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Contradicting Teachings

James_Lai

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Until you find Christ.

Good objection, and very true.
Well, you have to take fear and love in greater context.
Fear of God, fear of wasting your time, of being ineffective, not doing the right thing. wtc
 
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Good objection, and very true.
Well, you have to take fear and love in greater context.
Fear of God, fear of wasting your time, of being ineffective, not doing the right thing. wtc

I think gotquestions does well on explaining fear of God:
What does it mean to have the fear of God? | GotQuestions.org

The other 'fears' you listed would be valid concerns, causes to take action for change if and when those actually happen.

If they are not happening, it's only worry in that case, and Christ taught us in the sermon on the mount and in Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 11:28-30 - New International Version the cures for worries generally.
 
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Thank you. I understand your clarification

Well, my point in the OP was simply to state opposites for motivation. Maybe fear/love aren’t the best. It’s more about why you do or don’t do something. In the most neutral, broad sense. You take a vaccine because you don’t want to get sick (fear) and also not to spread the virus to others (love).

Plus or minus. Loss or gain.

Otherwise, the direct opposite of love would be hate, and for fear would be courage.

“Fear” not in the sense of being scared, terrified, a strong emotion. More in the sense of “want to avoid or prevent smth from happening”, in a rational calm way.
 
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My statements weren’t worded well and were incomplete. Corrected in the OP. Thank you

Hi @James Lai,

Still don't see the contradiction. I can see where someone might look at those two statements and say, "What's the use?" But they are not contradictory.

God bless,
Ted
 
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Hi @James Lai,

Still don't see the contradiction. I can see where someone might look at those two statements and say, "What's the use?" But they are not contradictory.

God bless,
Ted

Yes. Directly contradictory would be “go out and stay at home”, “love and hate” etc… So it’s not that direct. It’s more by logical extension:

1) convert the whole world,
2) only a small part of humanity will be converted, and even in the church many will be deceived and miss salvation.
3) love your neighbour, procreate and care for your parents and children, care about your body as the temple of God and the natural environment as good stewards of creation,
4) this world with humanity in it is going to be destroyed, and signs indicate it’ll happen very soon.

Idea 2, if truly believed, effectively cancels out Idea 1. Also idea 4 cancels Idea 1 in the way of creating an impossible task due to the time constraints vs. known rate of Christian conversions. Idea 4 cancels out idea 3 by removing the sensible purpose of Idea 3

It’s similar to the Stepmother saying,

- Cinderella, please join us to the royal ball.
- All guests are to wear proper attire. I only allow you to wear your work clothes and shoes.
- Separate this huge pile of peas from beans mixed together, and when you’re done you’re allowed to go to the royal ball,
- oh BTW, we’re heading out in 10 minutes.

So there’s no direct contradiction in those ideas, but it’s pretty obvious she’s not going to the ball. I know the ending of Cinderella though

The majority of people do not realistically expect a Godmother Fairy’s intervention in their lives… Those that do…. are either toddlers or in asylums…
 
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Hi @James Lai,

Still don't see the contradiction. I can see where someone might look at those two statements and say, "What's the use?" But they are not contradictory.

God bless,
Ted

Maybe it would be more suitable to say Competing Ideas or Demotivating Ideas.

In the OP, I’m more concerned with the resulting human action, or the motivating effect of the ideas. Their practical implications.

As in applied science vs. theoretical science.

“Give me a lever and a place to stand and I will move the earth!” - exclaimed Archimedes of Syracuse, but was he ever able to do it?
 
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I totally agree
 
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Great point! Golden. It’s a way broader view than my OP. True, first things first! It’s the sign of well-grounded education in any field - from fundamentals to details, from simple to complex, from general to particular - from the root to the branches.
 
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Thank you. It’s a very, very difficult subject…

What’s the true gospel?

What’s the real Bible?

How do we interpret and apply the Bible?

No wander there’s so many denominations in existence….
 
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Thank you. It’s a very, very difficult subject in my view…

What’s the true gospel?

What’s the real Bible?

How do we interpret and apply the Bible?

No wander there’s so many denominations in existence….
Keep it simple.
 
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Makes perfect sense. I’m thinking about motivating people. How easier it is to say to someone, “do it!” than to say “do it, but you’ll surely fail” and force them to think, “I better do it just for the fun of it”…

- Mop the floor, Jimmy! Dog’s incoming in 10 minutes and it’s raining and muddy outside.
- Okay, dad! (keeps on playing Roblox)…

 
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Some question that logic applies in the spiritual in the same way that it applies in the natural. I believe it does. Everything about God and the spiritual makes perfect sense. The idea that spiritual truths are not logical is, I think, bogus. God and the things of God can be understood. All we lack is the knowledge and the vocabulary to describe them.
 
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I don't see that as contradictory at all, but as complimentary.
The world probably is getting closer to ending, which means there is even more reason to preach the good news of Christ sacrificed.

In a cinema fire people are going to be rushing to that safe exit not sitting down and offering around their popcorn to each other.
If people feel the world has another 100,000 years to go they are more likely to be complacent and do nothing.
The most growth in Christianity does not happen in the west. -Because we are complacent.


No because that goes against the plain teaching of scripture. The longer the world goes on the more will drop away.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Matthew 24:10-13
And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.


So on hearing someone say "The Christians one day comprising the 100% of the world’s population!' I would know immediately I was hearing false teaching and leave.

Not “it’s all going to burn” and “no matter what you do, a narrow gate is all we’ll have”… Such ideas are like killing the drive.

I disagree. It should drive us even more towards that small fire exit.


Not the same thing at all.

So if we say in math terms.

Must we?


I'll leave that to you to think on lol, I'm lucky if I can calculate my change.
 
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