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Corroborating Genesis, Book of Jasher, and Stephen's Speech

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There are several problems in the historical accuracy of Stephen's speech in Acts 6, because they are got from a corrupted record that does not agree with Genesis, and Genesis does agree with the Book of the Upright/ Upright Record, -commonly called the Book of Jasher.

On a couple of other threads, a poster makes claims that the Book of Jasher is not correct, in that Stephen contradicts it, but that is not true, and Stephen contradicts Genesis.

Stephen's account and the Genesis account do not agree.
That does not make Stephen's martyrdom any less value, nor his faith any less than it is, and of specific note by Jesus, at his death. Stephen was welcomed into heaven by the LORD Himself, but Stephen's history does not agree with the Torah account in the same way that Peter believed a fable about not associating with the Gentiles from another faulty record which some Jews believed and which Jesus did not correct until he let the sheet down with the unclean animals, so as to teach Peter and set him free from a false belief.


Why is this important? Because the history book, the "Book of the Upright", or "Upright Record" does agree with the Genesis account and gives us many more details that Stephen was not privy to, in the record he did read.

We can check it for ourselves if we will, but a poster on the other threads was not willing to do so, even when they were laid out in front of him -he ran away from checking it out for himself.
This is to lay it out for interested parties so that they can see for themselves, and many errors can then be corrected.
To be clear, I do not believe the Book of Jasher is "inspired", but is true history. I also do not believe any of the histories are inspired.

Inspired is "Thus saith YHWH". Histories are histories; writings are writings; wisdom is wisdom; and prose is prose.




Was Israel oppressed four hundred years, according to Genesis? No!


They were oppressed after Joseph died, beginning little by little, until they were led out by Moses when he was 82 years old.

Now to begin, Moses' mother was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, born to him in Egypt. Jochebed was born at the gates of Egypt, the true history says -and many other of the Jewish histories do state the same.
Joseph was on the throne ruling Egypt when Israel entered, and they had it good all the days Joseph ruled, under the Pharaoh who turned it over to Joseph.

Joseph was 17 when he entered Egypt, one year in Potipher's house, 12 years in prison, and 30 years old when he was set on the throne under Pharaoh.

Israel came into Egypt when Joseph was 39.
Seventy one years after Israel came into Egypt, Joseph died.
Joseph died at age 110 Genesis 50:26
Joseph ruled Egypt 80 years.

Jacob was 130 when he came into Egypt Genesis 47:9
Jacob died age 147, after 17 years in Egypt Genesis 47:28
Jochebed, Moses mother was the daughter of Levi, born in Egypt to Levi when Levi entered the gates of Egypt.


Num 26:59 And the name of Amram's wife [was] Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom [her mother] bare to Levi in Egypt: and she bare unto Amram Aaron and Moses, and Miriam their sister.

So Joseph died, and another Pharaoh arose who did not know Joseph. It took a bit of time, but by the birth of Miriam, 12 years before Moses, birth, the people were "embittered" which is why Miriam was named "embittered people" from the Hebrew for bitter/grieved, and people.

Now Moses was 82 when he led Israel out, and his mother had been born at the gates of Egypt [when Levi entered] making her 128 when Moses was born.
Israel was in Egypt 210 years. Jochebed was 128 when Moses born.
Moses was 82 when he led them out.

Israel had it good until Joseph died, then a creeping enslavement, beginning when Jochebed was in her 71st year [when Joseph died], until by the time she had Miriam, 45 years later, they were "bitter/grieved people" [Miriam means bitter people].

So all the years Israel was in Egypt add up to 210, in the Genesis record
-and in the Record of the Upright/Jasher- and oppression began with a creep after the 71 years Joseph reigned, after they entered only after Joseph's death.
 
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We can labor in Genesis to check the numbers, or we can read the "Upright Record" and check the numbers, or we can check the numbers in places like Torah.org:


Or we can check Josephus -who was off by only 5 years:

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I think that Steven's speech is the most boring bit of the entire bible. can you imaging those people sitting and listening to all that stuff which they already knew. I think it might have been used in the early church, as a teaching text.
The people Stephen spoke to were not bored....they were incensed! and stoned him to death!
 
