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[Fireinfolding]

Wow, glad for this forum because I have a question and maybe someone here might know how to answer it. This come to me as I just finished changing out our water reserves for the next six months (and now I just want to pass out) because that is tiring.

Okay, my question is this, we have a septic system and we have a pool. And I thought, man, if our well pump ever dies (which it is due) it would be great to be able pull out water from the pool for stuff like flushing the toilets, but the chlorine wouldnt do the septic system any good (it would actually cause problems) because it relies on all that gross bateria stuff to do its job (whereas chlorine kills it).

So, I was trying to think of a solution, and wondering if there was some way to nuetralize the chlorine as we draw from the pool (without having to boil the water to do so) since its only going to be use it for flushing?

Because the last time our pump went out the cost of hauling water was just crazy (having no place to even store it). But ofcourse we had just moved here, and prepared for nothing (at all) and we three were without water for 3 months along with our 5 dogs, 5 goats, a pig (and two extra house guests) who unfortunately chose the wrong time to come visit us (what a nightmare).

The pool alone made it possible to bathe (as best we could) the laundry mat was a fortune (until we added on a water catchment to the roof) then while we collected the water we dropped a pump and ran the hose to the washing machine (doing our laundry by rainwater (which rocks this world) because we have that hard well water, I would chose rainwater anyday (clothes were so soft).

Well, the things we have done huh?

I need to be able to nuetralize this chlorine somehow, can anyone help on this?

Thanks!

(P.S) We are also seeking to buy a generator at this time, I will open up another thread on that, so if you have reccomendations let me know.

 

[MWood]

Wow, glad for this forum because I have a question and maybe someone here might know how to answer it. This come to me as I just finished changing out our water reserves for the next six months (and now I just want to pass out) because that is tiring.

Okay, my question is this, we have a septic system and we have a pool. And I thought, man, if our well pump ever dies (which it is due) it would be great to be able pull out water from the pool for stuff like flushing the toilets, but the chlorine wouldnt do the septic system any good (it would actually cause problems) because it relies on all that gross bateria stuff to do its job (whereas chlorine kills it).

So, I was trying to think of a solution, and wondering if there was some way to nuetralize the chlorine as we draw from the pool (without having to boil the water to do so) since its only going to be use it for flushing?

Because the last time our pump went out the cost of hauling water was just crazy (having no place to even store it). But ofcourse we had just moved here, and prepared for nothing (at all) and we three were without water for 3 months along with our 5 dogs, 5 goats, a pig (and two extra house guests) who unfortunately chose the wrong time to come visit us (what a nightmare).

The pool alone made it possible to bathe (as best we could) the laundry mat was a fortune (until we added on a water catchment to the roof) then while we collected the water we dropped a pump and ran the hose to the washing machine (doing our laundry by rainwater (which rocks this world) because we have that hard well water, I would chose rainwater anyday (clothes were so soft).

Well, the things we have done huh?

I need to be able to nuetralize this chlorine somehow, can anyone help on this?

Thanks!

(P.S) We are also seeking to buy a generator at this time, I will open up another thread on that, so if you have reccomendations let me know.

The last I heard, three weeks ago, was that Lowes had a 22kW on sale for 3300. This price includes the transfer switch and the load shed electronics for when your generator is overloaded and the voltage drops below 220 volts. Quite a steal compared to the regular price of 4600.

The sun will neutralize the chlorine in your pool. That is the reason you have to continually add chlorine.

 

[Cernunnos]

Carbon filters on your reverse osmosis unit should do the trick. . . . (implies you will be getting a reverse osmosis unit) If things are going sideways in a way that you need to use pool water. . . it wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the water you have is going through an effective purifier.

But yeah, the sun. . . over a bit of time.

 

[Fireinfolding]

The last I heard, three weeks ago, was that Lowes had a 22kW on sale for 3300. This price includes the transfer switch and the load shed electronics for when your generator is overloaded and the voltage drops below 220 volts. Quite a steal compared to the regular price of 4600.

The sun will neutralize the chlorine in your pool. That is the reason you have to continually add chlorine.

Hey thanks, I saw your post on my other thread, but I am going to pass on a whole house generator.

Now I know that you can even boil it out (if you must) but lets just say, you just shocked your pool (but your well pump went out that very day) not your electric (per se') just the pump (the ability to get water to the house) I want to be able to take a bucket and use the water from the pool for flushing (immediately) and so what I was looking for was some kind of nuetralizing agent (or combination of agents) to have on hand for something like that. Because I dont want to stop adding the chlorine to the pool because if our well pump is out (for the entire house) our only means of bathing (as gross as that sounds) would be the pool (beggars cant be chosers) but if that was left unchlorinated that couldnt serve that particular purpose then.

And hey, if we had rain that would be great (and we could use that, no doubt) even as we fill our pool through a water catchment off our roof, but I was just looking for another way to do this, and its good to have a few options to refer to in various predicaments.

I heard there are nuetralizing agents for chlorinated water just as there are various agents to purify water, and I just wanted the right combination (if there is one) that wouldnt negatively affect the bacteria in the septic system (or field).

Folks who might have some ideas along those lines as well.

