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to not have sex is a natural way to avoid pregnancyUmm why is it that a man that wears a condom is doing it for selfish reasons and the one who abstains is doing it for health reasons. What if Dick wore a condom during the fertile times to protect His wife for Gods sake?
to not have sex is a natural way to avoid pregnancy
Umm why is it that a man that wears a condom is doing it for selfish reasons and the one who abstains is doing it for health reasons. What if Dick wore a condom during the fertile times to protect His wife for Gods sake?
to not have sex is a natural way to avoid pregnancy
to wear a condom is unnatural, it is like the sin of sodomy, a sin agianst God and nature
Hi CJ,
Catholic dogma is against any kind of birth control.
My sister was REQUIRED to take a class in it. Odd way to discourage it, don't you think?They don't want Catholics to even practice NFP even...
1. I invite you to read all the posts in this thread - by Catholics and Orthodox. Read them; read them all.NOT to avoid pregnancy
... as one normally is that uses a condom; using that during the month of June, 2011 does NOT mandate that ergo they are against pregnancy.They are required by Church dogma to be open to pro-creation and giving life always.
Your "apologetic" is like the abortionist saying, "but the INTENTION was good." Dead baby nonetheless....
And in your case, the INTENTION was actually identical!
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the fact that we can use our minds to better understand when women are fertile and when they are not does not make it less naturalNatural...
Could you list for me just 5 species of mammals that count days and purposely reschedule sex to times of infertility? Thanks! IF you can do so, I'll yeild the "natural" point - although that's entirely unrelated to being good (tornados are natural, too).
When I was Catholic, it was STRESSED (more than ANYTHING else) to all teens and youth that "abstinence" = NO sex. Ever. Of any nature, kind, type. One "abstained" when one did not have sex, typically - a virgin (this included oral sex and sometimes masturbation). It's not been THAT many years since I left Catholicism but SO much seems to have changed since I left; it seems "abstinence" NOW means, "to refrain from sex 2 or 3 days per month or 2 or 3 hours per day," so that one is abstaining if they have sex 60 times a month - but not during certain hours or days; one is a virgin if they have sex 60 times a month (what does THAT mean for the Virgin Mary?). I can't keep up with all the changes in Catholicism.... But, I'm MORE in agreement with the Catholic Church I left than all these new ideas.
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yes, abstinence does mean no sex
Well, NATURAL sex probably would be, lol....that does not mean they have to go at it like rabbits every waking moment of the day
Josiah said:Thus, Catholic Family Planning/Birth Control is unrelated to abstinence. As has been STRESSED here by Catholics, in Catholic Family Planning/Birth Control, couples may have LOTS of sex, more than otherwise, more than the LDS couple next door with 28 kids - it's just that it will teach the couple how to do this contraceptively - to plan, to control, to counter conception.
But the RCC (since the sexual revolution anyway) that couples may control births, prevent pregnancy, and counter conception by doing, practicing, implementing a method it teaches at the parish (sometimes required); to counter conception (which is obviously makes it contraceptive). It's not NO sex, it's sex done CONTRACEPTIVELY. The means and the end and the intent is contraceptive.
I'm not saying it's good or bad, only that it is what it is.
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Reading is, per the reasoning used here, not a natural act. Therefore suspect ...
Reading is, per the reasoning used here, not a natural act.
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it is not intrinsically wrong for a married person to try to avoid pregnancy
or to abstain from sex during the fertile period
to have sex during the infertile period
It would be reading, however. Good or bad.
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I don't think so either but Paul does...it is not intrinsically wrong to abstain from sex during the fertile period
It says not to defraud EXCEPT for prayer and fasting:
KJV with Strong'sWhat's kind of silly is that you're saying that you DO defraud each
Defraud ye not one the other except __ it be with consent for a time that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer
and come together __ again that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency
other during fertile days (which Scripture forbids) and then you
say condoms are evil (Which Scripture is totally silent about)
Leaves me scratching my head ...
i did not mean that reading was agianst the natural order of things...
or was this not addressed to me?
To quote a few earlier posts by other posters, "You Catholics need to huddle on this - and make up your mind!")
Um, having sex CONTRACEPTIVELY is contraceptive sex.
SOME DAY, you may think about that....
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Well with the married how is not having sex natural? For with a married couple it is a natural thing to have total intimacy isn't it?to not have sex is a natural way to avoid pregnancy
to wear a condom is unnatural, it is like the sin of sodomy, a sin agianst God and nature
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