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This is misleading, as you also don't believe Genesis to be inspired either.

The fact is you put Jasher on the same level as Genesis and Acts. That is dangerous and why you come up with strange theories like a floating Garden of Eden.

Now you ask the question, Was Israel oppressed four hundred years, according to Genesis? My answer also is no, and that you are misrepresenting Stephen. Where did Stenphen mention Israel?? And where does he mention that the oppression itself would be 400 years? Let's read carefully.

God spoke to him in this way: ‘Your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years.​
Who was Stephen speaking of? Jacob? Isaac? No, Abraham and therefore speaking of his seed which began with Isaac.

Let's check out a couple other very literal translations.

And God spake to him, That his seed shall be comeling in an alien land, and they shall make them subject to servage, and shall evil treat them, four hundred years and thirty​

Notice the components Stephen is mentioning. The sojourning of Abraham's seed (starting with Isaac). The subjection of Abraham's seed. And the evil treatment of Abraham's seed. These 3 components together would be 400 years.

That would be starting at the time Isaac was 5 years old, perhaps the time when Ishmael was cast out of Abraham's household. 400 years later we have the Exodus.

I don't see the fuss there. Stehen knew what was going on with Jewish history and knew that Isaac was never enslaved. Thus it's very clear he was speaking of the time from Isaac attaining the status of firstborn, to the Exodus. Instead of impugning Stephen's understanding of history, which seems impeccable, I would question yours.

Now is Jasher inerrant like Genesis? Interestingly, Jasher got the birth time of Abraham wrong in that it thought Terah's genealogy meant to say he was born in Terah's 70th year. This is a common mistake. We know though, that the particular construction of that genealogy in that place doesn't give specifics in the sense of which son was born first. It is not like the previous constructions mentioning Terah, Haran, Serug, Reu, Peleg, etc. It is merely stating that the 3 sons mentioned were born on or after Terah's 70th year. The same is true in Noah's genealogy. It also mentions Noah's 3 sons born after Noah's 500th year. Shem is mentioned first, but we know Japheth was the firstborn, and Shem was born 2 years later (When Noah was 502), from subsequent passage. Terah's genealogy is virtually identical to this revealing that 3 sons were born to him after his 70th year. You assume Abram was born first since he is mentioned first, but he actually was born 60 years after Haran, when Terrah was 130. We know this because in Genesis Abraham left to permanently live in Canaan after Terah died at age 205. The text specifically says Abram was 75 at this time. Simple math, Terrah was 130 at Abram's birth. Stephen rightly confirms this in Acts 7 by affirming that Abram left for Canaan after Terah died.

The moral of this story? Trust the Bible.

Jasher may be a genuine history book based on an ancient manuscript. Then again it may just be fictional hebrew midrash. Regardless, we should always trust the Bible first. Josephus also has a very interesting history book that corroborates Genesis. But where are differences, trust the Bible.

Now for those wanted to look at the issue deeper, I've found this to be the most helpful article on the subject.

How Long Were the Israelites in Egypt?

I find it to be very clear, very concise, complete with a quote from Henry Ainsworth. I'll quote that here, but check out the whole article is isn't very long and frankly doesn't need to be. This is not a difficult issue and certainly not a reason to question Stephen's understanding of history.

Ver. 13. Knowing Know,] That is, know assuredly: see Gen. ii. 17. Not Theirs,] Meaning Egypt, Mesopotamia, and Canaan itself; wherein they were but strangers, Gen. xvii. 8. Psal. cv. 11, 12. and therein afflicted. Gen. xxi. 9. xxvi. 7, 14, 15, &c. but chiefly in Egypt. Four Hundred Years,] Which began when Ishmael, son of Hagar the Egyptian, mocked and persecuted Isaac, Gen. xxi. 9. Gal. iv. 29. which fell out thirty years after the promise, Gen. xii. 3. which promise was four hundred and thirty years before the law, Gal. iii. 17. and four hundred and thirty years after that promise, came Israel out of bondage, Exod. xii. 41. 2 (emphasis added)
 
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Sorry you are mistaken...in Genesis 15:13 the scripture reads "And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years"...Stephen is merely paraphrasing here in the general context of the greater conversation...indeed this was a prophecy of their experience in Egypt.

