Controversy

[Corneliuseo]

Greetings in the peace and love of Jesus Christ:

It is when men pick up knowledge without wisdom and understanding that controversy become, which divides many. But if the truth is known, greater is the mystery of godliness without controversy: because the mystery of godliness is controversy. Now if one seek understanding of those words: Let them know the story of Esau and Jacob, and David and Bathsheba, and the parable of the ten virgins: then shall they learn the secret of godliness, which is the knowledge and wisdom and understanding that the end justifies the means if the end is righteous. So expect controversy when learning the truth of God: for Jesus Words of Truth became controversy among the people of Israel when He preached among them: but did He teach anything that was not already written in Holy Scripture? Did He teach things that were not foretold in the Old Testament? No, He did not: for did He not say, “For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?” (St. John 5:46-47) So why was there controversy over His words? There was controversy not only because many did not understand the knowledge of the truth according to Scripture, but, because, the knowledge of the truth is controversy. This might be confusing to some but hear this, because the Lord is not the author of confusion: When searching the Scriptures we find that Jacob lied and deceived his father Isaac to receive the blessing: and that David conspired to kill the husband of Bathsheba that she could become his wife. Certainly these things that were done are controversial towards the understanding of godliness: but as I have so said, so be it, that, the end justifies the means if the end is righteous: for such is the secret to the mystery of godliness and the end of all controversy. And here is the wisdom and understanding behind the knowledge I have written:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory” (I Timothy 3:16). Amen.

 

[ivory]

Thank You for sharing that message

 

[pilgrimage]

Greetings in the peace and love of Jesus Christ:

It is when men pick up knowledge without wisdom and understanding that controversy become, which divides many. But if the truth is known, greater is the mystery of godliness without controversy: because the mystery of godliness is controversy. Now if one seek understanding of those words: Let them know the story of Esau and Jacob, and David and Bathsheba, and the parable of the ten virgins: then shall they learn the secret of godliness, which is the knowledge and wisdom and understanding that the end justifies the means if the end is righteous. So expect controversy when learning the truth of God: for Jesus Words of Truth became controversy among the people of Israel when He preached among them: but did He teach anything that was not already written in Holy Scripture? Did He teach things that were not foretold in the Old Testament? No, He did not: for did He not say, “For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?” (St. John 5:46-47) So why was there controversy over His words? There was controversy not only because many did not understand the knowledge of the truth according to Scripture, but, because, the knowledge of the truth is controversy. This might be confusing to some but hear this, because the Lord is not the author of confusion: When searching the Scriptures we find that Jacob lied and deceived his father Isaac to receive the blessing: and that David conspired to kill the husband of Bathsheba that she could become his wife. Certainly these things that were done are controversial towards the understanding of godliness: but as I have so said, so be it, that, the end justifies the means if the end is righteous: for such is the secret to the mystery of godliness and the end of all controversy. And here is the wisdom and understanding behind the knowledge I have written:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory” (I Timothy 3:16). Amen.

The process (means) is to be content in all things and learning the things that make up the end result. Without the process there can be goal reached.
The learning in the example of David is what is the goal of the scrpture I would think.

 

[Corneliuseo]

Thank you for your comments.

The Love of God be with you all!

 

[pilgrimage]

Thank you. I think it's important to realize that the consequences of the means constitute the results of the goal. It's the law of like begets like. vs evolution I guess

 

[Corneliuseo]

Pilgrimage:

Your understanding is interesting. Your mind belong in the forum Deeper Fellowship. Did you suggest the creation of this forum?

 

[pilgrimage]

Pilgrimage:

Your understanding is interesting. Your mind belong in the forum Deeper Fellowship. Did you suggest the creation of this forum?

The forum was here long before I was. Interesting? maybe to some, but I don't think I would confine myself just to this forum. Thank you, I think.

 

[aldar]

hello everyone

dont mind me, but i believe the more you understand, the less controversial you become.
the more your own understanding grows the more patient, compassionate and kind a person becomes, thus making them less controversial.
now Jesus being the only person in the bible who really always did it right...most people loved him except for his few specific enemies, which he was destined to have as we all are.
but the more we grow as people, the more our hearts and understanding is enlarged the less we know simple harsh facts and the more we understand things to be true and why they are true..making us better communicaters, more equipped and able to help others understand, more able bring people to the truth if it is actually truth.
everyone knows the youth are the most volatile, it is the people who only know a few peices of the picture who go preach and message and only save a few while enraging many. the more and better we understand the better we are helping others understand.
the old and wise arent brought to rage as often as youngsters, and they are softer spoken, and simply more effective at preaching a message becuase they dont simply know the truth, but they know "why" and they know "how" to help "understand" not just "hear" the truth.
truth alone is explosive and destructive.
understanding is the soothing balm that mends all that.

 

[aldar]

Greetings in the peace and love of Jesus Christ:

then how can the mystery of Godliness be controversy?
since that isnt the desire of God, it would seem God is being duped and getting bested every step of the way.

 

[Corneliuseo]

then how can the mystery of Godliness be controversy?
since that isnt the desire of God, it would seem God is being duped and getting bested every step of the way.

aldar,

I am not sure of your meaning, so instead of assuming or speculating, I ask you to be more specific?

 

[aldar]

im sorry,
i mean, God does will peace and love, as you said.
so, i mean that if this is Gods desire, controversy is not Gods desire, and instances of it are the exception, not the rule.
this is what i believe anyway.
though i do know we WILL have all have controversy.

 

[Corneliuseo]

Thank you for the explanation.