Contradictions in Scripture

[eves_adam]

Here's a link I found interesting. There is a lot of scripture which condones the following:

-beating slaves, male and female to near death

-killing the "effeminate"

-treating women as property

-condoning slavery

-inciting crowds to murder

http://www.singlec.com/conversations/viewtopic.php?t=1641

Now, we can treat these as literal commandments. Or, we can look at these in their historical context. What was acceptable thousands of years ago vs. what's acceptable in a democratic society which respects the liberty of all people.

 

[cantata]

Are they contradictions, or just examples of Biblical tosspottery?

 

[Holy Roller]

More garbage from evilbible.com. NEXT!

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Here's a link I found interesting. There is a lot of scripture which condones the following:

-beating slaves, male and female to near death

-killing the "effeminate"

-treating women as property

-condoning slavery

-inciting crowds to murder

http://www.singlec.com/conversations/viewtopic.php?t=1641

Now, we can treat these as literal commandments. Or, we can look at these in their historical context. What was acceptable thousands of years ago vs. what's acceptable in a democratic society which respects the liberty of all people.

If we look at this in a historical context, (and in another place on this website for this particular subject), we can see that the above examples sounds more in-line with pagan and atheistic societies and civilizations than they do any other.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

More garbage from evilbible.com. NEXT!

Go to tektonics.org and watch these perspectives get eaten like popcorn during a movie.

 

[quatona]

If we look at this in a historical context, (and in another place on this website for this particular subject), we can see that the above examples sounds more in-line with pagan and atheistic societies and civilizations than they do any other.

Well then, if that´s true and if it´s true that the bible condones these things - can we conclude that atheists and pagans are the better Christians in that the follow the bible more closely?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Well then, if that´s true and if it´s true that the bible condones these things - can we conclude that atheists and pagans are the better Christians in that the follow the bible more closely?

The bottom line of the Bible is belief in God. The Christian refinement of God's ways brought to us by Christ Jesus and His followers would not be in concert with your perspective. But, nice atheists and pagans are cool though and do.

 

[TeddyKGB]

If we look at this in a historical context, (and in another place on this website for this particular subject), we can see that the above examples sounds more in-line with pagan and atheistic societies and civilizations than they do any other.

Do you have a theology edition of Mad Libs that you fill in when you need a quick baseless slur against atheists?

 

[LittleNipper]

Well then, if that´s true and if it´s true that the bible condones these things - can we conclude that atheists and pagans are the better Christians in that the follow the bible more closely?

Does the Bible condone these things, or does it tell people how to behave righteously in a world that does? Christianity didn't establish slavery (as an example) but it applied the Bible to finally cause others to see slavery for something not to promote and finally discourage. Atheism didn't do that. Atheism didn't even provide education for anybody --- though I'm sure there were atheists who sent their children to "church" schools....

 

[jcook922]

Does the Bible condone these things, or does it tell people how to behave righteously in a world that does? Christianity didn't establish slavery (as an example) but it applied the Bible to finally cause others to see slavery for something not to promote and finally discourage. Atheism didn't do that. Atheism didn't even provide education for anybody --- though I'm sure there were atheists who sent their children to "church" schools....

That's because Atheists make their own opinions instead of setting up educational institutions to teach children what to believe.

 

[LittleNipper]

That's because Atheists make their own opinions instead of setting up educational institutions to teach children what to believe.

An education should be shared & encouraged and not made light of. Before someone can form an opinion, it would be nice if he/she heard the evidence.

 

[jcook922]

An education should be shared & encouraged and not made light of. Before someone can form an opinion, it would be nice if he/she heard the evidence.

And they can't hear the "evidence" of Christianity without going to a Christian school? An education is an education, should Atheists open Atheist schools where there is doctrine on explaining why people think there is no god? Could all public schools and private schools not founded around a religion be called atheist schools?

Perhaps public schools should have religious education where they discuss prevalent religious affiliations from an un-biased position, explaining the philosophy of different world religions and philisophical movements.

 

[quatona]

Does the Bible condone these things, or does it tell people how to behave righteously in a world that does?

I dont know and I do not really care - the bible is far too ambiguous on most everything, imo.
I was merely answering to the hypothetical.

Christianity didn't establish slavery (as an example) but it applied the Bible to finally cause others to see slavery for something not to promote and finally discourage.

That´s an interesting interpretation.

Atheism didn't do that. Atheism didn't even provide education for anybody ---

It can´t. Atheism doesn´t do anything. Atheism is just a word for lacking belief in gods. And atheism wasn´t the topic here, anyways.

though I'm sure there were atheists who sent their children to "church" schools....

So? There are also atheists like me who support churches.

The question discussed was whether believers can be held responsible for what their god does. You have managed to get in three sentences to "atheists who send their kids to church schools".

 

[cantata]

Perhaps public schools should have religious education where they discuss prevalent religious affiliations from an un-biased position, explaining the philosophy of different world religions and philisophical movements.

Many do in this country.

It's awesome.

 

[lawtonfogle]

More garbage from evilbible.com. NEXT!

Let's hope we never meet in real life.

Duet. 22:28-29, the Bible condones forcing a young girl, no matter how young, so even 5 -10 year olds, to marry the rapist after he has paid for taking her virginity. What say you to that?

 

[Paconious]

Duet. 22:28-29, the Bible condones forcing a young girl, no matter how young, so even 5 -10 year olds, to marry the rapist after he has paid for taking her virginity. What say you to that?

You will never get a straight answer out of the fundies. They will always try to special plead murder or rape in the bible. Ask them about battles where everyone had special instruccions from god to leave no one alive and they will call it a justifiable act of war. Women and children were fair game if you got in the way of Yaweh's people.
Jephthats daughter? Well there are different ways they try to warp her sacrifice. Apperently "burnt offering" really means you get sent to the mountains. Nevermind the text later says he did "his vow which he had vowed."
Mistranslation, couldn't of have happened, modern theologians think this is what really happened. etc. Funny how many preach literal interpretation of the text yet, when those ugly little bloodspots pop up, they play dumb.