Also this modern "Book of Yasher" is NOT the book of Yasher the OT referred to (it no longer exists). This one is the later Jewish apocryphal book translated in 1613 and they use the term Yasher to mean the correct account...it is apocryphal similar to the Book of Jubilees. It was recently translated and claimed to be the true Book referred to in Joshua by the LDS (which right off the bat should tell you you cannot trust it as canonical in any way). And once more Stephen does not contradict Genesis (15:13)...Shalom...and have a blessed paschal season.

In His love

Paul
 
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This is misleading, as you also don't believe Genesis to be inspired either.
That is a slanderous falsehood!

I have never said anything to slander your beliefs in that manner.
If you want to take part in this thread, stop the falsehoods.
 
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The people Stephen spoke to were not bored....they were incensed! and stoned him to death!

when I read it, I thought they wouldn't just sit there listening to the entire torah being gone over again.. priests who had studied all that all their lives, I think it was probably written in later, as a teaching tool for the early church, a waste of space.
 
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Hi Paul,
In the same passage you remarked on, YHWH promises to bring Abraham's descendants out in the fourth generation, and taken in context with all other passages, together, and from the original, then YHWH did not say 400 years of affliction, nor was there.
Now God counted the four generations from:
1 Isaac
2 Jacob
3 Levi
4 Moses


Jochebed was Levi's daughter, married to Levi's grandson, because Levi is the father of the daughter who is the mother of Moses, then Moses is counted as the seed of the fourth generation, by YHWH. There are other times in the Word where a generation is counted from the father when a daughter is married to a grandson etc...

And Paul wrote that from the time of the promise was 430 years.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


#1 Paul said "counting the years from the time of the promise to the Law was 430 years".
So let's see:
The promise was given to Abraham when Abraham was X years old


Abraham was 100 when Isaac was born.

Isaac was 60 when Jacob was born
Jacob was 130 when he entered Egypt

That makes 190 years from Isaac's birth to the entry into Egypt.

Israel was in Egypt 210 years.

That means that Abraham was 70 when the promise was given to Abraham -which was after Abraham chased Nimrod and the kings who stole the goods and people and got them back, in Genesis 14.

So what history record says, in agreement with Paul and the Torah -the "inspired Torah" record- that Abraham was 70 when the promise was given? -The Book of Jasher, of course, in complete agreement with Paul and Moses, in Genesis.

Jasher 13, the promise -which Paul reckoned from the time of, to get 430 years:
 
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No, I think Luke honestly recorded Stephen's speech...I have no proof that it was written in later.
 
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Paul said from the promise to the Law was 430 years.
Stephen was quoting from a corrupted source which does not corroborate with the record in Genesis. Paul read the true history book and quoted things from it often.
Paul's source corroborates with Genesis, and Genesis is "Torah" and "thus saith YHWH" because Moses was instructed to write the Torah accounts.


Stephen's source was corrupted.

Just as Stephen's source was corrupted in that one proven fact, his was also corrupted in several more facts:
the age of Moses when he fled Egypt
his time in Midian
where he was before he went to Midian and what he did there -which was to become king of ancient Sudan -called Ethiopia today- and marry the widowed queen of That area, called Cush, in Hebrew [Sudan today] but Ethiopia in English translations.

So when Exodus states that Miriam and Aaron became jealous of Moses because of the "Ethiopian wife that he married", and God punished them, then the Genesis record is corroborating the history book of Jasher, again.
Moses' marriage was political expediency when he was asked to reign over Cush. He had learned warfare and defeated the enemies of Cush by his wisdom, so they asked him to reign....the king's son grew up and the wife wanted him to be king. Moses agreed and left Cush with many gifts, and went to Midian.
When in Midian, Moses ended up marrying a descendant of Abraham and Keturah, a midianite woman.
So Genesis mentions and corroborates the "Ethiopian/Cush" wife of Moses, which is detailed in the Upright Record" -and not needed to be rewritten for the Torah accounts.

 
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Exactly. Stephen was very familiar with jewish history, in fact was quoting from memory in this final speech.

