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hi again!:wave: these quesstions are mainly for those of you who were originally another denomination and then converted to the Catholic faith.

while in the process of coversion, were there certain aspects of the Catholic faith that you still had issues with or problems accepting? if so what were they and how did you overcome them?

thanks!:)
 
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I am actually a cradle Catholic, but I still had aspects of the Faith that I struggled with. Specifically: Mary, the Rosary, Saints, the sacrament of Reconciliation, right to life issues.

How did I overcome them? Prayer, time, and the grace of God especially as shown through a few specific people. I thank God every day for those people, for the love and mercy that He showed me through them.
 
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My problem was that I was raised protestant by my dad and it was good for me because I was exposed to God and believed in Him all through out my life which lead me to a true conversion.

Because of what I was taught as a child, I realized that I could not grasp the Catholic understanding because I was still Protestant in my thinking. I see the same happening with some other converts to the faith when they ask certain questions. So I do understand the difficulty.

So anyway if you want to understand, not just know what the correct answer is but grasp the meaning of Catholicism then you really are going have to erase the Protestant mind set in order to grasp it in a particle way applying it your life, not just theoretical.
 
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Shelb5 said:
So anyway if you want to understand, not just know what the correct answer is but grasp the meaning of Catholicism then you really are going have to erase the Protestant mind set in order to grasp it in a particle way applying it your life, not just theoretical.
I completely agree with Shelb. You have to attempt to erase all that you think you know about Catholicism and start as a blank canvas. If you have the mind-set of a protestant, you will approach Catholicism as a protestant. You have to try to overcome the misconceptions and falsity of your 'supposed' belief and indoctrination of what you have been led to believe that Catholicism is.

When you approach something unscathed with personal opinion, you are much more able to be open to the understanding of the Catholic Faith, which is in my opinion, the key.

It is very difficult to swallow certain aspects of Catholicism, if you still think like a protestant, but approach it with an entirely different mind-set and you will be able to embrace it more readily.

Understanding is key. When you have a blank canvas to start with, you can take your time developing the picture, but at the same time knowing that whatever you learn has it's foundations in Christ, completely.

I would like to add that i really like it that you come to OBOB and share this journey with us, even though, i understand, that you yourself may not see it as a journey to the Catholic Church.:)
 
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I would like to add that i really like it that you come to OBOB and share this journey with us, even though, i understand, that you yourself may not see it as a journey to the Catholic Church.:)
thank you! :hug: and....you might be surprised;)
 
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I had difficulty getting my mind around Mary's Conception, not her Assumption. Strange, huh? Got around it with prayer, obedience and reading. Finally, read somewhere the relationship between her conception and her assumption in words I could understand and went D'oh! when the lightbulb went on. Reconciliation continues to bother me, but that's pride not previous upbringing. Working through it with God's grace day by day.
 
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kimber1 said:
while in the process of coversion, were there certain aspects of the Catholic faith that you still had issues with or problems accepting? if so what were they and how did you overcome them?
Hi kimber1 ...

I had trouble (and still not 100% understanding) on some of the Marian beliefs. Immaculate conception, Mary as a mediator of all grace, suppose contraception after converting as I didn't have to worry about it coming in so didn't consider that while converting.

I set a time frame of around the time that the Trinity was specifically defined, in the 300's AD or before to determine what was said and if it seemed to line up with the ideas on the Immaculate Conception or Mary as a mediator.

I chose that date because the Trinity was a concept I was going to take on authority. I was raised in a trinitarian church but felt it was not Biblically explicit, and seemed to be forced - especially if you didn't look into the first few centuries of Christian history. So if I had to look to history and to see how that started at point A and developed to point B for that, I should be able to accept that on the other issues. There were quotes of Mary being immaculate and other similiar terms. I recall one on Mary bringing "all good things" (probably St. Ephraim) that is parallel to in the Mass where Christ is said to be where "from all good things come."

I didn't have any issue with authority of the Church, the Pope, the history or other factors you could possibly encounter. I was attracted to the Church because of the historical link to Christ and I believe that there just has to be an ultimate authoritative body here on earth or else we were left with chaos.

