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In Scripture, no one is predestined or elected to be saved. Predestination refers to the saved person's guarantee of eternal life as laid out in Ephesians 1:3-14 and based on the condition laid out in Ephesians 2:8-9 and other places, that of faith in Jesus Christ informed by his gospel. In the New Testament, Christ is the Elect, not any one saved person. So, as believers enter the body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:27), they actually are grafted onto the promise of raising again just as Christ did (read 1 Cor. 15 to see how Christ's ressurection by necessity implies our own and vice versa). Only after that, they are predestined for the future inheritance and glorification.
Christ really did taste death for every man (Hebrews 2:9), and salvation is to everyone that believes (John 3, Romans 10). There is no way around the clear truth: Salvation is by grace through faith without the works of the law, is irrevocable once one receives it, and is offered to every man through Christ's death, burial and ressurection.
I'd like to share my thoughts with all of you and get your response to it. Thanks in advance.
Both Arminianism and Calvinism are defective in explaining the salvation process. These theological traditions neither recognize nor address the role Isaiah’s curse had in producing significant differences in the way Jews and Gentiles responded to the Gospel as overwhelmingly demonstrated in Scripture. Consequently, both of these traditions are wrong in that their explanations of salvation are too simple in light of Scripture.
A Simple Salvation Process for All
The salvation process is quite simple:
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Romans 10:9-13).
Notice in Romans 11:5-10, however, the prerequisite required for Jews to follow this salvation process: election. Scripture never describes Gentiles as having this prerequisite, and the reason for this is because the Jews were handicapped by a curse that prevented them from understanding the Gospel.
Isaiah's Curse
The Jews were cursed through Isaiah, and this curse formed the basis for their peculiar path to salvation:
And He said, “Go, and tell this people:
‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
“Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed” (Isaiah 6:9-10).
The above curse was quoted by Jesus when describing the Jewish condition to His disciples in Matthew 13:10-17, and the curse significantly impacted the way in which Jesus communicated to the Jews: in parables only. In addition, the same curse was quoted by Paul when contrasting the Jewish and Gentile responses to the Gospel in Acts 28:17-29. Consequently, the curse rendered all Jews as damned and bereft of salvation unless God chose to break the curse on those Jews He chose for salvation, per Romans 11:5-10. Even the prophets were blinded, according to Isaiah 29:10. Fortunately, the curse had an expiration date (Isaiah 6:11-13) and expired upon the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The Electoral Process that Breaks Isaiah’s Curse on the Jews
In order for Isaiah’s curse on the Jews to be broken so they could be saved, God chose (or, elected) which of the Jews to save:
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not … at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace … What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded (Romans 11:1-7).
In the above passage we find that all Jews were blinded from salvation and some Jews were elected unto salvation with those who were elected as comprising a remnant. This “blinding and election” action was directed toward Jews and not the Gentiles: “Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded”. The efficacy of the blinding was based on Isaiah’s curse on the Jews: “Go and tell this people … Keep on seeing, but do not perceive … and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes ...”.
In addition, “election” is a process that had been going on throughout the course of Jewish history as described in Romans 9:6-13. It’s an election that was still in effect in Paul’s day as described in Romans 11:5 and chronicled by Lydia’s conversion in Acts 16:13-15. But since the curse has expired, the electoral process for Jews has been abandoned (Isaiah 29:17-24).
Significant Differences Between How Jews and Gentiles Respond to the Gospel
In light of Isaiah’s curse on the Jews and the lack of any such curse placed on the Gentiles, one would naturally expect a significant difference in the way Jews and Gentiles responded to the Gospel; and this is exactly what one finds in Scripture. The following Scriptural references demonstrate this difference:
The above-referenced Scriptures combined with Isaiah’s curse sufficiently establish the significant difference between the way in which Jews and Gentiles responded to the Gospel and the reason for the different responses between the two groups. And it is at this point that the fundamental flaw inherent in both theological traditions expresses itself: a complete disregard for the Jewish handicap necessitating God’s direct involvement in Jewish salvation, an involvement completely absent in Gentile salvation. As a consequence, Calvinists erroneously attribute election in every salvation instance, and Arminians attribute free will in every salvation instance; and both traditions are wrong.