The idea that Stephen somehow believed that Isaac, Jacob and Joseph were all enslaved is nothing short of silly. Of course he understood them as sojourning in a strange land not their own and didn't attribute the slave aspect to that time.

The only reason for impugning Stephen's historical knowledge is if it someone contradicts one's own knowledge. Stephen clearly affirms Genesis which contradicts Jashar (which YSM believes is inerrant), hence the existence of this thread.

Bottom line, never judge the Bible by other writings.

You know it's a bit ironic. YSM, you have claimed Stephen was working off corrupted sources. I'd say the same about you.
 
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Please stop making false claims about my beliefs. You are lying about what I have said or believe and making your lie to try to be the focus of this thread -and stop high-jacking it, as I had the good grace to leave yours when you requested me too. I request that you return the same courtesy.


I have often refuted with my own words what you are saying....stop trying to set yourself up as my judge and jury based on your own fallible beliefs.

In Acts, at Cornelius' house, Peter quoted from a corrupted account that was indeed "Jewish Fables" and not "inspired nor true history", but a mixture taken from both, and added myths made up so as to present the Law as the be-all-end all. Jesus corrected his wrong information when he let down the sheet with the unclean animals and said; "rise and eat", to teach Peter that his own tradition was in error.

Peter walked with Jesus for three and a half years, but the LORD did not try to correct all errors at that time, because He came to be The Way, The Truth, and The Life.
However, eventually, the LORD does correct errors, and Peter was corrected.

Paul was a scholar who knew the true history and quoted from it many times. Paul's words that the promise was 430 years before the Law refutes Stephen's corrupted account, so Paul was the LORD's way of correcting what Stephen said from corrupted texts.

Stephen was with the LORD by then, and the Church goes on, and the Church must learn, or be ignorant and promote myths.

Genesis, the inspired first book of the Torah, also refutes Stephen's corrupted account. Stephen really read it the way he said it, but his words do not agree with Genesis in that anyone can add up the years as I have shown, as they are given in the Torah, and see that Israel was in Egypt 210 years, and not oppressed until after Joseph died, who died 71 years after they entered Egypt.
Get that! "No oppression of Israel until after Joseph died, and oppression began as a creep. Moses was born to the daughter of Levi, Jochebed, only 57 years after Joseph died.

Until Joseph's death, Israel had the best of Egypt and lived in grand style....no oppression!!! -no slavery!



Acts 7:6 "But God spoke in this way: that his descendants would dwell in a foreign land, and that they would bring them into bondage and oppress them four hundred years. [tradition and error on Stephen's part.]


Do the math anyone; but the Upright Record, which Paul did read as is proved by his many references to what is written there, has already done the chronological record from the beginning. Torah agrees with the Book of Jasher in that accounting.
Paul agrees with Torah and the Book of Jasher in that accounting.

Paul said from the promise to the Law was 430 years.
Abraham was 70 years old when the promise was made!!! which makes the Jsher account rue and Paul correct, and Genes is correct in that Abraham was born to Terah when Terah was 70 years old!!!




Stephen was quoting from a corrupted source which does not corroborate with the record in Genesis. Paul read the true history book and quoted things from it often.
Paul's source corroborates with Genesis, and Genesis is "Torah" and "thus saith YHWH" because Moses was instructed to write the Torah accounts.


 
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I would only ask you to leave when you started going off topic, and rambling about the book of Jasher. You're asking me to leave because I'm effectively exposing your OP and showing a contradiction between jasher and Genesis.

And actually you need to stop being so evasive about what you really believe. On more than one occasion you have explained that you believe Jasher is 'true' and have used it to judge the Bible, like in the case of Stephen's historical teachings. But Stephen has been shown to be true. You on the other hand.....

Look if you say I'm not representing your views correctly on the accuracy of Jasher and Enoch set me straight. Here's a direct question. Do you think Jasher has errors? Do you think Genesis has errors? Honest answers to those two questions should clear the matter up.

Regarding the OP, I'm siding with Stephen. He had impeccable sources. You don't. I and other posters have shown that the 400/430 works out just perfectly. You keep posting these long-winded posts hoping people will get lost in the details. The truth is, Stephen was right, you are wrong.
 
