Convert me?

[TheMastahC]

As of right now, I'm more or less an atheist. Although I want to be converted. I don't believe in a god. I also don't believe in creationism. I find evolution to do a much better job at explaining things.

So what I'm asking is for someone to convert me. This is you're chance to convert an atheist that's willing to change. What I want is people to Email me with whatever tricks they have that can show me 'the light'. If you have a question or statement that proves the existants of god, or disproves the existance of evolution, I want to hear it. If you have a friend that's good at this sort of thing, I want to hear what they have to say.

I would appreciate if you Emailed your responces to me . I ask this because I won't be able to look at these forums for a few days / weeks, although it shouldn't be a problem for me to read my Email. I won't respond to any of the Emails unless noted by the sender.

If this is in the wrong section of the forum, feel free to move it. I'm not looking to start a flame war.

Thank you, and I look forward to reading some Emails.

 

[heron]

Silly Mastah. If you don't believe in a god, then why would you want someone to talk you into believing?

Asking people to email a stranger, I have to admit, sounds like a way to get us on a mailing list. Give us a better reason to email you. Otherwise, wait for your answer like everyone else.

We would be glad to talk with you about specific questions you have, but this sounds too much like a set-up.

 

[eoe]

Just a reminder to everyone not to give out personal info.... Emailing someone gives away your email address and possibly more info than that...

 

[ChristIsTHEKing]

As of right now, I'm more or less an atheist. Although I want to be converted. I don't believe in a god. I also don't believe in creationism. I find evolution to do a much better job at explaining things.

So what I'm asking is for someone to convert me. This is you're chance to convert an atheist that's willing to change. What I want is people to Email me with whatever tricks they have that can show me 'the light'. If you have a question or statement that proves the existants of god, or disproves the existance of evolution, I want to hear it. If you have a friend that's good at this sort of thing, I want to hear what they have to say.

I would appreciate if you Emailed your responces to me (MastahC@gmail.com). I ask this because I won't be able to look at these forums for a few days / weeks, although it shouldn't be a problem for me to read my Email. I won't respond to any of the Emails unless noted by the sender.

If this is in the wrong section of the forum, feel free to move it. I'm not looking to start a flame war.

Thank you, and I look forward to reading some Emails.

Does seem strange. You don't believe in God but you wish to be emailed immediately regarding the existence of God, where you'll get email but can't get here??

So I'll just respond to your question here. First of all, no one can argue you into Heaven. So while we can share the Gospel it is up to the Holy Spirit to convict you to where you're compelled to acknowledge your sins and repent and ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart and trust in Him. Having said that, we first must find out why do you claim the evolutionary theory "explains things" better than Christianity? Have you read from both sides of the arguement? If not I suggest you do so. The problem with neo-darwinism is that just like all other macro-scientific arguements it is based on theory alone because science can't prove the macro. Ask a teacher or scientist about the actual origination prior to the big bang and you'll find them lacking in an adequate answer. So, they have no answer for actual origination and the development of everything after that is strictly theory. Beyond that they're unable to provide proof for the transitionary fossils that would have had to occur for life to have evolved from one cell. There would need to be thousands of transitionary fossils to get, for instance, from a mosquito to a whale but these really do not exist. Scientists have viewed that features found within specific cells are codependent and theorize that these could not function without eachother which would make for another big problem within the whole theory. When you reason that Christianity has more supporting documents than any other literature in history, the archeological artifacts to back up people/events from the Bible, eye-witness accounts, and hundreds of prophecies fulfilled I would have to wonder what you count as the more reasonable explanation?

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

I have noticed people using the word convert to refer to someone becoming a Christian. Since you must accept Christ of your own free will I don't understand using that word. No one is gonna force you to be a Christian. Even if your parents make you go to church you are not saved if you haven't accepted Christ in your heart.

Sorry if not on topic just a comment.

 

[LilLamb219]

TheMastahC, it's not our job to convert. It's the job of the Holy Spirit working within us to bring us to faith and trust in the Gospel. This is not something we do even though God uses men as the means to bring forth the message of the good news. Our will is bound to sin and only the Holy Spirit can turn us around so that we can be saved.

 

[starelda]

I'm not going to try to convert you...however, you do seem to believe that in order to be Christian you must believe in creationism. This is false. There is no need for anyone to "disprove the existance of evolution" because you can believe in both evolution and God.