Thanks

 

[Fireinfolding]

Carbon filters on your reverse osmosis unit should do the trick. . . . (implies you will be getting a reverse osmosis unit) If things are going sideways in a way that you need to use pool water. . . it wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the water you have is going through an effective purifier.

But yeah, the sun. . . over a bit of time.

I got rid of ours actually we have no system at all, just well water, no filters, bleach tank, reverse osmosis, nothing. Just water from the ground for 12 years. Now I do have a berkly water purifier (still in its box) which is to be used at such a time when we might have to drink rainwater, although I have thought solar panels for the the pool motor would be the least expensive in comparision to solar panels pulling up water from a depth of 700 feet (thats how deep our well is) last time I looked I couldnt find a handpump that will bring up water from that depth. But the solar to do that job was the price of a car given our location, we have like low solar vibes here or something. So I thought, rainwater to drink (passive system) and pool water to bathe (and that motor would take less power to run).

Im still working this out.

I think going potty behind a tree will be cheaper then buying a reverse osmosising water thingy just so the water isnt as sparkly as it heads into a crapper tank, I seriously have to think of our priorities here

 

[tturt]

Rid-X?

It will take a few days depending on how much chlorine there is.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Rid-X?

It will take a few days depending on how much chlorine there is.

You have a reliable source for that information?

How on earth would that even work?

Or how is that better than (even faster than, or more practical than) sitting the water out and letting the chlorine just evaporate for the same number of days?

Throw rid-x in a bucket to rid it of chlorine by letting sit there for days before you pour it into the back tank of your toilet (just to flush it)?

I cant even imagine using that method, did you just make that up?

Besides, the pool water would also get gross with all that brown yeasty stuff in rid x.

I heard theres some kind of chemical combination that immediately nuetralizes chlorine that I was interested in and thought someone here might have heard of it.

I have heard of campden tablets for dechlorination and the use of vitatim C tablets and there was another one I was fishing for (a combo) but I will see what I can find on the net, I must be running the wrong search words.

 

[Grafted In]

ST....sodium thiosulfate. You can buy it at chemistry websites in crystal form or pay about 1000x that price in liquid form at any store that sells live fish.

 

[Grafted In]

I suggest doing some homework prior to using ST. Many municipalities are using cloramine instead of chlorine and if I'm not mistaken, if you neutralize cloramine with ST the result will be higher nitrite which has to gas off in the absence of the right species of bacteria.
Don'T take my word for it, though. Research it yourself to be safe.

 

[Fireinfolding]

ST....sodium thiosulfate. You can buy it at chemistry websites in crystal form or pay about 1000x that price in liquid form at any store that sells live fish.

Yep, thats one of them too, thanks, I couldnt recall the name of it. And the granual form would be more desirable I would think. Even as I am trying to avoid the liquid versions of things. I couldnt figure out why I should even bother to store up on bleach (as some folks tell you to) since its liquid form expires within 12 months, whereas the granual form of the same (Or Calcium hyperchlorite) would be the much better option to set aside.

But in that case the powdered form is more economical.

I do often, I run into these strange chemical road blocks, and you give a perfect example of one of those.

Then, because I stink at math, making sense of the measurements in all these concentrated forms in these things is always my next headache.

I would rather just get hit by a truck (it would be so much easier lol)

 

[Fireinfolding]

I suggest doing some homework prior to using ST. Many municipalities are using cloramine instead of chlorine and if I'm not mistaken, if you neutralize cloramine with ST the result will be higher nitrite which has to gas off in the absence of the right species of bacteria.
Don'T take my word for it, though. Research it yourself to be safe.

I am on well water (here) not on municipality water system, and we are talking nuetralizing pool chlorine, unless pool companies arent using chlorine, I would have to ask my husband he puts the chlorine in not me.

And I will check up on things before I take anyone advice (no worries)

Thanks

 

[tturt]

Posted "but the chlorine wouldnt do the septic system any good (it would actually cause problems) because it relies on all that gross bateria stuff to do its job (whereas chlorine kills it)."

So if the chlorined pool water does go into the septic tank, Rid-x puts the gross bacteria stuff back in - I'm sure there are other products that do the same thing.

http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml

Lowe's carries this product for example.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

In rural parts of the US, many of us have septic tanks. We own a home in the upstate that has a septic tank. It had to be pumped out once because it filled up. When we get back there we will being the practice of using a ridx type product.

 

[Armoured]

Wow, glad for this forum because I have a question and maybe someone here might know how to answer it. This come to me as I just finished changing out our water reserves for the next six months (and now I just want to pass out) because that is tiring.

Okay, my question is this, we have a septic system and we have a pool. And I thought, man, if our well pump ever dies (which it is due) it would be great to be able pull out water from the pool for stuff like flushing the toilets, but the chlorine wouldnt do the septic system any good (it would actually cause problems) because it relies on all that gross bateria stuff to do its job (whereas chlorine kills it).

So, I was trying to think of a solution, and wondering if there was some way to nuetralize the chlorine as we draw from the pool (without having to boil the water to do so) since its only going to be use it for flushing?

