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Could God create a rock so heavy He could not lift it?

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This is called:
Contradictory Premises. Conclusions are drawn from the interactions of premises: where two premises contradict each other, there can be no interaction and hence no conclusion. Similarly, if the definitions of two terms conflict with or exclude each other, then those two terms cannot be simultaneously ascribed to a single object or event. The classic example of contradictory premises is the question, "What will happen if an irresistible force meets an immovable object?" The problem here is that in a universe where an irresistible force has been defined to exist, there cannot also exist an immovable object, because then the force would not be irresistible. Conversely, if there is discovered or defined such an item as an immovable object, then by definition there can be no such thing as an irresistible force.
This fallacy's most popular appearance is in the form of a challenging question, because questions with contradictory premises are such brain teasers. In each case, though, no answer can be given because the premises cannot both be true.
  • Into what shape of hole would a round square fit?
  • If an object is all black and all white at the same time, what color is it?
  • If an object is both stationary and traveling at an infinite rate of speed, how long will it take to meet itself?
  • If God can do anything, can he make a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it?
  • If God is all powerful, can he put himself out of existence and come back with twice the power he had before?
I thought they did a pretty good job (if somewhat wordy)
tulc(who heard Walter Martin talk about this very question) :)
 
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BigChrisfilm said:
yep, I thought it was helpfull as well, this quote was taken from gotquestions.org if you would like to see more, :)

Well thank you for sharing it!! I believe it is very important that Christians can provide logical reasons and explanations for what they believe to show that Christianity is a reasonable, logical, and defendable faith - which it is - to any man or woman who asks. I occassionally use Got Questions.org when I it comes up as a Google search result on some issues of which I have not yet formed an opinion.
 
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Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:
If God is infinite, are His creations outside of God or contained in Him?
Wow, I like that!

Logically:

Part of the question is the nature of infinity. Simply because something is infinite does not necessarily mean everything else is contained within it. For example, if you look at two lines, each one is infinite and each is separate; one does not need to be contained within the other. Just because space is infinite does not mean, necessarily, that it encompasses God. The opposite is also not necessarily true.

Also, there is the fact that God is said to be perfect and we are not perfect. Therefore, both of the following statements would prove false:
If we are an aspect of God AND God is perfect, THEN we are perfect.
If we are not perfect AND we are an aspect of God, THEN God is not perfect.


Biblically:

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

According to the Bible, Jesus was the only incarnate form of God.
Each person chooses the light (the life/essence of the Word, which is God) or the darkness (associated with death). The light can work through humans but we cannot truly be an aspect of that light.
 
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SimpleDevotion said:
Wow, I like that!

Logically:

Part of the question is the nature of infinity. Simply because something is infinite does not necessarily mean everything else is contained within it. For example, if you look at two lines, each one is infinite and each is separate; one does not need to be contained within the other.

There can be two infinite lines but can there be two infinities in all dimensions?

Doesn't God have to satisfy the infinity condition in all directions?

Just because space is infinite does not mean, necessarily, that it encompasses God. The opposite is also not necessarily true.

You lost me there.



Also, there is the fact that God is said to be perfect and we are not perfect. Therefore, both of the following statements would prove false:
If we are an aspect of God AND God is perfect, THEN we are perfect.
If we are not perfect AND we are an aspect of God, THEN God is not perfect.


Perfection is the only reality. All this imperfection is apparent, due to false identification with body, mind, and senses.
 
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