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jerusalem said:Sorry, I haven't fished with your first reply.
The first article you referred to touched upon a number of areas. Let me respond to the quote from Leviticus 16. It may surprise you how most biblical scholars translate this chapter.
To understand what is meant by this rite, we must consider the reason and purpose for the choosing by lot. It is generally thought that the goat not sacrificed represented the sin-bearing aspect of our Lord's work, as foretold by Isaiah; however, we need to ask why it was necessary to command the employment of the sacred lot to decide between the goats, if both represented different aspects of the one and self-same sacrifice of the Lord? If both goats typified Christ, what difference would it have made which one was to be sacrificed and which was to be kept alive? - None. It would have made no difference at all and yet the use of the sacred lot solemnly called for God's judgement: 'The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord' (Prov.16:33). We should realize, therefore, that the use of the sacred lot upon the Day of Atonement foreshadowed the enactment of God's judgement when Christ atoned for our sins. Jesus was judged by man, but 'He entrusted Himself to Him who judges justly' (1 Pet.2:23). That judgement was to accept the fragrant offering of His Son and to overturn the verdict of an earthly court through the resurrection, according to His divine will and purpose. But, also, there was another judgement exercised by God at that time, pronounced by Christ Himself: 'Now is the time for judgement on this world, now the prince of this world will be driven out' (John 12:31). - The prince of this world is in reference to Satan (cf. Jn.14:30, 16:11). Jesus foretold that the Holy Spirit, the Counsellor, would convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: '... and in regard to judgement, because the prince of this world now stands condemned' (John 16:7-11).
Inferred in the above explanation is the understanding that the two goats were representative of two persons. In verse 8 of Leviticus 16, the Hebrew uses the preposition 'for' ('lamed'): lots were cast 'for the Lord' on the one hand, and 'for Azazel' on the other. Notice:
'And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for Jehovah, and the other lot for Azazel' (as translated by Darby; also translated as a proper name in the following works: cf. RSV; ASV; Jewish Bible[1917]; New American Bible [1986]; New English Translation [1996]). Here we see that the Hebrew name 'Yehovah' refers to the Lord as a person and not to any aspect of the sacrifice He made on the cross. It is both logical and reasonable, therefore, to accept 'Azazel' as a personal name for one standing in contrast to the Lord. In examining the meaning of this noun, translators put forward various suggestions:
1. It refers to a precipice, east of Jerusalem, over which - on the Day of Atonement in NT times - the goat was thrown backwards, to be dashed on the rocks below (cf. Mishna, Yoma vi,6). However, this cannot be the original meaning as the instructions were given at the time of the first tabernacle under Moses - long before Israel had come to occupy this territory.
2. It means 'entire removal' as derived from a similar sounding Arabic term meaning 'to banish, remove'.
3. It means 'goat of departure' from the Hebrew words: 'ez' (a she-goat) and 'azal' (a primitive root meaning 'to go away', cf. Strong's). In this form the term appears in the Septuagint. Jerome used the term 'caper emmisarius' meaning 'goat that escapes' in the Latin Vulgate (c. AD400), which influenced the King James translators to use the term 'scapegoat'. The modern NIV retains this form, but we should realize the original derivation. The goat did not 'escape', but was sent away and literally driven over a cliff to its death in the time of our Lord.
4. It is a name given to a strong demon, as derived from the Hebrew 'azaz' (to be strong) and 'el' (god). - According to the New Bible Dictionary, this is the meaning that most scholars prefer.
Objections to the view that the term refers to the name of a demon are based upon the notion that it is unthinkable that an offering should be made to a demon. This is true, but there is no suggestion that such an offering was to be made. The main idea contained in this rite is that of the removal of sin. Firstly, through God's acceptance of Christ for us there is complete and full forgiveness for all who truly believe. His life becomes our covering. This is foreshadowed by the rite concerning the goat chosen by sacred lot to be slain. Secondly, there is the need for deliverance from evil - symbolized by the sending away of the goat ('as Azazel' Darby, Lev.16:10 - not 'as the scapegoat') bearing all the sins of the nation. - God's justice demands that the guilty be held responsible for sin, not the innocent (see Ez.18; Prov.17:15, 17:26). Satan is truly guilty as the instigator of all rebellion against God. Though we can be forgiven, Satan remains condemned. If one incites or tempts others to trespass against God, even if those who actually commit the crimes later repent and are forgiven, that person who provoked the offenses remains guilty. This is true justice - the justice of God.
Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. He came to banish Satan from our midst. The devil's power over us and in our lives is removed when we turn to Christ. Satan is the strong 'god of this world' (2 Cor.4:4), ruling over those who live in darkness. The devil has completely departed from God's ways and is entirely removed from God's kingdom. The time for judgement on this world has begun and he is condemned. His sentence will be carried out in full when God's rule is restored on Earth (Rev.20:10, 21:4; Matt.25:41).
Blessings!
To God be the glory!
The two goats have direct reference to two aspects of Christs saving work , it is way off to think of any Old Testament sacrifice being for anyone other than Jehovah , unless it is in direct opposition to God , an example being the worshipping of idols .
Your understanding will find few who hold it , it is not an Evangelical Doctrine and I am almost certain no main branch of Christians hold it , it smells like heresy.
Show me what branch of Christendom believes this .
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