God bless and if you have a question would be glad to try to address that. I skip around so give me a private message kick if need be. :D

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Ukok,

I think for me it was somewhat easier since I was not raised at all with any anti Catholicism and I really didn't know any of the myths. I would just try to understand a belief coming from how protestants look at the same issue and it was, and I did not realize it until a while ago that it was because I would try to understand Catholicism by trying to see it through the Protestant mind. Once I told myself I didn't have to make Catholicism fit into the framework of Protestantism as if it need to harmonize, I then understood things a lot easier and quicker.
 
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Shelb5 said:
Ukok,

I think for me it was somewhat easier since I was not raised at all with any anti Catholicism and I really didn't know any of the myths. I would just try to understand a belief coming from how protestants look at the same issue and it was, and I did not realize it until a while ago that it was because I would try to understand Catholicism by trying to see it through the Protestant mind. Once I told myself I didn't have to make Catholicism fit into the framework of Protestantism as if it need to harmonize, I then understood things a lot easier and quicker.
I wasn't really in a position of knowledge, whether bad or good, about Catholicism, myself. all i knew was that most people i knew who were Catholic were not very good examples of them!

but having spent the latter part of my teenage years living with a religious cult, i was hardly in a position to judge anyone though!

I did hear comments about Catholics worshipping Mary and being anti...EVERYTHING FUN!, but i never really encountered anyone who influenced my opinion either way.

It's a learning curve for me, all i know is that whatever i have learned so far, has not proved an obstacle in any way. what i haven't understood, i have come to understand, accept and even enthusiastically embrace.

But it has been bizzarre at times, trying to get over the protestant mindset of liberalism and the more Charismatic practices, and appreciating the quiet reverence of Adoration, the rosary, the liturgy etc.
 
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You have to attempt to erase all that you think you know about Catholicism and start as a blank canvas. If you have the mind-set of a protestant, you will approach Catholicism as a protestant. You have to try to overcome the misconceptions and falsity of your 'supposed' belief and indoctrination of what you have been led to believe that Catholicism is.
i guess, this is where i've been for awhile now. seeing things from a totally different perspective and having growing admiration and appreciation for certain aspects. and i am constantly aware of making comparisons between what i've always been raised to believe and what i'm beginning to learn the truth is and it really makes me sad to feel i've had blinders on for such a long time....but i guess something that keeps coming up in my mind is i don't neccessarily agree with 100 % of what MY church teaches 100% of the time so somehow it makes it easier that i'm still struggling with some of the Catholic beliefs as well.
 
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Oh gosh, yes, you have to walk away from a Protestant mind set . . at first you try to reconcile the two, but eventually you realize you have to give up one altogether . .

And even when you make the conscious effort to do so, it still affects how you perceive things for some time to come. Our priest in RCIA said we were divesting ourselves of old beliefs and mind sets . . it is very true . .

Another poster here asked me to give my conversion story . . I would have to sit down with some time to do so, but to answer the question originally posted, here is part of it - and oh yes, there were some big hurdles to overcome in my conversion . . . Mary and the Saints were a big one, the communion of saints. . it was the biggest actually. It took a lot of time to overcome as well . .

Jumping to a few years ago, I came across some information about the Reformation that so shocked me it stood my Christian world on end, and shattered much of what I believed to be true, but left me on the solid rock of Christ with a stronger faith than before . . and, eventually a determination to understand what the truth of the Christian faith was.
I realized that most of what I had believed about the Reformation and the Reformers had been whitewashed, and I had come to believe that it probably should never have happened. But I didn't know where to turn to as far as who had most of the truth, but truth is what I wanted.
So, still thinking that the Catholic Church was in error today, and the Orthodox Church as well (which is what I had been brought up in as a child) I decided the only way I could know which Church was closer to the truth was to understand what the early Church taught, believed and practiced, but I didn't think that I would find much . .

