Do you believe Bible and the Word of God which is still inspired to this day by the Holy Spirit should have copyrights ???
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Do you believe that the translators that worked on it should be paid?
There are a number of non-copyrighted Bible versions, though.
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Keachian
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Such as this one: World English Bible British Edition
Most other modern ones I have seen online of late appear to be renames of that one.
Most other modern ones I have seen online of late appear to be renames of that one.
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Was Paul getting paid for writing his letters???
Materialistically, do people deserve credit and compansation for something that comes from God???
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2 Corinthians 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? Or do we need, as some others, epistles of commendation to you or letters of commendation from you?
2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
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1 Timothy 5:17-18: The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. For Scripture says, Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain, and The worker deserves his wages.
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Keachian
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No, though he did say that he could have asked for support but didn't in order that those that couldn't support themselves did have support and have it in abundance.
Translations do not come from God, neither do critical texts, nor printed texts, nor scribed texts, often I've found that copyright holders of these also donate to translation projects for least reached groups, Biblia who own the copyright to the NIV do, as does Crossway (ESV) and Tyndale (NLT, LB) sometimes even subsidising printing costs for these new translations to get them into the hands of these least reached groups for free.
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Copyright is a modern concept of intellectual property rights. But even Paul had a problem with people writing things that they claimed were by him. That's why he tried to verify what documents were truly by him by saying things like "I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. This is the mark in every letter of mine; it is the way I write." --2 Thes 3:17, NRSV. This shows that Paul himself would like the idea of preserving original authorship and asking people not to alter what he wrote. And that is, fundamentally, what copyright is.
There are many kinds of copyrights out there. For instance, the translation I am working on (the heavenly fire), is being made with a Creative Commons copyright license that allows anyone to use it for anything including commercial publication so long as they 1. attribute it in the manner I specify (very easy!) and 2. do not alter the translation. That's it. If someone doesn't like my translation, they can always use someone else's. But the underlying Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts that form the word of God are all free and available everywhere so that anyone with enough skill can, like myself, read them and make use of them.
There are many kinds of copyrights out there. For instance, the translation I am working on (the heavenly fire), is being made with a Creative Commons copyright license that allows anyone to use it for anything including commercial publication so long as they 1. attribute it in the manner I specify (very easy!) and 2. do not alter the translation. That's it. If someone doesn't like my translation, they can always use someone else's. But the underlying Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts that form the word of God are all free and available everywhere so that anyone with enough skill can, like myself, read them and make use of them.
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If it is God's word, as long as He gets all the credit and anyone can quote it freely then I say yes...if some bunch of modern intellectuals want to get rich I say no to them.
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seeingeyes
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If you want an uncopyrighted Bible translation, then get to work! No reason you can't do it.
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Actually a few companies got quite rich (like Zondervan), but I was being sarcastic. My point was the laws of Intellectual Property Rights in the modern west are a bit much. It use to be when you quote someone as long as you give the name of the author, source, and publishing company you were good (may have to pay royalties in certain cases) but now if I want to include a certain portion of something someone said or wrote you need their permission even just to print their name (unless you are just giving your opinion) and if they do not want to give it but you print it anyway this can lead to legal problems.
For me, when it comes to the word of God, this should not be the case (assuming the translator is a Christian or Christian group). Just my opinion.
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A copyright means you want armed men (the government) to threaten with violence and plunder those who repeat your words or ideas. While the concept of physical, private property is Biblical, I do not see any grounds for applying the notion of private property to immaterial things like words and ideas. The fact that copyright laws differ from place to place and from time to time shows that there is no fixed standard for them. They are simply 'positive' human law. Besides, if translators want their translation to become the most popular, let them remove the copyright and see what happens.
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Without copyright you can't defend the integrity of the work; someone (lets say the JWs for example) can take your translation, change bits of it to suit the theology, and republish it still as your translation. Copyright isn't just about making money - hence things like Creative Commons.
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Try using their material without their express permission and make money at it, and they will sue you. Secondly, they publish various Bibles (an NIV, a Chain Reference Bible, The Amplified Bible, and more) to make money...
The word of God should not be subject to the laws of this government and people who are Christians should not use it for personal financial gain. JMO
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Yeh, but they make money from publishing, not from translating. It's not the intellectuals making significant money but the businessmen. Don't like it - don't buy their translation, though you'll struggle for a good one that's not copyright they're not all money spinners.
It isn't. It's the "added value" of translating or whatever else that is protected. The original text is free of that.
There's nothing unbiblical about earning a living in God's service.
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