Could God be the most emotional being in the universe????

DennisTate · Oct 18, 2012

This would seem to correspond with the Creator actually having thought up and choreographed an infinite number of Big Bang Events over infinite time in the past as some physicists seem to believe has been the case!

Investing infinite time in the creation....would certainly tend to give the Creator a greater emotional attachment to all of us than we can begin to imagine...considering how young we are.

"When My Father moves His little finger, the whole universe trembles. To shake the nations with words does not impress anyone who dwells here. But when even the least of My brethren on earth shows love, it brings joy to My Fathers heart. When even the most humble church sings to My Father with true love in their hearts, He silences all of heaven to listen to them. He knows that one cannot help but to worship when they are beholding His glory here,but when those who are living in such darkness and difficulty sing with true hearts to Him, it touches Him more than all of the myriads of heaven can.

Many times, the broken notes from earth caused all of heaven to weep with joy as they beheld My Father being touched. A few holy ones struggling to express their adoration for Him has many times caused Him to weep.Every time I see My brethren touch Him with true worship, it makes the pain and grief I knew on the cross seem like a small price to pay. Nothing brings Me more joy than when you worship My Father. I went to the cross so that you could worship Him through Me. It is in this worship that you, the Father and I are all one. (Pastor Rick Joyner, chapter 15, page 85, The Vision)

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner
Chapter 15....

Soulgazer · Oct 18, 2012

I would say "no". Most emotions come from survival instincts wired into our physical bodies. God is spirit and not subject to natural desire.

timewerx · Oct 18, 2012

DennisTate said:
Investing infinite time in the creation....would certainly tend to give the Creator a greater emotional attachment to all of us than we can begin to imagine...considering how young we are.

You are thinking in 'humanistic' terms.

Most of humanity are nothing but parasitic organisms down to the poorest individual! There is nothing good to be said of our species as a whole. We are probably on the same league as deadly viruses and bacterias.

If whole nations won't repent, we will be eradicated clean off the face of the Universe.

Don't be fooled into many false doctrines today which makes the process of repentance so easy and allows you to continue loving the things of this world, to live a long and good life upon this evil worldly system that thrives on the misery of others!

It doesn't change you from a deadly virus to a beneficial organism, but only uttering the name of Jesus, raising hands in worship in Church, giving 10% of tithes, tell others about Jesus at work, but still a deadly virus!!

Phantasman · Oct 19, 2012

Why not. God is love. We are made in his image. I wouldn't think these emotions came from an evil side. We also know God angers and hates (sin). He probably has a sense of humor as well. He is the powerhouse that probably emits/allows these emotions. How we use them of our own free will may be how we are judged. Hell could be a place we are sent to where only the negative of those exist for eternity. (sorrow, fear, etc)

RadicalDissenter · Oct 19, 2012

The Son of God is clearly a very emotional person. Since he is the image of God, the Father must be an essentially emotional being, too. Also, to deny emotionality to the Creator would mean to reduce him to a level lower than humanity, it would virtually make him a being with no personality.

DennisTate · Oct 20, 2012

Phantasman said:
Why not. God is love. We are made in his image. I wouldn't think these emotions came from an evil side. We also know God angers and hates (sin). He probably has a sense of humor as well. He is the powerhouse that probably emits/allows these emotions. How we use them of our own free will may be how we are judged. Hell could be a place we are sent to where only the negative of those exist for eternity. (sorrow, fear, etc)

Phantasman....I think that you are onto something HUGE when you refer to the sense of HUMOUR that God almost certainly must have!

Hell as a place of only the negative emotions also seems to be a highly insightful idea!

DennisTate · Oct 20, 2012

RadicalDissenter said:
The Son of God is clearly a very emotional person. Since he is the image of God, the Father must be an essentially emotional being, too. Also, to deny emotionality to the Creator would mean to reduce him to a level lower than humanity, it would virtually make him a being with no personality.

Wow!

Yes, you chose your name extremely well when you joined this forum.....and .....I consider that your comments demonstrate a level of deep thought about the words of Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua and all that is implied by what he said and did while he was with us!

DennisTate · Oct 20, 2012

Soulgazer said:
I would say "no". Most emotions come from survival instincts wired into our physical bodies. God is spirit and not subject to natural desire.

So would that mean that God listens to our prayers out of a sense of duty but not because He actually enjoys our prayers?

Pastor Rick Joyner, The Vision, Page 87:

"I strove to fathom the great business that we had been given just to be the Fathers worshipers. To Him, the sun was like an atom and the galaxies like grains of sand. Yet He listened to our prayers, enjoying us continually as He beheld us, and, I was sure, often grieving for us. He was much bigger than a human mind could ever conceive, but I knew that He was also the most emotional Being in the universe. We could touch God! Every human being had the power to cause Him joy or pain. I had known this theologically, but now Iknew it in a way that shattered the seeming importance of everything else.