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Corroborating Genesis, Book of Jasher, and Stephen's Speech

As I pointed out, Stephen's speech cannot possibly corroborate with Genesis or with the Book of Jasher, but the book of Jasher and Genesis do corroborate one another, as well as Paul's letter.
So we have three witnesses that corroborate one another: Torah, Book of Jasher, and Paul.

Paul also corroborates Jashers chronology in that Abraham was 70 years old when the promise was given, before he returned to Haran and departed again, at age 75.

Paul read that, and detailed the exact age Abraham was, as recorded in Jasher, when the promise was given.

The promise was given 430 years before the Law. Abraham was 70 years old, then.

After the promsie was given, Abraham was blessed in Canaan.
Isaac was blessed in Canaan.
Jacob returned to Canaan and was blessed in Canaan.
Jacob entered Egypt and was blessed in Egypt.

Israel was blessed in Egypt until Joseph's death.

They lived in the best land there.
They prospered and increased in numbers, until a new king arose who did not know Joseph.


Exd 1:8 Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.

Israel had been in Egypt only 71 years when Joseph died.

Moses was born only 57 years after Joseph died.

Moses was Levi's grandson through his mother.

Moses, Levi, and Miriam were the fourth generation from Abraham, as Jochebed was the daughter of Levi, fulfilling the promise to Abraham by God counting -
Isaac as 1 generation out
Jacob as the 2nd generation out
Levi as the 3rd generation out
-and because Jochebed was the daughter of Levi,
Moses, Aaron, and Miriam counted the 4th generation out.


For those who want to try to make a generation equal 400 years so as to reconcile the difficulties presented in the fact that the Torah says "in the 4th generation they shall return here", then note that by trying to make a claim that a generation equaled 100 years -making their claim even more problematic in that then they would also have to count Amram and Kohath [cause one good error deserves another] and make Moses, etc, then the 6th generation out; and thusly, in their own error, making it " counting each generations age, over 800 years" out, and ending in total confusion; then note that the Torah refutes their error:

Isaac lived to the age of 170 years.
Jacob lived to the age of 147 years
Levi lived to the age of 137
Kohath lived to the age of 133
Amram lived to age of 137
Moses was 82 when Israel was led out

They returned fourth generation out from Abraham, and Jochebed, Moses' mother, being married to her nephew is skipped by God in counting as a generation, just as he skips mothers when there is such a marriage in the genealogies from Noah to Christ, making 70 in all, because a mother who is married to the seed of a grandfather through his own son or grandson makes her son counted as the generation after the grandfather -and so on, because the seed is from the Father, and Jochebed is Levi's daughter, and her son is counted as his son, because her husband is the son of Levi's son and so on...
 
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The original manuscripts are inspired, and there are errors in translation in Genesis in some places, which make myths out of errors, and errors of ignorance in translations in English from Genesis.
Only translators' bias or ignorance cause errors in either of those books translations, and I do not consider Jasher inspired, as you have claimed that I do, because no history is inspired, even the histories in the accepted canons are not inspired, as the Jews will tell you truthfully, because only what is "Thus saith YHWH" is inspired, like the prophets [and Enoch is the first prophet whose writings we have], and the Torah, because God said to write it.

Just because a history book is accepted in a list/canon prepared by men does not make the information in it absolutely accurate, as all the Inspired "Thus saith YHWH" writings are -like Torah, the prophets, and Revelation are, and the records of Jesus' Gospel in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John differ in their accounts in places -and give the skeptics much fodder- because they were writing history as they saw it, not as "Thus saith YHWH". They wrote truthfully, and yet there are different accounts by them that just differ, which makes them more believable in a court of Law than if they all seemed to copy one another.

Even Acts is history, and not "Thus saith YHWH".
God can quicken a passage from those history books to us as a truth to apply to our hearts for a particular situation -to learn from them so as to direct our own actions- but that does not make them "Thus saith YHWH" as Torah and the prophets and Revelation are.

Other Church histories written after the "lists/canons" were made can also teach us and direct us and give us clarity how to conduct ourselves as Believers in this life -after we are saved/born of the Spirit.


