented, but had we alerted the FAA while we were at "battle stations" (as Condi has said) then we may have had a chance.

14 of the terrorists were already known to the FBI/CIA before the attacks, all we needed to do was put together a no-fly list (like we've got assembled now).
 
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joevberry3 said:
The final two planes didnt hit the two towers..Please explain what you think could have been done?
By the way, it has been proven that they were planning this as early as 1998..So, it had nothing to do with who was in office, so please explain HOW it could have been prevented.


NO WAY!!! Only two planes hit the Towers? Stupid liberal media strikes again.

I don't know, maybe if Bush showed that he cared one whit about terra-ism, maybe if Cheney's terrorism task force actually held one single meeting (and look how often the energy task force met!), maybe if Bush hadn't gotten the 6 Aug briefing, and then gone on vacation for a month, maybe if Condi forgot the dream of missile defense, maybe if tax cuts weren't such a huge issue, maybe if leads had been followed up on, maybe if once the USS Cole investigation was concluded and handed off to the Bush Admin, that was followed up on.........
 
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joevberry3 said:
I dont think so either. No matter who was in office, Democrat or Republican they were planning to attack and I really dont think either party could have done anything differently to prevent it.

Joe

To prevent it they would have to have had some real specific information.
 
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Jacey said:
Possibly yes. There were actions that could've been taken that day to shoot down the final two planes as well.
Are you speaking from your Marine journalist knowledge or are you stating this based on your combat/war/engagement and tactical knowledge and/or experience?

IMHO, I believe your assumption of a tactical response via air support is faulty given the nature of the attack and it's unprecedented occurence within our own borders-Not to mention the unprecedented utilization of the Military taking out Civilian Airliners within are own borders.
 
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well the presidential brief entitled
"Bin Laden Is Determined to Attack in America" was a clue
the knowledge of up to 70 al qaeda cells somewhere in country
the info they had on pilots training.
the fbi agents that tried to get their intel pushed up.
clark tried to get attention to an imminent attack.
they knew hijacks were being planned.
airport security never averaged over 20% of the stated goal
and actually averaged about 10% the government knew that.
air marshalls were off domestic flights they knew that
they had even had discussions about planes used as weapons
etc. and that's from the hearings. are we watching the actual news
or is faux news it?


we just don't know what might have happened if they had cooperated and maybe pulled in the right suspects.
if they had been doing any of those things they might have gotten a break.
One lucky bust might have opened it all up.
Like if the gov had gotten into Mossai's hard drive.
Or for those conspiracy buffs
how much did the mossad know
why didn't God tell Pat Robertson or Benny Hinn.
One TBN show might have saved the day.
I thought Bush and God were a team...

all sarcasm aside we could have done better we might have gotten lucky.
but they still will keep coming if we get all them
Iraq will breed more religous nuts
 
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Yes,
The Pentagon not the President decided to regard the evidence as un-important.

America is truly are a pathetic nation who once wallowed in self-righteousness.
But Revolutions will eventually change us into a better people ^_^.
 
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Here's the thing: had measures been taken ahead of time to prevent 9/11, I absolutely guarantee you that the government would have been pilloried in the press for acting pre-emptively.

What could they have done to stop Mohhamed Atta and his suicidal friends from doing what they did? Arrest them? Yeah, let the ACLU get hold of that one. Not to mention John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. They would have been all over Bush for taking pre-emptive measures. Don't agree? Take a look at the rhetoric we were saddled with when Bush went to war in both Afghanistan and especially Iraq.

Are there WMDs in Iraq? None have been found, but it is a pretty large area to search. Will they ever be found? Sorry, I'm not linked to Miss Cleo's brain. If they are found tomorrow, though, suddenly Kerry and Kennedy and the rest of the Democrats are dead in the water. Election settled, Bush in a landslide. Why? Because Bush will have been proven to have been right all along.

But, that's a what-if scenario, and that's what 9/11 was prior to 9/11. "What if terrorists are planning to fly planes into buildings?" It had never been done before. There were rumours that it could happen, but nothing concrete. Without concrete evidence, the Democrats and the press would have absolutely annihilated Bush for acting pre-emptively to prevent a possible terrorist attack.

Sure, we can look back today and say, "Well, they should have known and done something about it." That's the great thing about hindsight. Unfortunately, unless someone has a time machine or a way to print news headlines a week in advance with perfect accuracy, we're stuck with what we know and have seen. Theories work well in scientific research and philosophy. They don't work so well when it comes to law enforcement, especially in a democracy that ensures that people's rights are protected.

So, even if 9/11 could have been prevented...would people have believed that prevention was necessary?
 
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Borealis said:
What could they have done to stop Mohhamed Atta and his suicidal friends from doing what they did? Arrest them? Yeah, let the ACLU get hold of that one.
Your joking, right? Are you suggesting that Bush was hopeless to prevent the attacks because he was afraid of a lawsuit from the ACLU?

"Well partners! We've got word of evil terra-ists plotting an attack against us, but boy-howdy that ACLU has got us beat!"
 
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Gunny said:
Are you speaking from your Marine journalist knowledge or are you stating this based on your combat/war/engagement and tactical knowledge and/or experience?

IMHO, I believe your assumption of a tactical response via air support is faulty given the nature of the attack and it's unprecedented occurence within our own borders-Not to mention the unprecedented utilization of the Military taking out Civilian Airliners within are own borders.

It's not faulty. Also, it's been known that there was a great possibility that they'd use airplanes to attack.

However, as part of its dual mission, the 113th provides capable and ready response forces for the District of Columbia in the event of natural disaster or civil emergency.

This page was pulled on 9/12/01

During the hour or so that American Airlines Flight 77 was under the control of hijackers, up to the moment it struck the west side of the Pentagon, military officials in a command center on the east side of the building were urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do.

They tracked the jet

I'm not blaming Bush or anyone. But when the FAA loses 4 planes and nothing is done?

Also, thinking that the ACLU would've protested Atta being arrested if there were legitimate charges is absurd.
 
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Jacey said:
It's not faulty. Also, it's been known that there was a great possibility that they'd use airplanes to attack.
You are not considering the fact that the planes they tracked and their ultimate destination was unkown.

USA has known for many year about the possiblity of aircraft being used to attack but not as serious as utilizing them as a missile.


Do to the fact that the USA did not know the true intent of the aircrafts no fighter jets would be scrambled for interception.

There was no precedence for this type of attack within USA borders-mainland.
 
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