Cosmology

[Northbrook]

Hello, scientists! My name is Lambrini and I post on this website on "The Ancient Way" forum. In that forum, the Ancient Way refers to the Orthodox Church. On The Ancient Way, we are discussing cosmology. Specifically, we are discussing origins: the origin of the universe, and the origin of the earth.

Many of us are well versed theologically, but none of us knows the current view of astronomy/physics on the origins of the universe and of the world. I think there is a show on TV that took over from "Cosmos with Carl Sagan." I think the host is Neil DeGrasse Tyson (sp?). What does that astrophysicist say? Can one of you post a summary on our "The Ancient Way" forum? We would surely appreciate it.

To get to the "Cosmology" thread on "The Ancient Way" forum, click here:

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/cosmology.8078124/


Thank you!

Lambrini
Northbrook, IL

 

[Chesterton]

The current view(s) on origins has not changed much since the original series with Sagan, and despite the fact that Tyson is presenting updated knowledge about a lot of details, I'd recommend against watching the Tyson version of "Cosmos". At least one episode had a decided anti-religious, or at least anti-Christian tone, and as far as being entertaining, it's kind of a dumb presentation. He flies around in a little space capsule or something, from what I remember.

 

[Halbhh]

Hello, scientists! My name is Lambrini and I post on this website on "The Ancient Way" forum. In that forum, the Ancient Way refers to the Orthodox Church. On The Ancient Way, we are discussing cosmology. Specifically, we are discussing origins: the origin of the universe, and the origin of the earth.

Many of us are well versed theologically, but none of us knows the current view of astronomy/physics on the origins of the universe and of the world. I think there is a show on TV that took over from "Cosmos with Carl Sagan." I think the host is Neil DeGrasse Tyson (sp?). What does that astrophysicist say? Can one of you post a summary on our "The Ancient Way" forum? We would surely appreciate it.

Thank you!

Lambrini
Northbrook, IL

Having read many articles and seen very many programs also on astrophysics , DeGrasse Tyson isn't who I'd listen to ever to learn much on astrophysics, because having seen a couple of his programs of Cosmos they are far less good than NOVA on PBS for instance.

Also, DeGrasse Tyson seems to have a bone to pick so that his programs have an ideological slant against faith.

(He's an atheist, but seems to want to preach his ideology by going out of his way to over emphasize the errors of some Christians, painting their wrongs onto all faith..)

So, forget DeGrasse Tyson, and instead get the already more interesting and better done NOVA astrophysics episodes.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Hello, scientists! My name is Lambrini and I post on this website on "The Ancient Way" forum. In that forum, the Ancient Way refers to the Orthodox Church. On The Ancient Way, we are discussing cosmology. Specifically, we are discussing origins: the origin of the universe, and the origin of the earth.

Many of us are well versed theologically, but none of us knows the current view of astronomy/physics on the origins of the universe and of the world. I think there is a show on TV that took over from "Cosmos with Carl Sagan." I think the host is Neil DeGrasse Tyson (sp?). What does that astrophysicist say? Can one of you post a summary on our "The Ancient Way" forum? We would surely appreciate it.

Thank you!

Lambrini
Northbrook, IL

Personally for me, the best piece of Cosmological evidence that the Bible is true are....

The Orion and Pleiades Star Clusters:





"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades,
or loose the bands of Orion?"
(Job 38:31).

The Orion star cluster has been set loose and the stars within this star cluster have been drifting away from each other. Whereas the Pleiades star cluster is gravitationally held together as a group. God asked Job thousands of years ago if he can bind the Pleiades and loose the bands of Orion. We did not truly confirm this until the Science of Astronomy discovered such a thing.

I would recommend checking out Jason Lisle's videos on Astronomy on YouTube.

