Constitution Party?

[Irenaeus]

These guys may be our new Catholic vote...

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_history.php

The Constitution Party is the only party which is completely pro-life, anti-homosexual rights, pro-American sovereignty, anti-globalist, anti-free trade, anti-deindustrialization, anti-unchecked immigration, pro-second amendment, and against the constantly increasing expansion of unlawful police laws, in favor of a strong national defense and opposed to unconstitutional interventionism.

I hope by anti-homosexual rights, they don't mean, against equal rights in the workplace, for example. And I hope by anti-free trade, they do not hamper our Capitalist system.

But other than that, they have my vote!

 

[stray bullet]

These guys may be our new Catholic vote...

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_history.php

Too bad their name is ironic.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

My (aethist LOL!) husband has been telling me to vote for them for years!!

I just, at this point feel that I am specifically voting for a guy who will be able to get good judges onto the courts. And with an election so close as the last one and probably this one that any vote not for Bush is a essentially a vote for Kerry.....

 

[Michelina]

Great Link, Irenaeus!

If Catholics and others would unite politically in a party like this, there may yet be hope for this country and the world.

 

[Irenaeus]

Shannon,

I would agree with you.

In my view, political parties are no longer representing the beliefs, values and interests of the people. People are molded to political parties these days, not the other way around.

If we could break the two party system, it would be wonderful.

 

[stray bullet]

Great Link, Irenaeus!

If Catholics and others would unite politically in a party like this, there may yet be hope for this country and the world.

The problem with the Constitution party is their clear lack of understanding on the Constitution. Much of their platform includes adding stuff to it that doesn't belong there.

I'm all for overturning Roe Vs. Wade, but not outlawing abortion in the Constitution, not even rape is outlawed in the Constitution.

The Constitution Party is just another party in a long line of wacky parties that want to enforce morality in whatever way possible.

 

[Michelina]

If we could break the two party system, it would be wonderful.

A party that all Christians (and others) could join is what we need.

What about a Natural Law party?

We would need to work on the name, I guess.

 

[Irenaeus]

stray,

I think it's quite in the American spirit to defend the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (though this clause is not in the Constitution) This is the foundation of our civil law, and is very close to God's eternal law, that is, that each person has the right to life as God appoints, and that through freedom of will, can choose the path to life or the path to death. This is the choice of the individual.

Abortion is the annihilation of this fundamental cornerstone of civil law.

Now when it comes to states rights and such things as the Constitution party may be "iffy" about...hmm.

Stray, also,

The Democrats and the Republicans force their moralities onto us. Every single law made, ever...has an idea, morally or philosophically or both, behind it.

For example, the Constitution does not have a declaration against rape, as you said. However, it is an implicit belief, because a person's freedoms are specifically violated by coercion, via rape.

Roe v Wade? A judicial decision based upon the philosophical presupposition that all children in the womb possess little or nill human rights compared to those who are born.

To overturn Roe v Wade would be the result of Justices who probably believe unborn human life has intrinsic dignity.

Whether immorality, amorality, or morality is legislated, everyone is propagating their philosophies...people complain about morality being shoved down other people's throats...what about amorality? Why should I have to pay with my taxes the slaughter of infants by government funded Planned Parenthood? What about the self-evident witness of the natural law?

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

What about a Natural Law party?

Sounds like a weekend social gathering at Stuebenville!!

 

[Michelina]

You must spread some
Reputation around before
giving it to Irenaeus again.​

 

[Michelina]

Sounds like a weekend social gathering at Stuebenville!!

I probably won't even get an invitation, Shannon!

 

[Dream]

1) The Constitution isn't on the ballot in many states.

2) A vote for the Peroutka is a vote against Bush.

 

[Irenaeus]

Heck, if we have it Michelina's way, we'll be the Thomist Party.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Heck, if we have it Michelina's way, we'll be the Thomist Party.

Yeah, baby!!

 

[stray bullet]

stray,

I think it's quite in the American spirit to defend the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (though this clause is not in the Constitution) This is the foundation of our civil law, and is very close to God's eternal law, that is, that each person has the right to life as God appoints, and that through freedom of will, can choose the path to life or the path to death. This is the choice of the individual.

I am all for these things. What concerns me is doing them in the proper way. To make abortion illegal by the Constitution is as wrong as going next door and throwing a brick through his window for not giving you your lawnmower back. Law must be respected before you can expect people to respect the law. You don't contact a Senator to fix a pothole in your street.

Abortion is the annihilation of this fundamental cornerstone of civil law.

Now when it comes to states rights and such things as the Constitution party may be "iffy" about...hmm.

Abortion should be made illegal by the states like all other civil laws. It should not be made a Federal crime.

Stray, also,

The Democrats and the Republicans force their moralities onto us. Every single law made, ever...has an idea, morally or philosophically or both, behind it.

Well, this is where I disagree with a lot of Catholics here- I believe government exists to protect our rights, not to enforce morality.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Do you think the Civil Rights ammendments were superfluous to the Constitution? What about the one making blacks count as more than 3/5's of a person? Abortion involves removing the right to life to an entire segment of the population... just as liberty was removed from an entire segment of the population, until specifically corrected and clarified in the Constitution...

 

[stray bullet]

Do you think the Civil Rights ammendments were superfluous to the Constitution? What about the one making blacks count as more than 3/5's of a person? Abortion involves removing the right to life to an entire segment of the population... just as liberty was removed from an entire segment of the population, until specifically corrected and clarified in the Constitution...

The location of a law doesn't indicate its importance. Many Federal offenses are far less gruesome and damaging than civil matters.

Abortion must be outlawed by the states.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

The location of a law doesn't indicate its importance. Many Federal offenses are far less gruesome and damaging than civil matters.

Abortion must be outlawed by the states.

The Constitution sets forth and clarifies all of the MOST BASIC RIGHTS of ALL individuals living in this country- among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness- no? The most basic and fundamental right is that to life- which is being denied to an enormous percentange of our population-- this is a basic and fundamental right, inherent in the rights spelled out by our Founding Fathers. The reason that it is not a matter of states rights, in my opinion, is because it is a clarification of that which was set forth by our founding fathers- as meant for all, to be protected for all. Slavery was not a matter to left to the states to decide. Blacks and women being able to vote was not a matter to be left to the states to decide. A black person being counted as a whole person was not a matter left up to the states to decide.... why because these issues deal with basic and fundamental rights for ALL citizens, equally, in the same fashion....

 

[Michelina]

if we have it Michelina's way, we'll be the Thomist Party.

Yeah, baby!!

Okay, now that we have the name-problem solved, let's move on to the planks of our platform.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Okay, now that we have the name-problem solved, let's move on to the planks of our platform.

Can we begin with something about speedy clearing of large animal road kill?