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wannaberocker
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Its not brainwashing. There's alot of abuse going on in the food industry both meat and dairy. And i'm hardly a fan of PETA extremism. I think even those who choose to eat meat and dairy could do a lot of good in their stewardship towards the animals we're supposed to care for if they were more vigilant about where they choose to buy their food from. Its rampant. But its possible to buy it from places where the animals are treated humanely. Those places tend to be few and far between, unfortunately so it requires research and planning.
And my pets are my babies
But that's my point how do we define humane and inhumane treatment? If the end is to be a dead animal, then what is a humane or inhumane way to kill an animal? Were the Old Testament sacrifices inhumane? When animals eat other animals is it humane?
Now of course I don't believe that animals should be tortured or anything like that. But, how an animal is killed or if its coup is to small before slaughter is a non issue to me.
The fact is that we have so humanized animals that we talk about "Their quality of life" which not that long ago was pretty much a human concepts. THe same can be said about the "pet babies" and the "pet parents". Its is propaganda that brainwashes people into believe that animals are on the same level as humans. There are now commercials that run about considering your pet's "Feelings".
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Well a lot of what ya said are human concepts converted to include animals. Ie. Freedom, dignity, respect and comfort. These concepts are not found in the wild. So a lot of what ya said might sound harsh and abusive to city folk. But, Its certainly not abuse from natures standpoint. I mean do ya think feces are something that animals find vile like humans? Not really most animals role around In their own feces on their own. You think when a pride of lions attacks a baby calf they are thinking “dignity” or is the baby calf thinking “well you gonna eat me at least kill me with some dignity”.
MY point is that human concepts like freedom, dignity, respect and comfort are not concepts that should be or are convertible to animals. You are intelligent enough to realize that if we accept today that these concepts hold true for animals also. Then the natural logical progression is to say that “eating animals is also abuse, holding animals is also abuse and killing animals is also abuse”.
MY point is that human concepts like freedom, dignity, respect and comfort are not concepts that should be or are convertible to animals. You are intelligent enough to realize that if we accept today that these concepts hold true for animals also. Then the natural logical progression is to say that “eating animals is also abuse, holding animals is also abuse and killing animals is also abuse”.
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No in the wild animals choose to roll around in their own feces. Again, this concept that animals somehow have the same reaction towards feces as human's is simply wishful thinking. Animals simply do not have the same reaction towards feces as humans do. The fact that animals in the wild role around in their feces is something that proves that point.
God didn't create animals so we could take care of them. That idea would imply that animals were the primary creation while human's were the secondary creation to serve the primary creation. NO, God created animals for the benefit of Humans, to be subservient to human beings and not the other way around.
Lastly, the almighty might dollar view is a fairly narrow minded way of looking at it. The fact of the matter is that if you remove all the large companies that produce meat and dairy products. You would end up with a shortage which would result in sky rocketing prices on the limited supply of meat and dairy products. That in turn would result in middle to low income people suffering from food shortages. As much as we decry mass production and large companies in this business. Just go to a country where there are food shortages. These large companies play a massive role in feeding people. I don't care what the driving force behind the production is the fact remains they serve a purpose. THey feed people and allow people the choice to consume what they produce.
No, I never said that you believe eating animals is abuse. However, that is the logical conclusion one gets if they follow the humanistic ideas you associate with animals (like freedom, dignity and comfort). If we are to believe that animals require freedom, Then we must logically conclude that pets must be freed. Then we must conclude that Zoo's must be closed down. Then we must conclude that the meat and dairy industry must all be shut down simply because if freedom is so important. Then taking the life of an animal has to rank higher and destructive than simply taking away an animals freedom.little tigress said:
Again, im not suggest that this is what you believe. Im simply saying that, that is the logical train of thought one must follow if we start associating humanistic ideas such as freedom and dignity with animals.
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wannaberocker
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I made cake yesterday, ill take a pic and post. I hate even calling it a cake cause its so simply and easy. But oh well.
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wannaberocker
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I got an idea to make it better. Im thinking what if I add a layer of ice-cream? to it next time.
In theory it sounds like it would make it tasty good. What do ya think?
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