That does not mean the histories are not accurate -they are much more accurate than Josephus' historical accounts, even, whose books to read from were limited because of the burnings of the records and what was left for him to have access to. The histories of Josephus' own times are accurate, though, because he lived through them.

For the record I believe that the Book of Jasher is a redacted history written by Moses which he wrote as a further redaction from the writings of the Patriarchs, themselves, but his own history in Jasher is expanded and not re-laid in the Torah, because it was already written in Jasher -but was referred to in Torah in many places. Moses redacted the Jasher history even further for the Torah accounts, because "Behold, it was written in the Upright Record".
That is my opinion, and I am entitled to it and I have good reasons to believe it is so.
 
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Corroborating Genesis and the Book of Jasher and Paul's writings:

Sunndenly out of the blue, with no prior foundation laid, we read this:
Exd 15:20
And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

Now we read that Moses and Aaron sister's name is Miriam, and that she is a prophetess -and in Micah, YHWH tells us that Miriam is an apostle/sent by YHWH along with Moses and Aaron to Israel:

Mic 6:4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Why do we not read the foundational reasons in Genesis and in Exodus for Miriam's name, and for Miriam being called a prophetess? -Because "behold! is it not written in the Book of Jasher"! -a companion history written to expound upon the lives of the Patriarchs mentioned in the Torah and up to the end of the Torah account!


Jasher 68:1-3 And it was at that time the spirit of God was upon Miriam the daughter of Amram the sister of Aaron, and she went forth and prophesied about the house, saying, Behold a son will be born unto us from my father and mother this time, and he will save Israel from the hands of Egypt.
And when Amram heard the words of his daughter, he went and took his wife back to the house, after he had driven her away at the time when Pharaoh ordered every male child of the house of Jacob to be thrown into the water.
So Amram took Jochebed his wife, three years after he had driven her away, and he came to her and she conceived.

Jesus also remarks on the "Record of the Upright" in calling Abel the first prophet whose blood was slain. But in Torah, there is no remark of Abel's prophesy -Why? -because behold, "it was written in the Book of the Upright"

Paul tells us the names of the magicians who withstood Moses at Pharaoah's court, as Jannes and Jambres; but behold! their names are not written in the Torah account because "Behold, they were written in the Book of Jasher, already"!

Jasher 79:27 And when they had gone Pharaoh sent for Balaam the magician and to Jannes and Jambres his sons, and to all the magicians and conjurors and counsellors which belonged to the king, and they all came and sat before the king.

2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
 
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Genesis is history. And Jasher contains thus says the Lord statements.


Utter nonsense. The Gospels are inspired and do not contradict anywhere. You on the other hand contradict yourself all the time. Your stories and theories are utter foolishness, from your floating Garden of Eden to your slandering of the gospels.

Even Acts is history, and not "Thus saith YHWH".

As is your slandering of Acts.

That does not mean the histories are not accurate

And this of course is your deceptive way of making Jasher equal to scripture.

That is my opinion, and I am entitled to it and I have good reasons to believe it is so.

And i'm entitled to call you out on your lies (claiming you don't make Jasher equal to the Bible) and foolish interpretations.
 
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My dear Tzadik, I fear you have been greatly deceived…the origin of the so-called Sepher ha’Yashar is admitted by all the Rabbis to be a late midrash (also called the Toldoth Adam) it is NOT the ancient work you believe it to be. I tell you this not to criticize you, but because I love you and care about your relationship with our Father.

It was created by a Rabbi (remember that Rabbis did not even exist in the time period covered) and was a compilation of tradition (some oral and some opinion) from the Babylonian Talmud, various Arabic legends, the pseudipigraphic “Chronicle of Moses”, and more….aside from various legends that grew up around the book and though our version comes from a 1613 text, it is alleged by most Rabbinical Scholars to have been written in Naples around 1552 (note the author’s knowledge of Italian place names when the land of “Italia” did not even exist in men’s minds in the time of the Torah accounts). Can’t you see that this is NOT the book of Yasher referred to in the Torah…the notion that Moses was born 57 years after Joseph is an obvious error or else an outright lie to discredit the Genesis account.

