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Penmark, I'm not entirely certain you and Herbie aren't the same person.
That said, of course not, because the Bible is NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. Go make your theocracy somewhere else.
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I'm on Herbie's side.
Congress was wrong. They did not base their interpretation of the Natural Born Clause on the Bible. They can't assume to know what is natural on their own, because they are only human.
The Constitution is a legal document.It's our Constitution. The clause was writen and agreed upon for a reason and the clause "natural born Citizen" replaced the original wording of "born Citizen" for a reason.
More than that, pennmark is stating that man can't define natural - which would make the use of the word bizarre in a legal document.Pennmark is stating that a man made law can not change what is 'natural'.
Are you calling me foreign and alien?I find those who hold that the 'supposition' bizarre to be holding a position even more "bizarre. Maybe even foreign and alien to this nation.
Whoa, there HH. Are you accusing me of being anti-God simply because I say that man can know what is natural and what is man-made?So sad to see this written. I used to hold out hope the not all Uni's were anti-God
Hey, you're breaking board rules here....and really no different than Atheists.
Yes, Herbie, if man uses the word "natural" in a clause of a legal document, the foundation of our laws, then he better know what the word means.Man only knows what he 'thinks' is natural and a lot of Men reckognize that man made laws can not change what is natural by God's law.
I'm sorry - it's just stupid to say that man cannot define the word "natural". He has defined it in many contexts, time and time again so to say he can't defies the reality of what has been done.
That's just absurd to say that only God knows what is natural. Absurd and untrue.
Penmark, I'm not entirely certain you and Herbie aren't the same person.
That said, of course not, because the Bible is NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. Go make your theocracy somewhere else.
More than that, pennmark is stating that man can't define natural - which would make the use of the word bizarre in a legal document.
Tell me, what is the possibility of distinguishing between natural and what is man-made if no one but God can say what "natural" means?
If its possible for humans to know what is natural without help from God, then why does our definition of what is natural keep changing?
We can choose to define something as being natural if we wish. But if that definition does not respect God's natural law, then it will not be truly natural, and the definition will fail us.
The problem with defining "natural born" as meaning "native born" is that it does not respect God's natural law concerning Fathers and children. Children are meant to be rewards from God to their Fathers, and that means the Father's nation must accept his children as being citizens.
The purpose of the Natural Born clause, so far as I can tell, is to provide the American people with a leader who is natural for them. If we don't respect God's Natural Law, we run the risk of electing Presidents who are not truly natural for us.
I haven't noticed that it does keep changing.If its possible for humans to know what is natural without help from God, then why does our definition of what is natural keep changing?
Where does the Bible define "Natural Born", chapter, verse?If we use the Bible to help us determine what "Natural Born" meant to the men who wrote the Constitution, that's not establishing a religion.
Got any valid examples?
Where does the Bible define "Natural Born", chapter, verse?
Our definition of what a "Natural Born Citizen" is keeps changing.
According to what I've read, 2008 was the first time America knowingly voted for a President whose father was not American. Chester Arthur's father was a British Subject, but he deliberately hid that fact from the American public before he was elected. Why did he feel he needed to hide it?
The Bible doesn't outright define "Natural Born".
The Bible doesn't outright define "Natural Born". In order for our definition of Natural Born to be truly natural, however, we need to respect God's natural law that children are God's reward to their Fathers.
Whose reward are fatherless children?The Bible doesn't outright define "Natural Born". In order for our definition of Natural Born to be truly natural, however, we need to respect God's natural law that children are God's reward to their Fathers.
The United States can be so tediously backwards, sometimes. This whole native citizenship requirement is so primitive. I wouldn't have any problem with a dual citizen running if they are willing to renounce their dual-citizenship.
I must say I do not agree much with the OP's opinion on natural born, or this absence of female influence. With my husband being in the Corps, I have a huge influence on my son.. I raise him to be a proud American, teach him of G-d's love and how to be a good man. Is that not good enough for my son to one day be President?
What if your Husband was not in the Corps? What if he were some foriegn prince, or some other alien with foriegn entanglements? What if he were the King of Saudi Arabia? Your son would still legally be American, but do you think he would be "natural born" and eligible to run for President?
Children, of course, belong to their Mothers. They will most likely live with their Mothers in their Mother's country. Men are different from women in that they can possibly scatter their seed all over the world.
Children must be seen as naturally belonging to their Fathers, even if not legally, to keep Fathers accountable for their children, wherever in the world they may be.
So it's not about Natural Born anymore, it's about the "Natural Law" whatever that means.
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