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Could a Basic Minimum Income for all Americans decrease abortions?

Could a Basic Minimum Income decrease the incidence of abortion being chosen?

  • Perhaps by 1 to 10 percent less than the current rate.

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  • Perhaps by 11 to twenty percent less than the current rate.

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Perhaps by twenty one to thirty percent less than the current rate.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I am thinking that a Basic Minimum Income could decrease abortions by more than thirty percent.

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Absolutely not. You clearly haven't thought this through, joined all the dots up!

The most likely result would be a massive increase in promiscuity and fatherless children.

For decades here in the UK, the one sure way a teenage girl could leave home and get her housing paid for was through having a baby. It became the norm that if they applied to the local authority to join the housing list, they would be told to go away and get pregnant.

Socialism, spreading other people's money around always has ungodly side effects. Giving money away to single mothers just creates state sponsored prostitution.
 
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Are we sure livable income is the same, or tangent issue as abortion?

And, we may also be assuming people wouldn't go through with an abortion if they had a livable income. Abortion is high because it is accessible; morality is relative, so even well-to-do women will still choose abortion as an option for terminating pregnancy.
 
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Are money really the reason for abortions?

Poverty is an important factor but certainly not the only one. Another possible initiative would be to provide free prenatal, delivery and postnatal care for those below the poverty line. Ironically Planned Parenthood has a great deal of experience in providing just this sort of care.
 
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The idea was actually put forward by economist Milton Friedman to break people out of the modern welfare system that rewards errors and punishes efforts to rise up out of poverty.

The Conservative Case for a Guaranteed Basic Income


To my thinking the manner in which it is financed is the critical question.

BETTY'S EARLY EDITION: HOW PIERRE TRUDEAU TURNED US INTO DEBT SLAVES
 
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It doesn't matter who puts it forward, on far too many levels it is totally immoral.
 
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It's not an area where there's great evidence. But people who have looked at the numbers think the most effective approach is to make contraception easily available, do good comprehensive sex education. provide good health care. Getting people out of poverty might well help, but I'm not clear that guaranteed minimum income is the best way to do that.

I'm sure you're aware that places where abortion is legal have lower abortion rates. I'm not convinced there's a causal link. My theory is that allowing abortion tends to be combined with the things listed above. But getting rid of Planned Parenthood manages to tick all the boxes, and will almost certainly raise the abortion rates.
 
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More money = more alcohol = more unwanted pregnancies = more abortions. Also people can say money is the reason they don't want to have a child, but I'm 99% the real reason is they don't want to be tied down and have the responsibility.
 
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I am thinking that the answer to this question is an obvious yes.

I am thinking that the only thing that will stop evil like this abortion holocaust and usher in an age of righteousness will be the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to rule and reign.
 
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More money = more alcohol = more unwanted pregnancies = more abortions. Also people can say money is the reason they don't want to have a child, but I'm 99% the real reason is they don't want to be tied down and have the responsibility.


You could be correct......
the final numbers on what percentage of Americans and / or Canadians might self destruct in several ways is something that I am in no position to be dogmatic on....... but I am much, much, much more optimistic than you are at this time.

I also believe that we are in the beginning of the greatest spiritual awakening since the time of Acts of the Apostles 2
....so I am biased in my perhaps excessive optimism.


2020 to 2030 is predicted to be a time of Awakening by God.
 
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I am thinking that the only thing that will stop evil like this abortion holocaust and usher in an age of righteousness will be the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to rule and reign.

I basically agree with you but the raising up of the final Elijah could also improve the formula assuming the validity of the fascinating prediction of the Elijah To Do List in the Catholic Bible.


Douay-Rheims Bible, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) Chapter 48

Who broughtest down kings to destruction, and brokest easily their power in pieces, and the glorious from their bed. [7] Who heardest judgment in Sina, and in Horeb the judgments of vengeance. [8] Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. [9] Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. [10] Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob.
 
