razeontherock
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Pardon me, don't mean to but in here, but faith is the evidence of things that are not seen. To say "faith is believing" is a tautology. Faith is evidence, and substance!
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My opinion is faith is believing in things that are not seen.
Examples is Jesus Christ and God. I put all my trust in them and it's personal. Meaning that I have to change for God and God only. I don't mind leading people to Christ but in all it's really up to them to keep the faith and stay on track. I can't fight their battles and neither is God/Jesus an accuse for their sins.
If that's the case, why do Christians talk about how one needs to believe, or have faith in, Jesus, in order to be saved? If the criteria for salvation aren't known, why be a Christian at all?
I think of faith as hope.
And what aspect is that?You are missing the entire aspect of Salvation that is in the here and now!
And what is it if not that? Christians may well believe in Christ for reasons other than salvation, but salvation is still a consequence of their belief, right? And salvation still entails that one goes to Heaven rather than Hell, right?You have just changed it to the proverbial get out of jail free card, with the thinking behind this question
Can you explain how, exactly, faith constitutes evidence, what it's evidence of, and indeed what 'faith' means?Pardon me, don't mean to but in here, but faith is the evidence of things that are not seen. To say "faith is believing" is a tautology. Faith is evidence, and substance!
And what aspect is that?
And what is it if not that? Christians may well believe in Christ for reasons other than salvation, but salvation is still a consequence of their belief, right? And salvation still entails that one goes to Heaven rather than Hell, right?
Can you explain how, exactly, faith constitutes evidence, what it's evidence of, and indeed what 'faith' means?
Nah. It works fine: http://www.christianforums.com/search.php?searchid=4909839Or maybe our search function isn't the most helpful tool?
In response to the OP:
Well, let's see. I just searched the entire forum for the word "Charity" and this is all I found. I work for a charity organization where it seems like we get more donations from the people we're serving than from the people 'volunteering'. Hmmmmm somebody may have a point!
apparently I can only search within the past month.
Faith transformes the phenomenology of perception (from physical to created, spiritless to God filled etc), and the resulting disclosure is taken as the new empirical standard. In that way faith provides evidence insofar as it transformes experience. So faith introduces an alternative empirical arena, and that is the believer's standard, so to speak. If the subject finds the alternative more rewarding, religious life may well follow.
I believe in God actually. Incidentally it enhances my live. God it good. I think that practicing right religion if food for sophia, and sophia (wisdom) brings life in abundance. Perhaps I shouldn't say this but there is a nice Shi'a quote (amongst many):Interesting verbiage! I would suggest an improvement on "religious life" though; how do you use religion?
quoted from this bookO Ali, no poverty is harsher than ignorance, no fortune better than the intellect, no loneliness drearier than pride, no victory like counseling, no intellect like moderation, no lineage like good manners, and no worship like pondering (over things).
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