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Contraception???
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Find out about what goes on in a woman's body early in pregnancy. Also read about how there are different stages in pregnancy, and how a woman feels in week 3 or 4 is not how se is going to feel in week 20, ect.
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127.0.0.1
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I have. Basically Progesterone and estradiol levels rise until she gives birth. While HCG levels rise until about wk 12-14 then they begin to diminish.
The idea behind BC pills is that they elevate the hormones estrogen and progesterone. Or in some cases just progesterone.
Roughly speaking, my understanding is that, at the start of a woman's cycle estrogen rises until there is a peak in the LH hormone which signals the release of an egg from the ovary, all the while building up the endometirum. After ovulation, progesterone levels rise to maintain the endometrium and prepare it for pregnancy. Progesterone counters estrogen.
My understanding of the idea behind something like a progesterone only pill (POP) is that it raises progesterone levels, tricking the body into thinking that it has already ovulated, thus suppressing estrogen and thus suppressing ovulation. Even if it fails, progesterone is the hormone the body uses the maintain a pregnancy anyway.
However actual BC pills don't use natural hormones. Thus the unpleasant side effects. In the case of synthetic progesterone hormones, they are called progestins. Levonogesterol is one such progestin. It is not bio-identical to the hormone your body makes.
After reading up on natural bio-identical progesterone treatments used to promote fertility, I noticed that they warn against taking the treatment too early. Presumably because if a fertility treatment of bio-identical progesterone were taken too soon it would suppress estrogen and thus suppress ovulation.
As for allegations that BCP's are abortifacient. I won't say either way because I don't know. However I will say that I have looked up studies on PubMed and elsewhere, and I found evidence concluding that levonogesterol does not thin the endometrium. In fact, from my understanding, it would be difficult to tell if BCP's have an abortifacient method because method proposed takes place before implantation. Implantation is currently the earliest point where we can test for pregnancy. So does a pill abort a fertilized egg? Scientists can tell unless the open the womb up, but that would kill the embryo. Don't get my wrong, I'm not saying either way. But with the evidence I've found, I'm not certain either way.
In any-case, my understanding of those pills is that they use synthetic, fake hormones. I think if you replaced them with bio-identical ones, then a lot of those nasty side-effects should go away.
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zhilan
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I know, they just assume that if you say you're not having sex your must be lying to them or just haven't had the opportunity yet and will surely jump at it when you get the chance.
Sounds like a girl I knew when I was in HS. Her doctor wanted her on the pill for medicinal reasons (she was having some health problems at the time that they thought the pill could help with somehow). As soon as she got on the pill she became short-tempered, depressed, had serious mood swings as well as some other major complications... Yeah her family wanted her off the pill rather quickly after that.
Yeah I was like that too! Haha, I got really emotional just for no reason at all. And if anyone would touch me or try to give me a hug or something it made me really upset. It was very strange. And then I would just be sitting at my desk doing nothing and my pulse would start racing, like 120 bpm just resting. Even after I went off it, it took months for me to get back to normal.
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Nichole
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WOW..............when I was on birth control I never got any symptons like that! I actually felt really "normal". During those years I had "normal cycles', no spotting, I was thinner, felt good, etc.
Now............overweight and working to get it off, having problems getting pregnant, very emotional, irregular cycles/spotting, etc., etc.
SO hummmm.................you tell me! LOL!
Every woman's body is different though!
Now............overweight and working to get it off, having problems getting pregnant, very emotional, irregular cycles/spotting, etc., etc.
SO hummmm.................you tell me! LOL!
Every woman's body is different though!
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heart of peace
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Exactly my sentiments in response to Vasileios' post. Isn't that the reason why JW's refuse blood transfusions or stuff like that? Something about trusting in God (I am not well versed in their faith but I thought it had to do with that). God made us different than the animals, he gave us a brain that we should utilize. In cases where we are dealing with such sensitive topics as children, that is why we have a SF for to guide us in making decisions that are not so cut and dry (as some want to depict it).