Here is one of them:

 

[Brightmoon]

Neil’e degrasse Tyson’s science info is accurate and Jason lisle’s is not . Who do you believe the lying Christian or the truthful atheist?. Since this is about SCIENCE info , I’m going for the truthful accurate one. I don’t have to agree with NDT about religion but his science information is accurate and if I want to learn astronomy and not pseudoscience nonsense then that’s who I go with

 

[Strathos]

Some 13.7 billion years ago, everything in the universe was compressed into an infinitesimal point. For an as-yet-unknown reason (as a Christian obviously you can guess my thoughts on this), that singularity began expanding at an incredibly rapid rate. This is known as the Big Bang. As the universe became larger, it became less dense and cooled down. Eventually, gravity caused large clumps of matter to clump together into stars, galaxies, and planets. Those stars reached the end of their natural lifecycles and, if they were massive enough, exploded in supernovae. These events caused the creation of heavier elements. Our sun and its solar system were formed by gravitational attraction of remnant gasses from one or more of these early supernovae. The earth started out around 4.6 billion years ago as a hot molten ball of rock that was constantly bombarded by huge asteroids and planetesimals which were ubiquitous in the early solar system. Eventually, most of the largest objects had collided with planets or the sun, or had been dragged into stable orbits by gravity. The earth cooled down, and after a billion years or so, an unknown process (again, a Christian should easily be able to fill in the blanks) caused the first lifeforms to arise in the form of simple self-replicating molecules.

Then evolution happened.

IMO God planned all of this.

 

[Northbrook]

Hello, scientists, this is Lambrini again. Thanks to Jason0047 for posting the Dr. Jason Lisle video, "Astronomy Reveals Creation," above. I watched the whole thing and at the end, noted down a website for further reading = YourOriginsMatter.com. I like that website, which has an FAQ of questions such as "What is the origin of life?" and "Does science conflict with the Bible?" Thanks again, Jason!

 

[Halbhh]

Neil’e degrasse Tyson’s science info is accurate and Jason lisle’s is not . Who do you believe the lying Christian or the truthful atheist?. Since this is about SCIENCE info , I’m going for the truthful accurate one. I don’t have to agree with NDT about religion but his science information is accurate and if I want to learn astronomy and not pseudoscience nonsense then that’s who I go with

Maybe it's because I've read and seen so much in the field, but NOVA on pbs is so superior to Tyson, for instance using many astrophysicists together on one question for instance, in one episode. They just outnumber, and have more detail and more perspective and better excerpts. So much better than Tyson.

 

[jayem]

I'm not sure any TV program, or even a series, can do justice to the topic. Reading books takes more time and effort, but provides much more comprehensive information. A few suggestions:

1) A Brief History of Time. Stephen Hawking's 1988 bestseller. Now somewhat dated, but still worth reading.

2) The Fabric of the Cosmos, by Columbia U. professor Brian Greene. A good introduction to the basic physics underlying modern cosmology, i.e., quantum mechanics, superstrings, branes, etc. No math background needed.

3) The Grand Design. Also by Stephen Hawking and a co-author. From 2012. I have this in my library, but I admit I haven't yet read it. But it's gotten good reviews. You might be particularly interested in this book. Since he addresses whether the universe shows evidence of purposeful design. And even if you disagree with his conclusions, you can't go wrong reading anything by Stephen Hawking.

 

[Brightmoon]

Well , I’ll take ANY mainstream astrophysicist over a creationist one any day. That was the point I was trying to make. Simply because the creationist pseudoscience info is usually wrong, or missing important details that a laymen might not know they left out ( they do it deliberately to push creation “science” information). And no I’m not an atheist. This has nothing to do with atheism . It’s about the accuracy of the info that you’re given about a science subject

 

[Chrétien de Troyes]

Evolution is a phenomenon that generates increasingly complex information information, so it is a creative phenomenon. But if everything comes from the creation of new information, it means that the creation exists and therefore God has indeed created the world.
We can observe outside the biological world living organisms, for example a hurricane: it has a birth, it is generated by the meeting of several phenomena under specific conditions, it feeds on the energy that is present in the environment around him and then finally he dies.
Absolutely everything in the Universe resumes the same pattern as biological life, but less complex. The existence of the human being is therefore the completion of the fundamental principles of organizations of matter in the universe.
From this cosmological point of view, the Existence of God is absolutely indisputable. The only possibility of discussion that exists is this: what is the nature of this "God"? And that's called theology!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Hello, scientists, this is Lambrini again. Thanks to Jason0047 for posting the Dr. Jason Lisle video, "Astronomy Reveals Creation," above. I watched the whole thing and at the end, noted down a website for further reading = YourOriginsMatter.com. I like that website, which has an FAQ of questions such as "What is the origin of life?" and "Does science conflict with the Bible?" Thanks again, Jason!

