Cornell University - Vaccination not Preventing Infection

[sfs]

Well if all who are infected have the same viral levels, all are contagious at that time.

Whereas all of the ones who weren't infected because they were vaccinated aren't contagious at all. Plus the shorter infectious period for the vaccinated. Plus, there is evidence that less of the virus shed by vaccinated people is infectious -- some has been neutralized by antibodies. (This last effect probably wanes along with circulating antibody levels.)

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Whereas all of the ones who weren't infected because they were vaccinated aren't contagious at all. Plus the shorter infectious period for the vaccinated. Plus, there is evidence that less of the virus shed by vaccinated people is infectious -- some has been neutralized by antibodies. (This last effect probably wanes along with circulating antibody levels.)

Lots of vaccinated people are getting covid. Read the news. Those who have already recovered aren't contagious at all because they are not getting it.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

What? The vaccinated tend to be contagious for a shorter period of time. They may hit the same peak, but that is only one factor to consider.

Also people are probably more apt to spread the disease before they hit their peak. People are most contagious when they are ill but do not know it yet. People that know that they are ill tend to stay at home. They are not contagious if they do not see anyone. It is when people have it but don't know it that they are the greatest risk to others.

Yeah, exactly. ALL may be contagious at the same time. You just don't know what time period that is.

Yes, it is also true that like any virus, it can be spread in the prodromal period, and that once someone knows he is ill, he hopefully stays home. NO argument there that they aren't spreading it if they aren't seeing people. And it largely has been spread to millions of people who have already recovered. Upward of 100 million, last I looked.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

They are still more apt to spread the virus than the vaccinated. Those that have officially have been infected is roughly 45 million. Even if you double that to 90 million you still have a sizeable population that the last time that I checked was on the order of at least 6 times more likely to be infected. Until the unvaccinated is a rather small percentage they will still be the major threat.

The unvaccinated are a small percentage by now. We have what, 180 million vaccinated with at least one dose (and we already know that largely does the job) and another 100 million already recovered or exposed who never got ill, a fact discovered because of antibodies found in testing.

It's time to move away from this draconian, top-down, control-freak stuff advocated among certain quarters.

 

[Bradskii]

Do I see a trend here?

I don't want to take it.
You can't make me take it.
Hey, everyone else has had it so now I don't have to take it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, exactly. ALL may be contagious at the same time. You just don't know what time period that is.

Yes, it is also true that like any virus, it can be spread in the prodromal period, and that once someone knows he is ill, he hopefully stays home. NO argument there that they aren't spreading it if they aren't seeing people. And it largely has been spread to millions of people who have already recovered. Upward of 100 million, last I looked.

You are still ignoring the math that refutes you.

 

[KCfromNC]

Lots of vaccinated people are getting covid. Read the news.

Interesting how quickly the stories change when actual data is used to address previous stories.

Anyway, lots of people are getting covid in general. Many more of them are unvaccinated than vaccinated. Not sure why that fact would be seen as a reason to remain unvaccinated.

Those who have already recovered aren't contagious at all because they are not getting it.

That's not true.

 

[KCfromNC]

The unvaccinated are a small percentage by now. We have what, 180 million vaccinated with at least one dose (and we already know that largely does the job) and another 100 million already recovered or exposed who never got ill, a fact discovered because of antibodies found in testing.

Assuming these claims are true (and at least one is an obvious falsehood), that still leaves 50 million unvaccinated people here in the US. That's not a particularly small number.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The unvaccinated are a small percentage by now. We have what, 180 million vaccinated with at least one dose (and we already know that largely does the job)

..for a short time only. The second dose creates a longer lasting immunity, but even that is not forever.

and another 100 million already recovered or exposed who never got ill, a fact discovered because of antibodies found in testing.

The fact that someone has detectable levels of antibodies does not mean they had a sufficient infection recently enough to still have immunity now.

It's time to move away from this draconian, top-down, control-freak stuff advocated among certain quarters.

That "draconian top-down, control-freak stuff" is what eradicated polio in the US, and in most of the world.

 

[stevil]

Lots of vaccinated people are getting covid. Read the news. Those who have already recovered aren't contagious at all because they are not getting it.

Except for that first time that they already got it. When 1-3% of them died and they passed it around and killed others.
Except for that first time, if we ignore that one, Oh and if we also ignore the fact that some people with natural immunity still get break through infections.