Continental Seperation Mechanism

[dad]

It is interesting, I thought, that I seem to agree with the mechanism of continental drift as proposed early on by the plate tectonic theory!

"He postulated that the earth's rotation caused horizontal adjustment of rock in this plastic layer, which caused the continents to drift. The frictional drag along the leading edges of the drifting continents results in mountain building."

http://www.answers.com/topic/continental-drift


That is, that it was the rotation of the earth. However, I postulate that the earth may have not been rotating, but the rest of the cosmos around us in the distant past. As the big change happened, (seperation of the spiritual leaving us in the temporary physical only universe) the earth started to rotate.
This took a little while to bring it up to speed, as I think it revolves around 1000mph, or so. This triggered the seperation of the continents perhaps. As we know, it almost looks like there is a giant rip, or seam in the earth, the ridges.

It also helps cast a young earth light on all the evidence we have it did seperate! I admit, this bit is somewhat new, and I might be missing something, that actually rules it out as a possibility. So, I bring it up, anyone like or not like? We're close on this.

 

[JohnR7]

It is interesting, I thought, that I seem to agree with the mechanism of continental drift as proposed early on by the plate tectonic theory!

My 8 year old son recently informed me that this theory is being taught to him as a scientific fact. I remember when I was his age they taught it as a theory, not a fact.

 

[dad]

My 8 year old son recently informed me that this theory is being taught to him as a scientific fact. I remember when I was his age they taught it as a theory, not a fact.

Yes they have an elevated opinion of themselves as time goes by.
I would be surprised if they taught him that there was rapid seperation, and that the young earth mechanism was that the earth, the center of the universe, coming into it's present state of a physical only world- started rotating, triggering these things, rather than the slow old ages stuff. At least not this year.

 

[Sarcopt]

Creationist inadvertently discovering history of science:

My 8 year old son recently informed me that this theory is being taught to him as a scientific fact. I remember when I was his age they taught it as a theory, not a fact.

You really should read up on the history of plate tectonics (and by that I mean the history of the theory, not the plates themselves).

 

[notto]

My 8 year old son recently informed me that this theory is being taught to him as a scientific fact. I remember when I was his age they taught it as a theory, not a fact.

Well John, we can measure the movement both of mountains being built where plates collide and the distance between plates where they are separating.

Not much theory left. The plates are moving, colliding, and building mountains.

This is a fact.

 

[notto]

It also helps cast a young earth light on all the evidence we have it did seperate! I admit, this bit is somewhat new, and I might be missing something, that actually rules it out as a possibility. So, I bring it up, anyone like or not like? We're close on this.

You missed the evidence that this has been going on for a very long time and at a very slow pace. Any explaination of a timeframe needs to take into account that evidence. All you have done is asserted that it happened during a short amount of time and my guess is that you are not that familiar with the evidence to the contrary considering you haven't addressed any evidence at all.

The formation of the Hawiian islands as well as other features such as folded rock falsifies rapid plate movement.

 

[Mallon]

Well John, we can measure the movement both of mountains being built where plates collide and the distance between plates where they are separating.

Not much theory left. The plates are moving, colliding, and building mountains.

This is a fact.

And, in fact, we can trace the edges of the plates as they subduct into the mantle (i.e. we can SEE the plates subducting).
Too bad a creation scientist didn't come up with the notion of continental drift first. One would think they get tired of riding on the coatails of real scientists and would want to claim something of their own.

 

[LaLaRu]

My 8 year old son recently informed me that this theory is being taught to him as a scientific fact. I remember when I was his age they taught it as a theory, not a fact.

So things that they weren't sure about when you were eight, they're sure about now. I guess all that gathering evidence and experiments had a use after all! Science marches on.

Yes they have an elevated opinion of themselves as time goes by.

Says the person who thinks all the mainstream scientists are wrong and he is correct.

 

[Nathan Poe]

That is, that it was the rotation of the earth. However, I postulate that the earth may have not been rotating, but the rest of the cosmos around us in the distant past. As the big change happened, (seperation of the spiritual leaving us in the temporary physical only universe) the earth started to rotate.
This took a little while to bring it up to speed, as I think it revolves around 1000mph, or so. This triggered the seperation of the continents perhaps. As we know, it almost looks like there is a giant rip, or seam in the earth, the ridges.

So, let's me see if I understand this: Pre-Split, the universe literally revolved around you.

It also helps cast a young earth light on all the evidence we have it did seperate! I admit, this bit is somewhat new, and I might be missing something, that actually rules it out as a possibility. So, I bring it up, anyone like or not like? We're close on this.

As long as you remember that this could not have happened before last Thursday, I'm game to see where your train of thought goes.