 

[TheMastahC]

Well, thi will end up in a debate. My argument would be, I hear everyon say "things can't jut be, something / domeone had to make it" a in, the universe HAD to have been made, because what was around before the universe. Ok, let's accept that, EVERYTHING must be made... Then what about God? who / what made him? Every time I've asked that I've always gotten "he just always was"... I could go on and on. But screw it. I guess the holy spirit isn't coming to me . But, if you wanna have a good ol fassion debate, feel free to Email me (not starting a mailing list) or contact me on AIM and we'll have a good ol' time.

 

[ChristIsTHEKing]

I'm not going to try to convert you...however, you do seem to believe that in order to be Christian you must believe in creationism. This is false. There is no need for anyone to "disprove the existance of evolution" because you can believe in both evolution and God.

I don't wish to debate here but I think we need to clarify this post for our un-saved guest. Your answer can be correct or incorrect depending on the scope of your definition for evolution. While certainly we all understand that everything on this earth changes and thus can be referred to as "evolutionary" it does not mean the same thing as Darwin's theory of evolution where all life stems from one organism and man came from apes. The latter explanation would obviously be in conflict to Genesis 1 and therefore no one could believe in the one true God and this definition of evolution. God Bless!

 

[ChristIsTHEKing]

Well, thi will end up in a debate. My argument would be, I hear everyon say "things can't jut be, something / domeone had to make it" a in, the universe HAD to have been made, because what was around before the universe. Ok, let's accept that, EVERYTHING must be made... Then what about God? who / what made him? Every time I've asked that I've always gotten "he just always was"... I could go on and on. But screw it. I guess the holy spirit isn't coming to me . But, if you wanna have a good ol fassion debate, feel free to Email me (not starting a mailing list) or contact me on AIM and we'll have a good ol' time.

I would argue that the Holy Spirit is on your trail now otherwise why would you be here asking these questions? But it takes both you and God to make this relationship work. My answer to your quandry about who made God is that regardless of your beliefs you still have the problem of the origination. You still have to come up with how the original matter came to be that created the big bang if you're wanting to believe evolution. So you see, a power mightier than everything in the heavens and earth had to already exist in order to create anything because nothing cannot create something. You'll find a few scientist who will try to argue this theory but have no proof to back their arguement but are simply grasping at anything to refute what they don't want to believe. We conclude that time began when the heavens and earth were created, thus the creator is outside of time. If the creator is outside of time then we must then conclude that the creator always was.
I encourage you to look for books by William Lane Craig, who dives into the scientific arena providing a basis for a Creator. I'm told Stroebel's "A Case For a Creator" is a good one as well. God Bless!

 

[starelda]

I don't wish to debate here but I think we need to clarify this post for our un-saved guest. Your answer can be correct or incorrect depending on the scope of your definition for evolution. While certainly we all understand that everything on this earth changes and thus can be referred to as "evolutionary" it does not mean the same thing as Darwin's theory of evolution where all life stems from one organism and man came from apes. The latter explanation would obviously be in conflict to Genesis 1 and therefore no one could believe in the one true God and this definition of evolution. God Bless!

I don't wish to debate either so I'll just say that I, and plenty other Christians, don't take Genesis 1 literally.

 

[starelda]

Well, thi will end up in a debate. My argument would be, I hear everyon say "things can't jut be, something / domeone had to make it" a in, the universe HAD to have been made, because what was around before the universe. Ok, let's accept that, EVERYTHING must be made... Then what about God? who / what made him? Every time I've asked that I've always gotten "he just always was"... I could go on and on. But screw it. I guess the holy spirit isn't coming to me . But, if you wanna have a good ol fassion debate, feel free to Email me (not starting a mailing list) or contact me on AIM and we'll have a good ol' time.

I'm going to borrow a bit from C.S. Lewis book Mere Christianity to help you with this...See we experience life moment by moment...with one moment dissapearing before the next comes along. We arrange our time into past, present and future and assume that God must do the same. But what if it's not like that for Him.

Now C.S. Lewis is writing about this in relation to prayer and how God could possibly hear all our prayers. However, I think it applies to your questions as well. If God is outside time, if He is outside our view of past, present and future then it can be said that He always was and always will be.

