Before you begin reading this, please keep in mind that i am not trying to insult anyone's beliefs. However, i will continue to vigorously do my best to proof your side to be somehow falsified from reality.
The reason I am creating this thread is not to start up a fight, but merely to find my way through the tunnel towards the light. which is where your help comes in. I have never met anyone with a least biased opinion or more open mind to anything than myself (sorry if that seemed arrogant saying that)
I, Personally, have been an atheist all my life. Even with the odds stacked against me while having a "hardcore" Jewish side (fathers side) along with a "hardcore" Christian side (mothers side). Both of which tried to lead me and my sisters towards their views of gods doings. So, being the questioner that i am, i always seeked answers rather than stating that if the majority of people couldn't explain it, it must be gods work.
I have talked with (literally) hundreds of religious Christians to try and decipher what is reality and fact. Unfortunately, i have stumped ever one of them, put them through submission, and even lead them out of their religion, which is not my intent. As I stated before, I wish to be converted. Why? because it does seem nice to go to somewhere once you die, however i don't agree with a lot of the reasoning behind why people believe this.
For example, it seems that just because people tell others that you will go through pain and suffering for infinity once you die if you are not a good person, is simply a horrible reason why you should be a good person. If you be good because you fear being spanked doesn't mean your a good person.
So far i do not believe that god can be proven, and many people (including theists) will agree with me. which doesn't make much sense to me. Why would someone believe in something if it cannot be proven? (other than through fear or force). Every bit of "evidence" towards gods existence is all speculation from what i can see, there for, it doesn't seem logical that anyone would believe in it.
Creationism is the worst for the evidence bit, as so much points otherwise with backed up information, textbooks of tests and retests and lab notes and so on. so many times i have heard "its in the bible" as an excuse for evidence of existence, yet aren't text books in principle the same thing (in the account that it is a compilation of information gathered over time by numerous individuals coming up with the same story)?
At the moment, there is not exact way that both science and religion can initially prove the beginning of the universe. both have their theories. however, they are still theories both logical to the proposing side.
so many things are unanswered, and so many things have been dis-proven. So, i ask of you, please, try to convert me to Christianity. But! Expect a response to your statements that may very well lead to the changing of someones life.
thanks for reading.
The reason I am creating this thread is not to start up a fight, but merely to find my way through the tunnel towards the light. which is where your help comes in. I have never met anyone with a least biased opinion or more open mind to anything than myself (sorry if that seemed arrogant saying that)
I, Personally, have been an atheist all my life. Even with the odds stacked against me while having a "hardcore" Jewish side (fathers side) along with a "hardcore" Christian side (mothers side). Both of which tried to lead me and my sisters towards their views of gods doings. So, being the questioner that i am, i always seeked answers rather than stating that if the majority of people couldn't explain it, it must be gods work.
I have talked with (literally) hundreds of religious Christians to try and decipher what is reality and fact. Unfortunately, i have stumped ever one of them, put them through submission, and even lead them out of their religion, which is not my intent. As I stated before, I wish to be converted. Why? because it does seem nice to go to somewhere once you die, however i don't agree with a lot of the reasoning behind why people believe this.
For example, it seems that just because people tell others that you will go through pain and suffering for infinity once you die if you are not a good person, is simply a horrible reason why you should be a good person. If you be good because you fear being spanked doesn't mean your a good person.
So far i do not believe that god can be proven, and many people (including theists) will agree with me. which doesn't make much sense to me. Why would someone believe in something if it cannot be proven? (other than through fear or force). Every bit of "evidence" towards gods existence is all speculation from what i can see, there for, it doesn't seem logical that anyone would believe in it.
Creationism is the worst for the evidence bit, as so much points otherwise with backed up information, textbooks of tests and retests and lab notes and so on. so many times i have heard "its in the bible" as an excuse for evidence of existence, yet aren't text books in principle the same thing (in the account that it is a compilation of information gathered over time by numerous individuals coming up with the same story)?
At the moment, there is not exact way that both science and religion can initially prove the beginning of the universe. both have their theories. however, they are still theories both logical to the proposing side.
so many things are unanswered, and so many things have been dis-proven. So, i ask of you, please, try to convert me to Christianity. But! Expect a response to your statements that may very well lead to the changing of someones life.
thanks for reading.