I found lots, and I found the faith as practiced by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches .. the Sacraments, the Real Presence, etc . . but I still was not willing to believe that the Catholic Church today was what it was in the beginning . . so I started to study, and everything I found started to peel away the myths and misunderstandings I had about Catholicism/Orthodoxy . . but there are some that are so deeply ingrained into our minds through Protestantism that it takes more than just mentally understanding what the Church believed and taught in the beginning and through the centuries . .

I found a Catholic radio station, I was exposed to the Rosary several times a week and it scared me, I even thought if I listened to it I might be inviting spiritual (even demonic) trouble into my life! But I began to feel compelled to listen to it . . At the beginning, I would actually turn it off when it started to play on the radio, but then "have" to turn it back on within a few moments . . I had to trust God that it was OK to even listen to it! (I shake my head now at such things, but it was real fear in my heart at the time).

It took many, many months of listening to this station, to the rosary, to Catholic Answers live, and to other programs that I came to gradually understand the rosary, and the issue of the communion of saints and our ability to pray to them. I came to an intellectual understanding of this, while at the same time moving deeper into understanding the Catholic faith through study of what I would find on the Internet (what a tremendous resource of us there is here), and through what friends would share and give me to read (and of course the radio station). . .. I listened to conversion stories which I found my life paralleling now in many ways . . at one point, after listening to some, I was in tears (happy tears) as I realized that I was truly no longer protestant . . I wasn't sure what I was, but I knew I was no longer protestant in my Christian faith . .

It wasn't long after that, and understanding the basic teachings of the communion of saints, I was listening to the radio again one night that the rosary came on . . I had, by then, come to the point of accepting the first part of the Hail Mary as scriptural (so that was OK and I could join in with that part), and that the second part reflected our ability to ask the saints who have gone on before us to pray for us - the communion of saints - was probably OK and real . .but I was still not 100% sure and I wanted so much to really know . .

The rosary came on, I was driving in my car and I began to cry, and I, very simply with all my heart, turned to God and asked Him "Is this You? Is this really You?"

Immediately the car filled with God's presence, this has happened to me a few times in the past at key moments in my spiritual walk . . but something else happened that had never happened before . . Along with God's presence filling my car, Mary was there and all the Saints in heaven were there . .I cannot express this is a way that may make sense to everyone who reads this, but most definitely Mary was there, and the Saints were there, I "knew" this as fully as I know I am typing this message right now, and I felt completely enveloped and surrounded by all of heaven .. nothing took away from God . .the sense of fullness and completeness was unlike anything I had experienced or imagined up to this point, and I wept . . . the comfort and love that filled this small space in my car was incredible . . .

God took what I had been questioning and learning and made it profoundly real to me in a way that settled all questions and doubt on the subject in a moment once and for all.

I wonder if I had simply turned to Him with that simple question much earlier if I would have had to wait so many months to really know (we tend to try to understand things ourselves first, and God is so patient with us )

That did not mean that all issues I might have with Marian doctrines were settled once and for all, but the most important and foundation one was - that the communion of saints was real, that we could pray to them and ask their help and intercession was settled in that moment! This flew open the door (that had been already opened part way) to my acceptance of the Catholic faith in its fullness as I grew in my understanding of it . .

This was the big hurdle for me . .all the other hurdles were little in comparison and fell away I dealt with those misconceptions one by one . .

It seems there usually is one big thing that really stands in the way, that when it is finally overcome (and it can take a long time to do so) then everything else begins to fall into place. . .


Regarding other Marian doctrines, I was reading DeMontfort's True Devotion to Mary and was having a great deal of difficulty with many of the concepts he was teaching there . . quite frankly, some of them scared me even . . but I was talking to one of my Catholic friends on the phone about it and she asked me to read one of the prayers, so I read the first prayer of consecration to her over the phone . . as I read that prayer out loud, suddenly all my doubts began to vanish . . I no longer had problems with those things I had read that concerned me . . it was not a result of intellectually understanding these things, but suddenly being given understanding, and faith to believe and accept them as true - there were no thunderings or profound presence of God this time . . I just simply "knew" . . I was astounded - and my friend amused . . .