Scholar Dean Shuab points out many contradictions between the Bible and the book of Jasher, he shows us…

Jasher 13:5 says that Abram went to the land of Canaan at the age of 50 then back to Haran and back to Canaan at age 75, Genesis 12:4 states that Abram was 75 when he departed Haran.

Jasher 18:9 states that one of the angels tells Abraham that Sarah will have a son, but Gen. 17:16 says that God told Abraham (after the third century most Rabbis did not believe YHVH would ever come on the flesh because they had been so influenced as to believe spirit = good and flesh = evil…a sadly gnostic distortion but necessary to deny Moshiach’s deity). The Torah tells us that YHVH sent the two angels to Sodom to rain fire and brimstone down upon them from YHVH in heaven but this makes YHVH Who is manifest in the flesh in the tent of Abraham a mere angel (not even the Angel of the LORD who is the YHVH of Exodus 3)

Jasher 22:44-45 says the Lord got the idea of presenting Isaac as an offering from Isaacs boast to Ishmael. We know, of course, that God is sovereign and as it says in Gen. 22:1-2 & 12 that the Lord was testing Abraham.

Genesis 28:5 states that Isaac sent Jacob to Padan-aram unto Laban, but Jasher 29:11 says that he fled to the house of Eber and hid there for 14 years.

Jasher 47:9 says Isaac dies, according to the chronology of Jasher, Joseph was in Egypt but in Gen. 35:29 Isaac died before Joseph even had his dreams (which is true? Torah or Jasher?).

Simeon could not be bound in Jasher 51:37 but in Genesis. 42:24 Simeon is bound before their eyes.

Jahser 78:12-13 -- Pharaoh proclaims no more straw but same amount of bricks (before Moses even goes to Pharaoh.) Exodus 5:1,7-8 says it happened after Moses confronts Pharaoh.

In Jasher 42:30-41, Rachel talks to Joseph from the grave. This is of course necromancy and is an abomination unto the Lord (Deuteronomy 18:11-12).

According to 53:18-22 Benjamin used a "map (or chart) of stars" to find Joseph. Deuteronomy 18:10 forbids this and the Bible tells us how they found Joseph.

Chapter 71 of the Book of Jasher teaches that Moses was 18 years old when he left Egypt and he didn’t go to Midian but to Cush where he becomes their king (72:34-36)?

Jasher 81:3-4 claims that the Israelites sojourned in Egypt for 210 years whereas the Scripture repeatedly say it was 430 years.

Jasher 43:35 -- Isaac went from Hebron to comfort Jacob, his son, because Joseph is dead (sold). Gen. 35:27-29 Isaac died before Joseph is sold by his brothers

And there is more but this should suffice…

Please do not be persuaded…make the Scriptures your rule of thumb. Do not judge scripture in the light of men’s tales, but judge men’s tales in the light of Holy Scripture. I also found the 1st and 2nd Books of Adam and Eve to be intriguing fiction but would not think they are inspired by God (theopneustos graphae). Go with God...this Jasher (and I do not mean pseudo-Jasher) is a book of elaborated fables and nothing more. The Lord bless you...

In His love

Paul
 
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If you had honestly researched the Book of Jasher for yourself instead of looking up and pasting from this: An Overview of the Book of Jasher, then We could have an honest go at resolving any questions you may have, but since they are not honestly your own and you got them from someone else, by pasting instead of honest research, the debate would be dishonest and I am not inclined to write a book to refute another book with you as the middle man, doing no honest research of your own, using a site which is in much error by its author's own ignorance of what is said, when, and where, and how the real Book of Jasher does not in any way contradict one thing in the Torah, but rather complements it and also enlightens us as to what the history is of the times before Israel entered Canaan.

Let me point out that the history of the nations around Egypt and Canaan at the time of Moses' writing and of the years of Israel in Egypt are corroborated by many facts that no one could know who did not live in the times.
Just one point is that the name of the city of Naples, Italy is said in the Encyclopedia Britannica to be unknown where the name came from, but in Jasher, in one of the wars that is described, a King's son named Niblos was killed, and buried with pomp there, and that place was called NBlS to this day -there are no vowels in the old writings, and niblos becomes naples. b-p are labials and interchange language to language.

 
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