It is was my pleasure. I am so glad it was helpful for you.

May you blessed greatly in the Lord today.

 

[Halbhh]

I'm not sure any TV program, or even a series, can do justice to the topic. Reading books takes more time and effort, but provides much more comprehensive information. A few suggestions:

1) A Brief History of Time. Stephen Hawking's 1988 bestseller. Now somewhat dated, but still worth reading.

2) The Fabric of the Cosmos, by Columbia U. professor Brian Greene. A good introduction to the basic physics underlying modern cosmology, i.e., quantum mechanics, superstrings, branes, etc. No math background needed.

3) The Grand Design. Also by Stephen Hawking and a co-author. From 2012. I have this in my library, but I admit I haven't yet read it. But it's gotten good reviews. You might be particularly interested in this book. Since he addresses whether the universe shows evidence of purposeful design. And even if you disagree with his conclusions, you can't go wrong reading anything by Stephen Hawking.

I sort of agree, but from reading astronomy/astrophysics/cosmology stuff since a teen, articles, books (several), stuff ranging from basic up to the professional journals (and having an undergraduate degree in physics also), I can tell you with plenty of comparisons that hearing from multiple competent astrophysicists in a recent (last few years) NOVA episode can actually add to someone's knowledge that is already deep and extensive. It's that good because it includes so many perspectives (5-12 in one episode) from professionals that are used to explaining it to students and science writers. It's numbers -- hearing from 8 astrophysicists is just going to be more depth and better information than only 1 or 2 even in a well written book. Yes, I can still get more from a great article such as at Quanta magazine than from a NOVA program occasionally (because a writer might use many interviews to write one article). Possibly NOVA will frustrate someone that wants to learn more of the basic how-it-works, a person who wants to learn physics in effect, so my viewpoint may not be representative of what everyone needs, in which case reading a book explaining more things from the ground up could be more useful for that person. But the NOVA programs do also include good 30,000-feet type overviews often, and even often have some short from the ground up explanations that are fairly good, believe it or not. That said, anyone wanting to understand more will do well to read a good book at some point, definitely.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

For a broad yet fairly detailed overview of the current scientific views of what we can say about our universe and its origins, you could do worse than Max Tegmark's very readable book, "Our Mathematical Universe". It culminates with his own hypothesis of what the universe is and where it came from, but gets there by covering all the significant discoveries and theories in that context, from atoms and quantum scales to galaxies and cosmological scales, and including a variety of theories of reality, both physical and philosophical.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Modern cosmology is dead, they just haven't realized it yet as they are too busy refining their epicycles.

https://kgov.com/evidence-against-the-big-bang

 

[Brightmoon]

Some joke filmmakers on the internet says the Big Bang didn’t happen. Yep ! That there’s real rootin tootin evidence

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Some joke filmmakers on the internet says the Big Bang didn’t happen. Yep ! That there’s real rootin tootin evidence

Yah, some people like to ignore evidence, even when Hawking and all the top scientists agree that the observations falsify the theory.....

I know it makes you feel better so you can ignore the evidence, it's ok..... Cognitive dissonance tends to allow people to do that....

But then that's why you will never present any actual science to counter their claims..... Just make unsupported PR statements....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Here, let's repost what Big Bang supporters CAN'T argue against...... because it is their very own scientific results......

 

[Brightmoon]

As I’ve explained before, we can see back that far into time because light takes time to travel. . Very early stars had no elements heavier than iron . The Big Bang explains that fact . Hawking accepted the Big Bang . Most modern physicists do.

 

[Chinchilla]

Here, let's repost what Big Bang supporters CAN'T argue against...... because it is their very own scientific results......

There is no "disappearing " anti-matter , simply gravity does not exist . They need to introduce everything they can even to the point of introducing not only anti-matter but dark matter aswell to make the gravity work...