Constitution of the U.S

[mathinspiration]

Were the writers Biblical inspired or plain old politicians, etc?

 

[drjean]

They were devote Christians, led by God and they give God the credit for the USA. No men, by themselves, could compose such a long-lasting, future inspiring, enduring document... as is proved by the failure of all other nations' documents.

 

[JackRT]

They were devote Christians, led by God and they give God the credit for the USA. No men, by themselves, could compose such a long-lasting, future inspiring, enduring document... as is proved by the failure of all other nations' documents.

That is a very bold statement which has very little evidence to back it up.

 

[drjean]

That is a very bold statement which has very little evidence to back it up.

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I happen to have read it (the US Constitution) and it's supporting documents, biographies of those who composed it. That is my statement.

 

[JackRT]

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I happen to have read it (the US Constitution) and it's supporting documents, biographies of those who composed it. That is my statement.

They were devote Christians,

Many of them were Christians in name only. They were first and foremost educated men of the enlightenment --- the leading liberals of their day. A great many were deists and/or Masons and some were actively hostile towards Christianity.

led by God

That can certainly be claimed but not proven.

and they give God the credit for the USA.

One has to ponder if they were just using the common parlance of the day or if they were actually sincere in those words.

No men, by themselves, could compose such a long-lasting, future inspiring, enduring document...

It certainly is an inspiring document but it is entirely man made. It is so enduring that it has needed to be amended 26 times and desperately needs to be looked at again.

as is proved by the failure of all other nations' documents.

And THAT is pure unadulterated male bovine excrement.

 

[JackRT]

I should add that I understand your patriotism and your love of your country because I am a patriot too, a Canadian patriot. However, I am a realist and I know that some of our leaders were very flawed human beings and that some of our history is very dark.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

To be fair, some of the framers of the Constitution were Christians, but many were Deists. Think of Thomas Jefferson, which is why the Declaration of Independence says "endowed by their Creator" instead of "by God".

The problem is that the Founding Fathers of the US founded the country on an act of rebellion against their Christian sovereign, on account of taxation. This goes against Rendering unto Caesar, as well as Pauline injunctions to respect the civil authority. It doesn't mean it wasn't justified, but its religious justification is problematic at best. So how devout they really were, as opposed to normal flawed humans is debatable (in this case politicians and lawyers to boot, not renowned for probity).
Certainly Christian principles played a part, but I'd be wary to pontificate on this above more secular concerns therein.

 

[Resha Caner]

Were the writers Biblical inspired or plain old politicians, etc?

They were a mixture of many different views. Some were devout Christians, but not all.

 

[Believer-to-Righteousness]

Were the writers Biblical inspired or plain old politicians, etc?

they were children to, more so than not, devout Church attendees, I think.

 

[Anto9us]

Jefferson was more the Deist, and wrote Declaration.
I think Madison had a big part in Constitution, don't know his leanings.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Were the writers Biblical inspired or plain old politicians, etc?

They were sinners, some or all of them greedy (probably).

The system of justice in the united states is not righteous, not just, not based on truth, not based on Scripture, not based on Yahweh's Way(s).

(spending millions of dollars defending people known to be guilty is not right at all.
Plea bargains and bribery is so common, no, it is not right at all.
The 'victims' being declared GUILTY unless they prove their innocence is not right, no , not at all.
Protecting the perpetrators of mass (or common) murder is not right at all.
Instigating murder without conscience, without need, without reason in truth is not right at all.)

 

[Bob Crowley]

Another factor to be considered is that they were all Europeans as far as I know, and most of them would have been from Western Europe. As such, they'd have been well aware of the Wars of Religion which had raged through Western Europe in what was then recent times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

One of their key concerns would have been that there should not be a repetition of the violence and division which had decimated Europe (for example William Shirer in his salutary book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" claimed that the population of Germany declined from sixteen million to six million).

The first settlers were Puritans fleeing persecution, but they soon set up their own persecution (eg. the Salem Witch trials).

With these examples in mind, and knowing how religion had also caused turmoil in Britain, whose rule they overthrew, the Constitution writers would have been on their watch about religious intolerance. This didn't mean they were necessarily Christians, but they all came from Christian backgrounds, and the main experience they had was that of a violently divided Christendom, whether they personally believed in Christ or not.

They didn't want a repeat.

 

[FenderTL5]

IMHO:
To equate the US Constitution with scripture (inspired) both elevates the Constitution where it does not belong and diminishes the Holy writ.
YMMV

 

[Annie Proclivite]

Were the writers Biblical inspired or plain old politicians, etc?

The United States Constitution was written by secular politicians who didn’t give a whit for God. Had they actually been pious men, they wouldn’t have allowed restrictions on Christianity. The USA should be a Christian nation. Unfortunately due to the Founding Fathers’ moral corruption, we don’t have an official state religion or national reverence for Christ.

 

[Arcangl86]

The United States Constitution was written by secular politicians who didn’t give a whit for God. Had they actually been pious men, they wouldn’t have allowed restrictions on Christianity. The USA should be a Christian nation. Unfortunately due to the Founding Fathers’ moral corruption, we don’t have an official state religion or national reverence for Christ.

Why should the USA be a Christian nation?

 

[JackRT]

Why should the USA be a Christian nation?

Canada, the USA and many other nations are multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-religious and there is no way of stopping that or even reversing that. Moreover, I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[timtams]

They were deists, masons and church goers. Why and how could the constitution be inspired? Inspired by ancient Greek and Roman pagan political systems more like.

 

[Babe Ruth]

some were actively hostile towards Christianity..[\QUOTE]

 

[Babe Ruth]

Many of them were Christians in name only. They were first and foremost educated men of the enlightenment --- the leading liberals of their day. A great many were deists and/or Masons and some were actively hostile towards Christianity.



That can certainly be claimed but not proven.



One has to ponder if they were just using the common parlance of the day or if they were actually sincere in those words.



It certainly is an inspiring document but it is entirely man made. It is so enduring that it has needed to be amended 26 times and desperately needs to be looked at again.



And THAT is pure unadulterated male bovine excrement.

 

[JackRT]

They were deists, masons and church goers. Why and how could the constitution be inspired? Inspired by ancient Greek and Roman pagan political systems more like.

Yes, Greek and Roman but also a great deal from "The Great Law" of the Six Nations Confederacy.