continuation of THE ONE thread

[f U z ! o N]

im still not understanding this whole ONE theory and how God works with relationships.

answer these questions.

say 2 people love each other and have a God centered relationship. out of nowhere God says Nope ya'll can't date no more. there not the one.
Why would he do that?

why would God let us fall in love and then take that love away?
sure you might say we would fall in greater love with another person but it still makes no sense

why would God bring people together and then break them apart? if it wasn't His will they court/date then why in the world would He let them?

if God brought someone the ONE and they died does that make the next person Number TWO? are the not as good as the number ONE?

i'll have more questions the more i think about this.

 

[silentpoet]

im still not understanding this whole ONE theory and how God works with relationships.

answer these questions.

say 2 people love each other and have a God centered relationship. out of nowhere God says Nope ya'll can't date no more. there not the one.
Why would he do that?

In Job God said "Answer my questions and I will answer you" Basically that is what he said anyway. The point being God does stuff for His reasons and we often cannot know. He might do that for the sake of others not involved in the relationship. Say each go there way. Well in the course of events in the aftermath of God saying this one of them is feeling down and goes someplace to relax. On that little trip to the place they go to relax they chance upon a person who needs to hear the good news. If they had not been made sad, another would not be saved.

Solomon said life is meaningless. I interpret that to say "I as a man connot see the meaning behind the happenings of life" I know I have struggled with it myself.

why would God let us fall in love and then take that love away?
sure you might say we would fall in greater love with another person but it still makes no sense

Welcome to my sad world. I don't know these answers, but I have asked the same questions. And no I would not say that. God has reasons we cannot fathom. Ain't none of it simple or at the very least easy.

why would God bring people together and then break them apart? if it wasn't His will they court/date then why in the world would He let them?

God allows free will. We make our choices and sometimes they are not in alignment with God's will. And sometimes they are. It just takes longer to produce fruit. Perhaps God pulls things apart to put them back together later in a different manner. The ways of God are beautiful and wonderous to behold.

if God brought someone the ONE and they died does that make the next person Number TWO? are the not as good as the number ONE?

This sounds a little like the sadducees trying to trap Jesus. It reminds me of that question anyway. I don't know the answer myself.


In the end ONE theory is probably a subset of predestination. On that, it may be true. But might not be knowable in this life. I think however it is a little easier to see in action than the whole of predestination. When it all comes down to it, it all comes down to a part of life that must have a prayer filled and strong relationship with God to succeed.

 

[Iceman_Aragorn]

If you like, I could get into the vast array of topics relating to why predestination is
1. philosophically unlikely, and
2. nigh impossible to reconcile with a Christian worldview and what we believe God is (ie omniscient).

But skipping over that gigantic pile of philosophy, I'll just say that I don't think "the ONE" exists based on the fact that it is, as silent poet says, a subset of predestination or determinism. The simplest idea behind why determinism doesn't work with Chrisitianity is that God specifically designed us to have free will, so we can obey Him or not, of our own free will.

 

[silentpoet]

However to stir the pot some more, I believe that free will and predestination are not totally incompatable if you were able to see things from God's point of view. What I cannot do with my human mind is reconcile the two concepts. I believe that both are possible. I just do not know enought to say how it all works. If solomon couldn't understand it all I sure can't.

I do believe God has a plan for us and some things are just right. I do believe if predestination is true, that it is unimportant as to our day to day lives down here on Earth. We are human, God may know our answers and how we will choose. But we must still go through life and do our best to work with His guidance. Sometimes we as humans make bad decisions, as to how that interacts with God's plan I really don't know. I do know however things do happen for God's purposes.

I tend to believe there is somebody who is right. Some are more right than others. We just have to do our best and have faith in God that He will provide. I think the idea of ONE is beneficial if we view it as God having a plan for our provision. I think it can be bad if we set it up as an idol and are very legalistic about how we measure others against some "standard".

 

[invisiblebabe]

If you like, I could get into the vast array of topics relating to why predestination is
1. philosophically unlikely, and
2. nigh impossible to reconcile with a Christian worldview and what we believe God is (ie omniscient).

But skipping over that gigantic pile of philosophy, I'll just say that I don't think "the ONE" exists based on the fact that it is, as silent poet says, a subset of predestination or determinism. The simplest idea behind why determinism doesn't work with Chrisitianity is that God specifically designed us to have free will, so we can obey Him or not, of our own free will.

Good to have another INTJ on board this discussion

I will also add that since God is outside time, the concepts of predestination (at least as we understand it) and free will can be reconciled.... meaning God knows what we will do, and that is the only course of reality that God knew would be actual.... but we also are completely making our choices... God is not 'making' us do anything.

 

[Iceman_Aragorn]

Both of you are talking about exactly the topics I alluded to

Since God is timeless, He can know exactly what will happen without deterministicly causing it to happen, and yet it can all be part of His will. He lives at all points in time simultaneously, in other words. Therefore even though He knows what our decision is before we make it, we still have free will.

 

[Carri20]

I believe you can have a happy marriage with any one of a number of people, but there's probably one in particular with whom a marriage would be happier and more convenient, and that's the person I've always been told to ask God for.

Side note: If you've married someone, that person becomes "the one".