 

[ChristIsTHEKing]

I don't wish to debate either so I'll just say that I, and plenty other Christians, don't take Genesis 1 literally.

Let me know if you would like to discuss this point further in a friendly manner elsewhere. I never mentioned any interpretation style.

 

[ebia]

As of right now, I'm more or less an atheist. Although I want to be converted. I don't believe in a god. I also don't believe in creationism.

Neither do most Christians.

I find evolution to do a much better job at explaining things.

Evolution and the Christian faith aren't in competition, they are explaining different things. Evolution explains one little part of how creation happened. Christainity is about why. They are entirely compatible.

 

[Tawny]

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[heron]

Sorry to be rude about the email, Mastah--you just have to understand how it appears. In our perception, anyone who can get to their email can get to a web site. But I understand some weeks are just too busy to complicate with forums.

Right now your focus is on existence--did He, didn't He, how does that work... That might be a question that will never satisfactorily be proven or disproven in your mind. But do people follow God's lead only because they are sure He is there? Aren't most people wrapped up in the philosophies of the faith, the self-help angles, the commitment to altruism, the dedication to caring for others...the connection with God in prayer? There's so much more to faith than science.

Think about the movie Contact, where Jodie Foster found words coming back through space, as if they always exist once they are spoken (fiction). This is like prayer...the mysterious power of our words and God's response to them. It's a fascinating thing to live with.

I would not give up these phenomena, of God responding and reassuring and protecting in unusual ways, just because all the facts didn't resolve yet in my mind. The interaction makes life very exciting.
Instead of looking at the black and white, look at some of the colorful things about the faith in this forum.

 

[lightonahill514]

Well, thi will end up in a debate. My argument would be, I hear everyon say "things can't jut be, something / domeone had to make it" a in, the universe HAD to have been made, because what was around before the universe. Ok, let's accept that, EVERYTHING must be made... Then what about God? who / what made him? Every time I've asked that I've always gotten "he just always was"... I could go on and on. But screw it. I guess the holy spirit isn't coming to me . But, if you wanna have a good ol fassion debate, feel free to Email me (not starting a mailing list) or contact me on AIM and we'll have a good ol' time.

I understand what you are saying. When you ask who/what made God, I must say that I agree with when wondering where and how it all came into play with Him. But then comes 2 Corinthians 5:7 telling me not to worry about it, and just to trust in God. This is harder for others, such as your situation. Its hard to believe in something that you have never seen physically, never heard physically, never touched physically, smelled, or tasted. I know, because I have been there at one point in my life. However, as you put it as 'converting', I just simply said 'I'm gonna try this whole Christian thing.' Its really simple, just read John 3. After saying the prayer of salvation, you begin to see God in everything, including your own reflection! But, you must ask for help from the big man upstairs to guide you and to live the life He created and planned for you. To do this, God sends The Holy Spirit to be with you at all times. Now, when I say this, it doesn't neccesarily mean that God just packs His stuff up and heads out, just because you have the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will come to anyone who asks for it. You can receive God, the One who created you and loved you and continues loving you ever since before you were formed in your mother's womb!!!

If that didn't make any sense, sorry, its kinda late out here.

-Jackie

 

[fitmom]

When you say "convert me", then I hear you say you want to become a believer.
You must have faith, not proof.
Only Jesus through the Holy Spirit can bring you to that faith and salvation.
Do you want eternal life?
Do you want to know Jesus?
Here is an interesting link and an explanation of the sinners prayer. http://www.gotquestions.org/sinners-prayer.html
God will bless you and you will find HIM if you truly seek HIM.

God Bless, J

 

[rollo]

I personally don't think anyone is an athiest because they believe the theory of evolution is so in conflict with the bible that they are mutually exclusive... That being said if you feel like looking into it I would recomend either ken ham or ken hovind. I may have spelled second persons name wrong. as far as proof that God exists it depends on your definition of proof... for example I would claim the fact that i was born with spina bifida an incurable disability but no longer have it due to miraculus healing as "proof". Other then that it will just have to come down to a personal search on your part. I will be praying for you... feel free to pm me with any more specific questions.

 

[heron]

for example I would claim the fact that i was born with spina bifida an incurable disability but no longer have it due to miraculus healing as "proof".

That's great, Rollo! How old were you when you were healed? (Sorry to hijack the thread--it's temporary.) Welcome to the forum.