"There was no way I would ever have words to convey this, but I knew that I had to spend what time I was given on earth worshiping Him. It was like a new revelation: I could actually bring God joy! I could bring Jesus joy! I understood what the Lord had meant when He said that this was why He went to the cross. Any sacrifice would be worth it to just touch His heart for the briefest of seconds. I did not want to waste another moment when I knew that it could be spent worshiping Him. It was also obvious that the greater the trials or darkness from which the worshipcame, the more it touched Him. It made me want to receive trials so that I could worship Him through them.At the same time, I felt like Job when he said that although he previously had only known Him by the hearing of theears, when he saw Him, he repented in dust and ashes. I was like Philip who had been with Jesus for so long and didnot know that he was seeing the Father through Him. How astonishing our dullness must be to the angels! Then Wisdom spoke again.

Remember the potential for even the least of My little ones to touch the heart of the Father. That alone makes their value greater than any price. I would have gone to the cross again for a single one of these. I also feel your pain.I know your trials because we share them. I feel the pain and the joy of every soul. That is why I still intercede continually for all of you. There will be a time when all tears are wiped away from every eye. There will be a time when only joy is known again. Until then, pain can be used. Do not waste your trials. Your greatest worship andthe greatest expression of your faith that pleases Us will come in the midst of your trials."

Clare73 · Oct 20, 2012

God is spirit, not matter.

He does not have emotions.

Our emotions are a reflection of God's nature, but not in correspondence to it.

In the faith,
Clare

DennisTate · Oct 20, 2012

timewerx said:
You are thinking in 'humanistic' terms.

Most of humanity are nothing but parasitic organisms down to the poorest individual! There is nothing good to be said of our species as a whole. We are probably on the same league as deadly viruses and bacterias.

If whole nations won't repent, we will be eradicated clean off the face of the Universe.

Don't be fooled into many false doctrines today which makes the process of repentance so easy and allows you to continue loving the things of this world, to live a long and good life upon this evil worldly system that thrives on the misery of others!

It doesn't change you from a deadly virus to a beneficial organism, but only uttering the name of Jesus, raising hands in worship in Church, giving 10% of tithes, tell others about Jesus at work, but still a deadly virus!!

Timewerx....you are correct that we humans have done astonishing damage to each other and to the earth...but I find those NDE accounts highly encouraging and seemingly in line with II Corinthians 12:2-4.

What do you think of the idea that there are a certain segment of the population who...in a sense graduate from their experiences on earth much as a certain percentage of the population graduate from university.....or should I say Bible college???!!

George Ritchie - near-death experiences

Jesus gives him a tour of four different dimensions in the afterlife......

....
Jesus shows him a dimension where angry spirits are locked in hand-to-hand combat, trying in vain to hurt each other. He hears verbal abuse going on. He observes some trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. He also sees spirits arguing over some religious or political point and trying to kill the ones who did not agree with them. Here, he realizes he is seeing hell. These are spirits who are locked into some earthly desire that went beyond the physical and which cannot be satisfied in the spirit.

He is then taken to a different dimension appearing like an enormous university. Here he observes people dressed as monks engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. He is taken into an enormous library where all the important books of the universe are assembled. He asks Jesus if this is heaven. He replies that these are the people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth. George realizes these people cannot see Jesus, just as the others could not see him in hell.

DennisTate · Oct 20, 2012

Clare73 said:
God is spirit, not matter.

He does not have emotions.

Our emotions are a reflection of God's nature, but not in correspondence to it.

In the faith,
Clare

Clare, what do you think of this verse in the Catholic Bible that says that a time is coming when the wrath of God is somehow pacified?????

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Ecclesiasticus Chapter 48

And Elias the prophet stood up, as a fire, and his word burnt like a torch........

Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. [10] Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob.

I suspect that the appeasing of the wrath of the Lord happens as we get closer and closer to that time when everybody knows God....from the least to the greatest.

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me from the least to the greatest of them:

[Hebrews 8:11]

Clare73 · Oct 20, 2012

DennisTate said:
Clare, what do you think of this verse in the Catholic Bible that says that a time is coming when the wrath of God is somehow pacified?????

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Ecclesiasticus Chapter 48

I suspect that the appeasing of the wrath of the Lord happens as we get closer and closer to that time when everybody knows God....from the least to the greatest. [Hebrews 8:11]

Hi, Dennis. Nice to hear from you.

I think I see it a little differently.
I don't link Jer 31:31-34 to Mal 4:5-6.

I see Mal 4:5-6 as referring to Jesus' first coming, and Jer 31:31-34 as a description of the New Covenant Church,
where God's law is not an external written code, but is written on our hearts, and where we personally know God
through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

My reason is that in Mt 17:9-13 we see that the Jews were expecting Elias to precede the Messiah,
based on Mal 4:5-6, where Elias would come before that great and dreadful day of the LORD,
and would turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of children to their fathers.