 

[dlamberth]

I would be surprised if they taught him that there was rapid seperation, and that the young earth mechanism was that the earth, the center of the universe, coming into it's present state of a physical only world- started rotating, triggering these things, rather than the slow old ages stuff. At least not this year.

If there were any evidance for this I suspect it would be taught. But just as you have never provided us with any evidance no one else has either, so we don't teach it.


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[dad]

You missed the evidence that this has been going on for a very long time and at a very slow pace. Any explaination of a timeframe needs to take into account that evidence. All you have done is asserted that it happened during a short amount of time and my guess is that you are not that familiar with the evidence to the contrary considering you haven't addressed any evidence at all.

You might be surprised.

The formation of the Hawiian islands as well as other features such as folded rock falsifies rapid plate movement.

I don't think that is in any way the case. The only way it could falsify it is if you could show the past was as the present, being a physical only world. If that were possible, you would have a pretty rock solid case. Fortunately, that is anything but the case, which means your whole case sits on a dream.
It simply points out, that the present conditions could not have applied in the past.
This is what I think must have been the case. The physical only laws, the laws of physics as we call them did not apply. Like the future will be, the matter in the past must have been both the spiritual and the physical.
... This was explored in other threads, and certain properties were found to have been different.
Two that directly affect the thread, and topic here are these properties. Merged matter cooled very fast. Also, there likely was substansial differences in the attractive force that is now gravity.
When one assumes just the present state of the world existed in the past, old age geology is the result. Since that assumption cannot be supported, old age reasoning, and viewing of the evidence, basically is worthless regarding time. It still has some merit though. For example it did help determine the continents did seperate, though incapable of understanding the times actually involved.

 

[dad]

And, in fact, we can trace the edges of the plates as they subduct into the mantle (i.e. we can SEE the plates subducting).
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Plates having edges is a surprise? That there is still some residual movement is a surprise? No. The question is not the present rate of spread, but the far past one. Sorry you missed that.

 

[dad]

So things that they weren't sure about when you were eight, they're sure about now. I guess all that gathering evidence and experiments had a use after all! Science marches on.
Says the person who thinks all the mainstream scientists are wrong and he is correct.

No I think science is quite right about a lot, in the little fishbowl of the present where they can swim!

 

[dlamberth]

I don't think that is in any way the case. The only way it could falsify it is if you could show the past was as the present, being a physical only world. If that were possible, you would have a pretty rock solid case..

It's you who have not falsified the Scientific explanation. You have no case until you have done so.

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[dad]

So, let's me see if I understand this: Pre-Split, the universe literally revolved around you.

No, I wasn't here then.

As long as you remember that this could not have happened before last Thursday, I'm game to see where your train of thought goes.

All parables are not equal. A revelation you may come to one day. Not all claims are equal either, like your last week creation one, but I don't want to get too fancy now.

 

[dad]

If there were any evidance for this I suspect it would be taught. But just as you have never provided us with any evidance no one else has either, so we don't teach it.


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Think about it. The evidence it always spead slowly is...? The islands formed and cooled slowly in the past because...? Matter was the same because...? For someone with no answers, you shouldn't throw stones.

 

[dlamberth]

I don't think that is in any way the case. The only way it could falsify it is if you could show the past was as the present, being a physical only world.

You have NEVER falsified that the past is as the present.

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[dad]

It's you who have not falsified the Scientific explanation. You have no case until you have done so.

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Can the past be shown not to be physical only? No? Then I guess your position would be unfalsifiable!!! Is that a position you want to call science now? Really.

 

[dlamberth]

Can the past be shown not to be physical only? No? Then I guess your position would be unfalsifiable!!! Is that a position you want to call science now? Really.

What's at issue here is that YOU have not falsified the scientific present explanation nor have you proved your own explanation. Until that happens the present scientific explanation has not been falsified thus it still stands.


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[dad]

What's at issue here is that YOU have not falsified the scientific present explanation nor have you proved your own explanation. Until that happens the present scientific explanation has not been falsified thus it still stands.


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I need not falsify the tooth fairy, or your claims, since they are unfalsifiable!
If they dealt with the present, we could talk. The only way they deal with the present is assume the past and future will be the same with no back up!

Anyone is free to look now at the entire scope of human experience, and documentary evidences. We can see now the limitations of the fishbowl that science actually deals in.

The bible specializes in this territory. We know that a different state of matter existed and will exist. It has to or the new heavens will decay like these ones do. The matter in the past also had to be different, and as such, the rapid continental spread was very possible. We can still have some heat and mountain building, etc. But we also can and do have the rapid continental movement.

It explains how the similar fossils could be now seperated. It agrees with all real evidence. Where it disagrees is purely in your unfalsifiable old age ideas!
And just think, you helped uncover one aspect of the differences in matter in another thread. The rapid cooling properties of the past.