In writing this here, I remembered something that happened early on that I had forgotten about . . I did not know there was a Catholic radio station in the area, and I am sure it was not on this radio station, but somewhere higher on the dial that I stumbled across a nun talking about the rosary and praying it on air . . (was it Mother Angelica? I don't know) .. But I remember I was greatly intrigued at the time . .so I tried to find her show again but was never able to, but I did find the rosary being prayed with mediations that were incredibly beautiful and profound, and I was deeply moved by them . . . .I could never find this one again either . . a couple of months later, I found the Catholic radio station as I was searching for both of these . .

Now it may seem strange that I was attracted to these few incidences of the rosary before finding it aired regularly on the Catholic station, then having such a fear of it, but I think God gave me a taste of something in those first few experiences that motivated me to search for them again, which lead me to a station where I could really get exposed to the faith and be fed . . even though I started off so timidly regarding this . . :)


Peace in Him!
 
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kimber1 said:
hi again!:wave: these quesstions are mainly for those of you who were originally another denomination and then converted to the Catholic faith.

while in the process of coversion, were there certain aspects of the Catholic faith that you still had issues with or problems accepting? if so what were they and how did you overcome them?

thanks!:)
Once I understood the Churchs authority came directly from Jesus,I realised everything the Church had to say was the truth,so then it was just a matter of learning what is taught.In other words,the Church passes on a faith that was given them by God,not somebodys interpretation of scripture.
 
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Shelb5 said:
...it was because I would try to understand Catholicism by trying to see it through the Protestant mind. Once I told myself I didn't have to make Catholicism fit into the framework of Protestantism as if it need to harmonize, I then understood things a lot easier and quicker.

"Framework" is the key to any learning. We are all essentially 'programmed' to think within a certain 'framework' or 'matrix'. What we are explicitly taught or implicitly learn affects not only WHAT we think but, more importantly, HOW we think.

This applies not just to Protestantism (as a mindset or framework) but also to the matrix of materialistic, mechanistic utilitarianism and scientific rationalism that characterizes the way in which the Western world (and the rest of the world to some degree or other, as time goes by) frames its thinking. We live "in" that world and need to become conscious of this fact.

Part of the remedy for this is in going back to the original sources of our Faith (the Magisterium, the Sacred Scriptures, the Fathers, the Liturgy, the Saints, etc), which reflect a different mindset. But the most important thing is Prayer that the Holy Spirit guide us. If we trust Him to do so, He can and will.
 
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Kimber,

I know we've PM'ed a lot and whatnot about this, but I want to add that for me, I just knew it was God's calling in my life.

So I said, forget it -- I'm throwing all I think I know, and actually study the Bible.

I never really studied the Bible. I read it every day because if I didn't, I felt guilty. But I could pull stuff out of Scripture here and there, but I really didn't look at it from a whole context, other-verses-support-this-and-that, theology.

I looked at it from a very fundamentalist, one verse is the be-all approach...and that just doesn't work.

I've had no issues with doctrine other than the Sacrament of Reconciliation -- and God has helped me understand that -- and after my first confession the other night -- well, wow, I don't know what to say. Let's just say, I felt full of grace...

BTW Kimber, I added you to AIM...but you're never on...:) We need to IM each other and talk...

Oh yeah, and a lot of punk/emo Christian music really helped me too... :) But that's another story...
 
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well...my areas of concerns are...

1)Mother Mary -- Why she is considered as sinless and a virgin?
2)Why Rosary is a dedication to her? Isnt it the same as praying to her when we recite the Rosary?
3)Confession to priest -- how to make it possible for ppl like me who don't readily open up my feelings to anyone?
4)Why posters of catholics always portray Jesus in infant form? Carry in the arm of glorious Virgin Mary. He seems helpless.
5)Why sometimes we are made to kiss the feet of the status of Jesus in church?

Hope someone will help me with my doubts..
 