Because the last time our pump went out the cost of hauling water was just crazy (having no place to even store it). But ofcourse we had just moved here, and prepared for nothing (at all) and we three were without water for 3 months along with our 5 dogs, 5 goats, a pig (and two extra house guests) who unfortunately chose the wrong time to come visit us (what a nightmare).

The pool alone made it possible to bathe (as best we could) the laundry mat was a fortune (until we added on a water catchment to the roof) then while we collected the water we dropped a pump and ran the hose to the washing machine (doing our laundry by rainwater (which rocks this world) because we have that hard well water, I would chose rainwater anyday (clothes were so soft).

Well, the things we have done huh?

I need to be able to nuetralize this chlorine somehow, can anyone help on this?

Thanks!

(P.S) We are also seeking to buy a generator at this time, I will open up another thread on that, so if you have reccomendations let me know.

Maybe look at non-chlorine alternatives for your pool?

 

[Cernunnos]

Of course, a composting toilet (just one) would also negate the whole issue by bypassing the septic altogether.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thanks.

Yes, I have already looked at alternatives but I was looking for something more specific to nuetralize chlorine,

I am done asking questions here.

Maybe look at non-chlorine alternatives for your pool?

Awhile back when I was looking to avoid chemicals (altogether) I came across some sort of ball device that used the sun to clean it or something, I dont even know if that got decent reviews or worked, but was more a gimmick of some sort, ionization would require electric and even though I would like to steer away from that, it wouldnt be a bad idea to save money overall if I could sell the idea to the hubby.

I will have to explore that area, thanks

 

[Fireinfolding]

Of course, a composting toilet (just one) would also negate the whole issue by bypassing the septic altogether.

I thought of this as well (and love the idea). In fact I was looking into one of those tiny homes but when calling the township that become problematic in the zoning dept in someway, besides our subdivision doesnt allow for other structures (discouraging the any trailor like lawn ornaments from parking themselves there).

I still would though, if I wasnt on a concrete slab, I would just buy a ton of that peat stuff, I think thats a great idea.

I did call two septic guys today, waiting for a return call, I should have asked them directly. I told them I needed something to nuetralize my pool water in order to flush it (which is safe for our mmm..."mmmm good" bacteria lovin' concrete waste cave).

Can you imagine?

I would love to bypass the septic, I called a porta john place just to see how much it would cost to rent one and it was cheap, I think I misheard this price, but around $70 a month, which is far cheaper then buying the water needed to flush, or being bothered. They even sell them, but I think I would opt for a little homemade outhouse.

I like this one, although maybe a tad bigger

I wonder if it ever gets full though?

I know nothing bout outhouses

 

[Armoured]

Thanks.

Yes, I have already looked at alternatives but I was looking for something more specific to nuetralize chlorine,

I am done asking questions here.





Awhile back when I was looking to avoid chemicals (altogether) I came across some sort of ball device that used the sun to clean it or something, I dont even know if that got decent reviews or worked, but was more a gimmick of some sort, ionization would require electric and even though I would like to steer away from that, it wouldnt be a bad idea to save money overall if I could sell the idea to the hubby.

I will have to explore that area, thanks

I don't know much about the specifics, but I did read an article about "natural" ecologically cleaned pools, basically they partition a section of the pool off, it has plants and fish in it, keeps the rest of the pool clean. I don't know much more than that, but that might be enough for you to look into or ask questions about, maybe?

 

[Armoured]

I thought of this as well (and love the idea). In fact I was looking into one of those tiny homes but when calling the township that become problematic in the zoning dept in someway, besides our subdivision doesnt allow for other structures (discouraging the any trailor like lawn ornaments from parking themselves there).

I still would though, if I wasnt on a concrete slab, I would just buy a ton of that peat stuff, I think thats a great idea.

I did call two septic guys today, waiting for a return call, I should have asked them directly. I told them I needed something to nuetralize my pool water in order to flush it (which is safe for our mmm..."mmmm good" bacteria lovin' concrete waste cave).

Can you imagine?

I would love to bypass the septic, I called a porta john place just to see how much it would cost to rent one and it was cheap, I think I misheard this price, but around $70 a month, which is far cheaper then buying the water needed to flush, or being bothered. They even sell them, but I think I would opt for a little homemade outhouse.

I like this one, although maybe a tad bigger

I wonder if it ever gets full though?

I know nothing bout outhouses

Depends on the type, and the amount of use. "Drop" toilets traditionally need to be resited every so often, however I have heard many positive things about "methane reactors", apparently you can generate viable power supplies from them.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I don't know much about the specifics, but I did read an article about "natural" ecologically cleaned pools, basically they partition a section of the pool off, it has plants and fish in it, keeps the rest of the pool clean. I don't know much more than that, but that might be enough for you to look into or ask questions about, maybe?

I would even love a tilapia pool (that could be doable) because I love that fish and they multiply like rabbits too ( hey multiply fishes, where have I heard that before?) and I could feed my entire zipcode with a few small fishes (!) and all because of this flush question.

Clean water (a free fish filtration system) a place to poop (and flush safely) and some dinner to boot

This seems pretty economical and is like a win win across the board.

Ingenious Armoured, I love you