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Muslims are no creationists.
Well, if I'm not allowed to own my own children ... who is allowed to own them?Why would you feel inclined to do this?
Nothing.Itinerant Lurker said:And what does this have to do with owning people as property?
No, thanks.Ah, you should stop rejecting the increased knowledge we now have, and accept the fact of evolution.
And full of missing parts.The evidence for evolution really happening is vast and decisive.
Well, if I'm not allowed to own my own children ... who is allowed to own them?
Owning people as property is something God put an end to 19th century America.
God gets the credit.No, people put an end to it.
God gets the credit.
That's how it works.
That is correct.That's how some people decide to think about it.
And Hitler never killed any Jews, did he?Itinerant Lurker said:Unfortunately, this does not change the facts that God did not do away with slavery - people did.
Why did you bring up Hitler? He was one of you guys.That is correct.
And I am one of them.And Hitler never killed any Jews, did he?
Hitler is a negative example, but an effective one.Why did you bring up Hitler?
Sorry, this is nonsensical. You give your God credit for the good and let him off for his evil works. You can't have it both ways and be reasonable.Hitler is a negative example, but an effective one.
He is given credit for doing something he ordered others to do.
As I said:
That's how it works.
If God wanted to put an end to slavery, and He chose to use human resources to do it -- so be it.
Obfuscating simply will not help you. God specifically gives permission for masters to beat their slaves. As the slave owners of the south argued, every single one of the writers of the bible was familiar with slavery, yet every time it is explicitly mentioned in the bible the institution is affirmed. You or I could have cleared this up with a single sentence - that God chose not to is telling.
A lack of knowledge is something I can help you with; a desire to be wrong is not.
Like Christians, the fundamentalist Muslims are creationists. ISIS has banned Darwin from schools they control.
The second most creationist nation in the word, after the U.S., is Turkey.
I don't disagree that there is a lot of evidence to suggest indeed that things have evolved. But that does not mean that someone wanting to see our reality as being possible without making God necessary should be allowed in discussions with those who disagree to overstate the ability of a theory to explain the reality we observe. And neither should YEC or OEC or theistic evolutionist be allowed to overstate their position against a godless evolution. No side in such discussions should be acting like we have now or ever will have all the answers (in this life). And the Christians should not be getting all squeamish that a thirst/search for knowledge represents a challenge to their Faith (which is not blind but comes from God as a Gift).The theory of evolution is the scientific explanation for the fact of evolution. Evolution really happened . . . and we have a theory to explain how.
The evidence for evolution really happening is vast and decisive.
No need to apologize.Sorry, this is nonsensical.
Really?Subduction Zone said:You give your God credit for the good and let him off for his evil works.
I have a feeling you're the one who thinks we're having it both ways.Subduction Zone said:You can't have it both ways and be reasonable.
The story of Adam and Eve is different in Islaam. So, they are NOT the creationists as Christians are.
Yes ...But Christians can still be creationists. Likewise, so can Muslims.
The last statement is only true depending on any limits one has placed on the meaning of creationism.Yes ...
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam believe in creationism.
Do I need to start watching The Three Stooges so I can understand your posts?The last statement is only true depending on any limits one has placed on the meaning of creationism.
For example, if it excludes the possibility that the earth could be very old or if it excludes the possibility that God could have allowed the appearance of our bodies (obviously NOT souls) to result from evolution; then it is an overstatement of reality. The Christian taking a position which is overstating is just as dangerous and wrong as the atheist overstating what they think it means to believe evolution makes such a result. Neither position is correct. Believing evolution to be responsible for our appearance does not exclude the reality that there is a God, no matter what the atheist says or thinks.
A Christian that believes their Faith (a gift from God) depends or hinges on a rejection of evolution does not understand that their Faith is a Gift from God. Receiving a Gift from God is not a result of some intellectual process by which a person blindly come to believe in God or blindly think their Faith would be dashed if a theory of science was accepted by them. It is only a Christian's blind faith that evolution must be false (or an atheist blind faith in it) that is in jeopardy here. So everyone on all sides needs to get over that hump of their blind faith.
Acknowledging the fact that God created everything is not mutually exclusive with evolution and that it true whether the one claiming either is exclusive of the other is an atheist or a Christian.
Well, if I'm not allowed to own my own children ... who is allowed to own them?Nothing.
Owning people as property is something God put an end to 19th century America.
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