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kimber1 said:
thank you! :hug: and....you might be surprised;)
I sincerely believe, Kimber, that God is calling you home to Rome...but only you can answer that question. My feelings are speculatory based on conversations and your willingness to seek knowledge...

Regardless, I will always support you as a Christian brother...no matter what you choose in your walk with Him.
 
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Eleana said:
well...my areas of concerns are...

1)Mother Mary -- Why she is considered as sinless and a virgin?
2)Why Rosary is a dedication to her? Isnt it the same as praying to her when we recite the Rosary?
3)Confession to priest -- how to make it possible for ppl like me who don't readily open up my feelings to anyone?
4)Why posters of catholics always portray Jesus in infant form? Carry in the arm of glorious Virgin Mary. He seems helpless.
5)Why sometimes we are made to kiss the feet of the status of Jesus in church?

Hope someone will help me with my doubts..
Hi! To answer some of your questions:

1) Christ is the New Adam:

Romans 5:13-15: "(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."

1 Corinthians 15:21-22: "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

-- and there must be a New Eve. Mary is that New Eve, as St. Irenaeus wrote in the 2nd c.:

"For the Lord, having been born "the First-begotten of the dead," and receiving into His bosom the ancient fathers, has regenerated them into the life of God, He having been made Himself the beginning of those that live, as Adam became the beginning of those who die. Wherefore also Luke, commencing the genealogy with the Lord, carried it back to Adam, indicating that it was He who regenerated them into the Gospel of life, and not they Him. And thus also it was that the knot of Eve's disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. For what the virgin Eve had bound fast through unbelief, this did the virgin Mary set free through faith. "

Mary and Jesus were both conceived and born without the stain of original sin -- just like Adam and Eve (St. John the Baptist, too, was born -- though not conceived -- without sin as he was filled with grace even in his mother's womb: Luke 1:13-15 "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.")

Mary is also the Ark of the Covenant -- the Vessel who bore Christ in her very body. Consider how holy and reverently treated the Ark of the Old Covenant was -- and it was a mere object. Mary, who is God's greatest creature, is holier than that; Old Testament types and shadows always point to a MUCH greater reality (e.g., the manna in the dessert pointed toward the much greater Eucharist, the O.T. Sabbath pointed toward the much greater Lord's Day, etc.)

See this page on Mary: http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/mary.html

2) Catholics DO pray to Mary, and praying the Rosary is, in part, a prayer to her. It is also a prayer to the Father, a praise of the Most Holy Trinity, a meditation on the lives of Jesus and Mary, etc. (see this page: http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/rosary.html

I think you might be getting stuck on the word "pray" -- but "to pray" means "to ask," as in "I pray thee, sir, will you lend me your umbrella?" While we DO pray to Mary and the other Saints, and do venerate them, we do not adore them. Only God is to be adored.

3) Confession can be hard. And embarrassing. The trick is to find a traditionalist priest who still uses confessionals and not do those face-to-face chats that have become popular since Vatican II. The only way to get through the embarrassment of confession is to remember that Christ commands it, that it isn't THAT bad, and that when it's over, you WILL feel like a million bucks. See this page on the whys of Confession:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Forgiveness_of_Sins.asp

and this one on the hows of Confession (the traditional way):

http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/penance.html

4) Christ seems helpless when portrayed as a Baby because He was helpless when He was a Baby. That is part of what is so incredible about the Incarnation -- God Himself took on flesh and became man. For Catholics, pondering the Incarnation is a very big deal; we don't tend to water it down or "spiritualize away" the realities of that momentous event.

That said, we also portray Christ Crucified, as a King ruling in Heaven, etc. -- all of these things are true and all contain Mysteries for us to ponder.

5) To kiss statues and other icons is to show reverence or adoration of the person (or Person) the icon represents. It's like kissing a picture of your mother, something I do (a lot now esp., since my Mom died). It is my way of showing my love for her. It's not a matter of worshipping a picture or thinking that the picture is my Mom; it's love and respect for my Mom through the picture... It is the same with the Catholic love of icons.

Does this help answer some of your questions?

God bless...
 
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