It is true, though, that some people could or should take that leap of faith in trusting God and don't and hold back and for that person, they are misaligned with God's will for their lives tremendously. That is why Xpy's comments in the childless thread really make sense, this is a situation that really must be guarded of any spiritual vices that may creep in.
PS Command0182, I can tell that I'm going to like reading the contributions you have to offer this board. You are one bold person for a newbie...
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Xpycoctomos
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But doesn't it matter that each and every pill out there has the possibility of aborting the life (even when taht is not it's intended design)?
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Xpycoctomos
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Where's your evidence? from your words we can percieve that you either have never had a pregnant wife or did not observe very well. How one handles the pill has nothing to do with how one handle's preganancy.
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Very few people are actually in that position. We just have inflated ideas of what a normal standard of living is.
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No, I would not agree with the morality of a couple deciding not to have any children biologically, but only to adopt. And, as one very involved in international adoption and the issues surrounding it, it is my experience that such couples either don't exist or are extremely rare.
It has been my observation that the people who say that it's better to adopt than have children biologically do neither.
Adoption is *extremely* important. But adopting and giving birth to children isn't an either/or type of deal. One can do both.
Grace and peace,
John
It has been my observation that the people who say that it's better to adopt than have children biologically do neither.
Adoption is *extremely* important. But adopting and giving birth to children isn't an either/or type of deal. One can do both.
Grace and peace,
John
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A normal standard of living are simply living conditions relative to the average in soceity, as such it cannot be inflated. It's simply unhealthy to have children who will constantly lack the opportunties of their peers throughout their entire lives. This isn't a farming soceity making up for high infant mortality anymore.
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You're right, I don't really know what a women goes through when she's pregnant. But my understanding is that, for some it's really hard (mood swings, painful birth) and for others, it goes with maybe only a very minimal amount of complications.
I've heard of women giving near painless natural births and I once read a story about a women who wound up pregnant whic wasn't too fun for her because she was on a perscription drug to lower her high cholesteral (and from what I understand, pregancy raises your cholestral level). So no, I don't know allot about what women go through with pregnancy and being a guy, the best I can do is speculate.
From what I understand, that is only speculative. But I'm trying to keep an open mind. If bio-identical hormones are used, I rather doubt that they could cause an abortion - still keeping an open mind though. But if you really want to get into chances then let me say this:
Do not drink coffee, orange juice, grapefruit juice, or any form of absorbic acid, or induce lactation if you are pregnant or may become pregnant.
That's right! We can't prove that something like coffee doesn't cause a abortions therefore it does!
Coffee/caffeine = the abortion drink
Now how do you suppose we enforce this? I know! Since it can be difficult to tell, visually, if a women is pregnant while she is in her first month. Maybe we should just forbid all women of a certain age any form of caffeine!
Yes that's right, I also said lactation. You see, being in a state of lactation raises the hormone, prolactin which can suppress ovulation, but sometimes ovulation happens anyway. In this instance, prolactin can still cause a deficient corpus lutiem function...ie it can contribute to the abortion of a fertalizzed egg since the corpus lutiem is needed to produce the need amount of progesterone which maintains the endometrium lining for pregnancy.
Therefore having sex while breastfeeding = abortions.
You see what I'm getting at here? Even during unprotected sex, some eggs just naturally fail to implant, therefore sex = abortions. Round and round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows. Oh & strenuous excercise...so like if you work out at the gym...strenuousely...you could send a message to you body that know is not a good time to be pregnant and this could cause it to dispell of a fertalized egg. Oh and stress, like maybe if you worry a lot...that could cause your body to dispell of a fertalized egg too.
I'm not going to have kids just to keep up with the Jones, that's for sure.
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It's better to have two well adjusted and properly taken care of children who grew up in a home where their parent's marriage wasn't constantly on the rocks (money is a huge factor in divorce), or in a home constantly full of stress because mom and dad are always trying to barely make ends meet. Than it is to have 10 kids who grew up lacking opportunity after opportunity just because you were phyiscal able to have them.
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