At the birth of John the Baptist, the angel told his father, Zecarias, that John would go on before the Lord,
in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient
to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord (Lk 1:13-17).

Then Jesus said that John the Baptist was that Elias (Mt 17:11-12, 11:13-14).

So it seems that John the Baptist is the one commissioned to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children,
and the hearts of the children to their fathers, by returning to the instructing of their households
in God's word, in faithfulness to the covenant, thereby making ready a people prepared for the Lord.

I think John the Baptist was their last chance of repentance and reform, to restore things to the way
that God established them at Mt. Sinai. Those who were not baptized by John and did not repent and reform
would reject the Messiah (Lk 7:30), and the great and dreadful day of the LORD
would come in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

I hope that helps.

In the faith,
Clare

DennisTate · Oct 20, 2012

Clare73 said:
Hi, Dennis. Nice to hear from you.

I think I see it a little differently.
I don't link Jer 31:31-34 to Mal 4:5-6.

I see Mal 4:5-6 as referring to Jesus' first coming, and Jer 31:31-34 as a description of the New Covenant Church,
where God's law is not an external written code, but is written on our hearts, and where we personally know God
through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

My reason is that in Mt 17:9-13 we see that the Jews were expecting Elias to precede the Messiah,
based on Mal 4:5-6, where Elias would come before that great and dreadful day of the LORD,
and would turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of children to their fathers.

At the birth of John the Baptist, the angel told his father, Zecarias, that John would go on before the Lord,
in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient
to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord (Lk 1:13-17).

Then Jesus said that John the Baptist was that Elias (Mt 17:11-12, 11:13-14).

So it seems that John the Baptist is the one commissioned to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children,
and the hearts of the children to their fathers, by returning to the instructing of their households
in God's word, in faithfulness to the covenant, thereby making ready a people prepared for the Lord.

I think John the Baptist was their last chance of repentance and reform, to restore things to the way
that God established them at Mt. Sinai. Those who were not baptized by John and did not repent and reform
would reject the Messiah (Lk 7:30), and the great and dreadful day of the LORD
would come in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

I hope that helps.

In the faith,
Clare

All good points Clare but my major point was that the Creator can go from a place of having more wrath.....to having significantly less wrath....during the lifetime of one human?!

To me this implies God having emotion!

Clare73 · Oct 21, 2012

DennisTate said:
All good points Clare but my major point was that the Creator can go from a place of having more wrath.....to having significantly less wrath....during the lifetime of one human?!

To me this implies God having emotion!

It looks like I completely missed your point.

However, you still have the issue of God being spirit, not matter, and emotions require organic matter.
They are a function of a brain.

God's wrath is not emotion, it is justice in action, just as our system of justice is not emotion when someone is sentenced to punishment, it is justice in action.

God's just response is based on the gravity of the offense.
Any reduction in wrath would be due to a reduction in offense,
just as the gravity of punishment in our justice system is based on the gravity of the offense.

It seems you have come across some captivating ideas, which have much power for you.
And that is when we are at greatest risk of being misled.
So these ideas must be measured against the word of God, which reveals that God is spirit, not matter, and does not posses qualities of matter.

We are thinking too humanly of God when we try to correspond the attributes of God to the qualities of mankind.
God's attributes are infintely greater than any qualities of mankind, and cannot correspond to matter.
Creation can reflect God's qualities, but creation cannot be corresponded to his qualities.

Actually, this human thinking reverses the creation order, it creates God in our image,
rather than we being created in his image.
It makes God too small.
And when examined, its premise makes mankind the center of the universe, rather than God, with God being an adjunct to mankind's welfare.

But more importantly, the word of God reveals that being created in God's image is not a matter of human characterisitcs, but a matter of spiritual characteristics--of righteousness, holiness (Eph 4:24) and knowledge of him (Col 3:10), which were squandered in the Fall.

Think on these things.

In the faith,
Clare

Phantasman · Oct 21, 2012

Clare73 said:
God is spirit, not matter.

He does not have emotions.

Our emotions are a reflection of God's nature, but not in correspondence to it.

In the faith,
Clare

I thought you said you believed the Bible? Didn't Exodus say he was a "jealous" God many times? Does God not love? Did he not say "here is my son who I am "proud" "?.

How can you say God has no emotions? I can point out more if you want.

Clare73 · Oct 21, 2012

Phantasman said:
I thought you said you believed the Bible? Didn't Exodus say he was a "jealous" God many times? Does God not love? Did he not say "here is my son who I am "proud" "?.

How can you say God has no emotions? I can point out more if you want.

Yes, those words are used anthropomorphically (in the language of humans), for how else would we understand what God is communicating to us in those situations?

