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3. The evidence shows with increasing clarity how policies and laws opposed to life are causing societies to decline, not only morally but demographically and economically. The Encyclical's message can therefore be presented not only as true and authentic guidelines for moral rebirth, but also as a reference-point for civil salvation.
Thus, there is no reason for that type of defeatist mentality which claims that laws opposed to the right to life - those which legalize abortion, euthanasia, sterilization and methods of family planning opposed to life and the dignity of marriage - are inevitable and now almost a social necessity. On the contrary, they are a seed of corruption for society and its foundations.
The civil and moral conscience cannot accept this false inevitability, any more than the idea that war or interethnic extermination is inevitable.
Note of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the banalization of sexuality regarding certain interpretations of Light of the WorldAs is clear from an attentive reading of the pages in question, the Holy Father was talking neither about conjugal morality nor about the moral norm concerning contraception. This norm belongs to the tradition of the Church and was summarized succinctly by Pope Paul VI in paragraph 14 of his Encyclical Letter Humanae vitae, when he wrote that "also to be excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreationwhether as an end or as a means." The idea that anyone could deduce from the words of Benedict XVI that it is somehow legitimate, in certain situations, to use condoms to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is completely arbitrary and is in no way justified either by his words or in his thought. On this issue the Pope proposes instead and also calls the pastors of the Church to propose more often and more effectively (cf. Light of the World, p. 147) humanly and ethically acceptable ways of behaving which respect the inseparable connection between the unitive and procreative meaning of every conjugal act, through the possible use of natural family planning in view of responsible procreation.
God can create children however He chooses and He chose this way
for more than one reason..
TBH, I disagree with their idea of "of value".
IMO it's nothing less than control, guilt and heavy yokes.
Which I myself was putting myself under for years...
having been raised as RCC.
God says have at it, replenish the earth, dont deny your
spouse (wonder why He had to add that, who'da thunk
anyone would say "no" to it?) God's ways and mans
ideas of God's ways are often at odds.
I'll leave the headaches and lack of desire, etc.. to the couples
to work out with God. I don't want to go beyond what
is written.
We see things very differently .. but since
we're not a couple, it shouldn't pose a problem.
JacktheCatholic said:"also to be excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreationwhether as an end or as a means."
To the Bishops from the United States of America on their «ad Limina» visit, John Paul II, 24 September 19836. A special and important part of your ministry to families has to do with natural family planning. The number of couples successfully using the natural methods is constantly growing. But much more concerted effort is needed. As stated in Familiaris Consortio: “the ecclesial community at the present time must take on the task of instilling conviction and offering practical help to those who wish to live out their parenthood in a truly responsible way . . . This implies a broader, more decisive and more systematic effort to make the natural methods of regulating fertility known, respected and applied” (IOANNIS PAULI PP. II Familiaris Consortio, 35).
Those couples who choose the natural methods perceive the profound difference - both anthropological and moral - between contraception and natural family planning. Yet they may experience difficulties; indeed they often go through a certain conversion in becoming committed to the use of the natural methods, and they stand in need of competent instruction, encouragement and pastoral counselling and support. We must be sensitive to their struggles and have a feeling for the needs that they experience. We must encourage them to continue their efforts with generosity, confidence and hope. As Bishops we have the charism and the pastoral responsibility to make our people aware of the unique influence that the grace of the sacrament of marriage has on every aspect of married life, including sexuality (Cfr. ibid. 33). The teaching of Christ’s Church is not only light and strength for God’s people, but it uplifts their hearts in gladness and hope.
Your Episcopal Conference has established a special program to expand and coordinate efforts in the various dioceses. But the success of such an effort requires the abiding pastoral interest and support of each Bishop in his own diocese, and I am deeply grateful to you for what you do in this important apostolate.
35. With regard to the question of lawful birth regulation, the ecclesial community at the present time must take on the task of instilling conviction and offering practical help to those who wish to live out their parenthood in a truly responsible way.
In this matter, while the Church notes with satisfaction the results achieved by scientific research aimed at a more precise knowledge of the rhythms of women's fertility, and while it encourages a more decisive and wide-ranging extension of that research, it cannot fail to call with renewed vigor on the responsibility of all-doctors, experts, marriage counselors, teachers and married couples-who can actually help married people to live their love with respect for the structure and finalities of the conjugal act which expresses that love. This implies a broader, more decisive and more systematic effort to make the natural methods of regulating fertility known, respected and applied.(97)
A very valuable witness can and should be given by those husbands and wives who through the joint exercise of periodic continence have reached a more mature personal responsibility with regard to love and life. As Paul VI wrote: "To them the Lord entrusts the task of making visible to people the holiness and sweetness of the law which unites the mutual love of husband and wife with their cooperation with the love of God, the author of human life."(98)
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Let's see...
Before, sex is "rescheduled" to times when it is unlikely to result in conception; a method implemented so as to permit sex but discourage conception, as the means and as the end.