- Acts 13:42-52
- Acts 17:1-9
- Acts 18:5-6
- Acts 22:17-21
- Acts 28:17-29
- Romans 9:30-33
- Romans 11:7-10
- Romans 11:25
Conclusion
In conclusion, the salvation process described in Scripture is more nuanced than either of the descriptions proffered by Arminianism and Calvinism. Consequently, both traditions are inharmonious with Scripture and, thus, defective. A candid review of God’s word reveals that a prerequisite for salvation existed for Jews prior to the expiration of Isaiah’s curse, and this prerequisite was discontinued after Isaiah’s curse expired (namely in AD 70). Therefore, Jews were elected for salvation prior to the curse’s expiration and were given free will in choosing salvation after the curse’s expiration. Gentiles have never had this experience. Instead, Gentiles have always enjoyed free will in their salvation experience.
Interestingly, Arminianism describes the Gentile experience at all times and describes the Jewish experience after AD 70. Calvinism describes the Jewish experience prior to AD 70 only. Because both traditions profess to describe the process of salvation for all people at all times, they are both wrong.
According to a PhD scholar who is the world authority on the life and works of Augustine, and who has read the three volumes of the works of Arminius, he concludes that Arminius is more true to the Scripture than Calvin is concerning Predestination and Election. Where they differ is that Arminius believed that the person was predestined AFTER he chose for Christ, and Calvin believed that the person was predestined TO choose for Christ and that billions of God's created beings were created in order to spend eternity being tortured in hell.The Canons of Dordt (the synod's response to the 5 Points of Arminianism) are very convincing to me that Arminianism is wrong and Calvinism is correct:
Canons of Dort
Please note that Calvinism was not invented by John Calvin, and Arminianism was not invented by James Armininius. It's not like either man sat down one day and said "I'm gonna create some theology in 5 points!"
Instead, the 5 points of Arminianism came from Arminias' students as they presented some points of disagreement with the Dutch Reformed churches at the Synod of Dordt.
The 5 points of Calvinism came about as a RESPONSE TO the 5 points of disagreement (the 5 Points of Arminianism) that the Arminians presented to the Synod of Dordt.
So the only reason Calvinism today is known as 5 points is because it was originally a response to (and rejection of) the 5 points of Arminianism.
Romans 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
I simply won't believe in a God who is such a monster that he would deliberately create people in order to send them to hell without an opportunity to choose for Christ. That is the Calvinist view, and Calvin pushed that view on people by force because he believed that his gospel was the only gospel and his church was the only true church. If that is the God you believe in, then you can stick that God where the sun don't shine!Much deeper than that I think.
Proverbs 1:28 Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; they will earnestly seek me, but will not find me.
Don't forget regarding the important question Nicodemus asked.
Romans 8 and 9 I think affirms the calvinistic view.
God can make one for good and one for wrath.
M-Bob
I simply won't believe in a God who is such a monster that he would deliberately create people in order to send them to hell without an opportunity to choose for Christ. That is the Calvinist view, and Calvin pushed that view on people by force because he believed that his gospel was the only gospel and his church was the only true church. If that is the God you believe in, then you can stick that God where the sun don't shine!
Your problem is that Paul includes the Gentiles when he is talking about election in Romans 9.
Romans 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
if you want to be assured of your Salvation, you must be Catholic
if you want to be assured of your Salvation, you must be a Calvinist
Arminianism not being a Church but a system of belief not that much different than Calvinism
states, we have the truth according to our interpretation of Scripture, handed down to us by Arminius himself and Church Fathers. if you want to be assured of your Salvation, you must follow this line of belief, not questioning what Arminianism teaches, just adhering to the Doctrines set forth within it's Theology.
I really do not see a difference between any one of the three, sure they all profess to have the truth, but their truth is more true than any other, therefore their belief system is the one to be followed or you are doomed.
I'm sorry, but I see to many flaws in all three to adhere to any one of them.
All three demand unquestioning belief in the system as set forth.
therefore their belief system is the one to be followed or you are doomed.
I'm sorry, but I see to many flaws in all three to adhere to any one of them.
All three demand unquestioning belief in the system as set forth.
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