Remember, God is not matter.
He has nothing physical by which to experience emotion.
Emotions require the organic matter of a brain, and the chemicals to stimulate it to a physical experience.

That God did not have human emotions seems to have been understood by the apostles.

When Paul healed a man in Lystra, the people thought the gods had come down to them in human form (Ac 14:11).
But note how Paul described himself to show he was not a god:
"We too are only men of like passions with you (Ac 14:15)."
It seems it was common knowledge back then, even to the pagans, that gods did not have human emotions.

Scripture contains much anthropomorphic language for the sake of human understanding, but not for the sake of attributing physical emotion to a spirit God.

In the faith,
Clare

DennisTate · Oct 21, 2012

Clare73 said:
It looks like I completely missed your point.

However, you still have the issue of God being spirit, not matter, and emotions require organic matter.
They are a function of a brain.

God's wrath is not emotion, it is justice in action, just as our system of justice is not emotion when someone is sentenced to punishment, it is justice in action.

God's just response is based on the gravity of the offense.
Any reduction in wrath would be due to a reduction in offense,
just as the gravity of punishment in our justice system is based on the gravity of the offense.

It seems you have come across some captivating ideas, which have much power for you.
And that is when we are at greatest risk of being misled.
So these ideas must be measured against the word of God, which reveals that God is spirit, not matter, and does not posses qualities of matter.

We are thinking too humanly of God when we try to correspond the attributes of God to the qualities of mankind.
God's attributes are infintely greater than any qualities of mankind, and cannot correspond to matter.
Creation can reflect God's qualities, but creation cannot be corresponded to his qualities.

Actually, this human thinking reverses the creation order, it creates God in our image,
rather than we being created in his image.
It makes God too small.
And when examined, its premise makes mankind the center of the universe, rather than God, with God being an adjunct to mankind's welfare.

But more importantly, the word of God reveals that being created in God's image is not a matter of human characterisitcs, but a matter of spiritual characteristics--of righteousness, holiness (Eph 4:24) and knowledge of him (Col 3:10), which were squandered in the Fall.

Think on these things.

In the faith,
Clare

Clare, you have an excellent point that there is probably a decrease in offenses in order for God to undergo a decrease in wrath!

I do agree with this idea.

On the other hand I have some problems with limiting emotions to a physical brain. Emotions, and for that matter thoughts, are actually a product of energy circulating within some form of circuitry/synaptic pathway/neurons?!?1

Physicists have postulated the existence of a fundamental energy that would be operating at some TRILLIONS of times the energy levels attainable in a particle accelerator.

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy.

...

">"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

DennisTate · Oct 21, 2012

Phantasman said:
I thought you said you believed the Bible? Didn't Exodus say he was a "jealous" God many times? Does God not love? Did he not say "here is my son who I am "proud" "?.

How can you say God has no emotions? I can point out more if you want.

Well said Phantasman!!!!

What do you think of the idea that one single child could have such astonishing value that the attention of all of heaven is on every child?????

Rick Joyner, The Vision, Page 32
TheVision The Final Quest the Call RickJoyner PDF

As I approached the Judgment Seat of Christ, those in the highest ranks were also sitting on thrones that were all a part of His throne. Even the least of these thrones was more glorious than any earthly throne many times over. Some of these were rulers over cities on earth who would soon take their place. Others were rulers over the affairs of heaven, and others over the affairs of the physical creation, such as star systems and galaxies. However, it was apparent that those who were given authority over cities were esteemed above those who had even been given authority over galaxies. The value of a single child was more than a galaxy of stars, because the Holy Spirit dwelt in men, and the Lord had chosen men as His eternal dwelling place. In the presence of His glory the whole earth seemed as insignificant as a speck of dust, and yet was so infinitely esteemed that the attention of the whole host of heaven was upon it.

Clare73 · Oct 21, 2012

DennisTate said:
Clare, you have an excellent point that there is probably a decrease in offenses in order for God to undergo a decrease in wrath!

I do agree with this idea.

On the other hand I have some problems with limiting emotions to a physical brain. Emotions, and for that matter thoughts, are actually a product of energy circulating within some form of circuitry/synaptic pathway/neurons?!?1

And those synaptic pathway/neurons are matter.
God is spirit, not matter.

Physicists have postulated the existence of a fundamental energy that would be operating at some TRILLIONS of times the energy levels attainable in a particle accelerator.

Energy and matter have different forms.

Emotions require matter to be experienced.

God is not matter.

In the faith,
Clare

DennisTate · Oct 21, 2012

My wife heard this man speak yesterday and she was very, very, very, very impressed!!!!!!

A Testimony of Healing and Love Brad McClendon Video MorningStar Ministries Featured Video - YouTube

A Testimony of Healing and Love Brad McClendon Video MorningStar Ministries Featured Video

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