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I'm optimistic for the church. I think the church is undergoing a great awakening, but it is in a rapid decline as far as membership goes here in America. So, for those of us who remain faithful, I think our eyes are being opened to the power of God. I'm sure there are some that legitimately get abortions because of financial issues, which is still no excuse, but I feel like most would still get an abortion because they would still rather spend the money on themselves than support a child with it, especially among non-believers. As far as the alcohol statement, I am pessimistic in that regard because the debauchery in America seems to know no bounds.
 
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I've heard quite a bit about a Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked to the Righteous..... and this could be an important part of the whole formula.

Economist Jim Rickards stated back in 2014 that there were seven hundred and ten trillion dollars in the worldwide Derivatives market. He expressed fear of a one hundred trillion dollar meltdown that could spread to other markets. This is one of the possible angles that could prevent or at least delay a Bear Market, another 1929?

The statistic of seven hundred and ten trillion is around the fifteen minute mark in this video:

FORGET IRAN, IRAQ, UKRAINE
THIS IS WHERE WWIII STARTS...



This is a related topic as well:


Do we Canadians owe America an apology for 1750 - 1783?
 
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I came across a statistic today ---- the top 1% control more wealth than the poorest 6.9 billion people. There is a justice issue here.


Yes..... and the rate at which robots are making many jobs obsolete is another part of the formula as well.

I have read some very hopeful information that every word in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets will come to pass but.... the gospel must be preached in all nations first.


Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

 
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Then fewer people on the planet is probably better, as there will be less competition for resources and jobs.


True. We also need to keep in mind that not all abortions start out as "unwanted" pregnancies—some women happily become pregnant and only have an abortion once it's discovered that a complication or serious birth defect will cause the eventual baby to have a miserable and short life, and/or it poses a serious health risk to the woman that could even lead to her own death.


Why are finances not reason enough? Is it moral for a homeless woman to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term just for the sake of "supporting life"? What if that life isn't very good?
 
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Is it for man to judge the worth of another man's life? Show me where in the Bible God put a monetary price on human life, and I'll show you where he actually gave his OWN life that we, even the lowliest of us, may live.
 
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I'm certainly not saying a poor person's life is not worth anything or that someone of lesser means can't have a fulfilling life. However, forcing a woman to give birth for the sake of birth itself does not put a very high value on human life, as the pro-life movement seems to be more concerned with quantity (preventing as many abortions as possible) than with quality (improving the lives of those who have been born, especially those in less than ideal circumstances).

I'd be more convinced if pro-life people were supportive of comprehensive access to contraception and paid maternity leave, but that seems to be a rarity. However, supporting those things would help to prevent abortions and would help those who did give birth.
 
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You see that is the thing......
taken by itself the proposal in the opening posts is NOT FORCING a woman to have her baby......
it is simply decreasing the economic pressure on her to feel that she MUST abort her baby!!!!!
 
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Five hundred dollars per Canadian per month, can this work?

I am advocating the usage of the Bank of Canada that is owned by all Canadians to finance giving five hundred dollars per month to all thirty seven million Canadians.

It will of course mean much more to poorer Canadians than to millionaires........
but it could be surprising how many stay at home wives with cheap and stingy millionaire husbands who control the purse strings of the home may find this extra five hundred very helpful indeed.

I suspect that well over eighty percent of of Canadians will spend this money reasonably well and:
1. enrol their kids in more after school programs.....
2. begin to purchase a higher percentage of organic produce vs the cheap GMO stuff
3. purchase a newer car, SUV or half ton truck
4. do renovations to their homes
5. hire landscapers to do certain projects on their properties
6. pay down their debt loads, especially the higher interest ones
7. buy a new home rather than renting
8. buy a cottage outside the city so that they can get away for weekends
9. many will choose to move to rural Canada in order to escape relatively hectic city life
10. eat at nice restaurants more often

11. I also believe that a significant percentage of Canadian women who would have chosen to have an abortion under the present economic situation will CHOOSE to keep their babies as opposed to having an abortion!

I suspect that less than ten percent of Canadians will attempt to live off this five hundred dollars / month and simply use it to drink or smoke more.
To whatever degree this happens the worst cases where these Canadians put themselves and others in danger this can be dealt with by issuing food stamps vs a monthly check.
 
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