Yup. Point on.
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Nothing is being done to keep the sperm from fertilizing the egg.
JacktheCatholic said:"also to be excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreation—whether as an end or as a means."
The action is scheduling the LOTSA sex specifically, purposely, intentionally, by design- to a time when that egg won't be present - that being the sole end. The RCC will teach you how to have sex contraceptively - the means and end being to have sex but not likely to conceive.
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What is "LOTSA sex" because it sounds very crude and vulgar to me. Please explain.
Contraception: deliberate prevention of conception or impregnation
I have no problem with self control.. lolI don't have a problem with the value of self control, and it indeed is necessary for true relationship. Just because the RC teaches it does not negate a real aspect of value.
[/QUOTE]I do think this is a matter between a husband and wife, God and in our case our spiritual father.
I also think that the sensitivity needs to go both ways; see Paul on the relationship between husband and wife, Christ and the Church. Denying self - or self sacrifice - is crucial to a relationship.
And I do know couples who are lovingly married, for whom a medical condition leaves sex essentially out of the relationship.
What a testimony to love
As Catholic poster after Catholic poster here has pointed out, Catholic Birth Control, Catholic Family Planning has nothing - NOTHING - to do with having less sex (in fact, it was stressed here one using, doing, implementing, acting according to Catholic Birth Control may have sex MORE than otherwise). Read the thread. This has nothing to do with virginity, abstinence or chastity (at least as used by MY Catholic teachers, youth workers, priest and deacon) since it has NOTHING to do with not having sex or even having less of it (it CAN mean having MORE of it). BUT - there is a MEANS, a method that the RCC will teach you (it may REQUIRE it teaches you), that, if done, implemented, performed, acted upon - will attain the GOAL of not conceiving. Contraceptive sex.
I'm not saying it's good or bad (frankly, I'm undecided) - but it is what it is.
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.... while still having sex.
It's not contraceptive sex is there is no sex, a sexless marriage. And yes - it seems that before the sexual revolution of the 1960's (long before my day, lol), the RCC unofficially taught that if one desired no children, one should have no sex. "No Kids? No Sex!" But that ethic was wholly abandoned in the 1960s (it never was an official position): Now it's "HAVE SEX! More than otherwise! But we'll teach you how to DO it contraceptively." The deliberate purpose is to prevent conception or impregnation. The means is contraceptive, the goal is contraceptive.
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Josiah said:As Catholic poster after Catholic poster here has pointed out, Catholic Birth Control, Catholic Family Planning has nothing - NOTHING - to do with having less sex (in fact, it was stressed here one using, doing, implementing, acting according to Catholic Birth Control may have sex MORE than otherwise). Read the thread. This has nothing to do with virginity, abstinence or chastity (at least as used by MY Catholic teachers, youth workers, priest and deacon) since it has NOTHING to do with not having sex or even having less of it (it CAN mean having MORE of it). BUT - there is a MEANS, a method that the RCC will teach you (it may REQUIRE it teaches you), that, if done, implemented, performed, acted upon - will attain the GOAL,purpose, design, intent, objective of not conceiving. Contraceptive method, contraceptive sex.
I'm not saying it's good or bad (frankly, I'm undecided) - but it is what it is.
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I am confused as to what the sexual revolution of the 60s has to do with Catholic doctrine on contraception.
LOLThis is what I'm referring to ... as artificial contraception does not require these virtues, nor their development. As all of these fruits of the Spirit, virtues, are pro-relational, so the natural method does lend toward forbearance and egkrateia.
LOL
So if you count days and check fluids you're more spiritual
than if you do those things necessary to use condoms etc.?
Are we back to the "this way is holy, that way is evil" mindset?
Not to mention going beyond what's written..
Josiah said:As Catholic poster after Catholic poster here has pointed out, Catholic Birth Control, Catholic Family Planning has nothing - NOTHING - to do with having less sex (in fact, it was stressed here one using, doing, implementing, acting according to Catholic Birth Control may have sex MORE than otherwise). Read the thread. This has nothing to do with virginity, abstinence or chastity (at least as used by MY Catholic teachers, youth workers, priest and deacon) since it has NOTHING to do with not having sex or even having less of it (it CAN mean having MORE of it). BUT - there is a MEANS, a method that the RCC will teach you (it may REQUIRE it teaches you), that, if done, implemented, performed, acted upon - will attain the GOAL,purpose, design, intent, objective of not conceiving. Contraceptive method, contraceptive sex.
I'm not saying it's good or bad (frankly, I'm undecided) - but it is what it is.
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Using your "LOTSA sex" was hurtful to Catholics and seemed very inconsiderate.
LOL
So if you count days and check fluids you're more spiritual
than if you do those things necessary to use condoms etc.?
Are we back to the "this way is holy, that way is evil" mindset?
Not to mention going beyond what's written..
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