Constantine Creed..

[visionary]

The Constantine Creed

“I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms, unleavened breads and sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all the other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspirations, purifications, sanctifications, and propitiations, and fasts and new moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants, and observances and synagogues, absolutely everything Jewish, every Law, rite and custom and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Cain and the leprosy of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may I be an anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.”
(Stefano Assemani, Acta Sanctorium Martyrum Orientalium at Occidentalium, Vol. 1, Rome 1748, page 105)

How many still believe this to be true?

 

[98cwitr]

That last sentence really confuses me.

 

[Standing Up]

Yikes. When was that written and by whom?

 

[98cwitr]

I think Hilter would have lived by this creed entirely

 

[visionary]

That last sentence really confuses me.

Ok.. let me ask you.. how much of this do you agree with?

 

[98cwitr]

Well, my thought is since Jesus thought from the Old Testament and Paul tells us that all Scripture is God breathed then to flat out reject "absolutely everything Jewish" would be to reject Christ Himself and to, via proxy, reject God even.

The creed is contradictory imho.

 

[Harry3142]

We Christians have our own code of conduct which absolutely forbids such hate-filled creeds:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatiuans 5:16-26,NIV)

'The acts of the sinful nature' are those desires and motivations which culminate in the commission of sinful acts. Those motivations include hatred, which obviously lies at the heart of The Constantine Creed. Because of this, it cannot be accepted as a truly Christian creed.

Instead, what we say and do as Christians (and this includes our creeds) must have those motivations listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit' as their point of origin. It is only when what we say and do emanates from these 'fruit' that our words and actions can be seen as truly conforming to what God wants of us. Just as 'the acts of the sinful nature' contain those desires and motivations which are the origin of every sinful act committed, even so 'the fruit of the Spirit' contains those desires and motivations which are the origin of every righteous act performed.

 

[brevis]

Let me state the obvious:

This is not a creed, but a statement of intention.

 

[visionary]

We Christians have our own code of conduct which absolutely forbids such hate-filled creeds:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatiuans 5:16-26,NIV)

'The acts of the sinful nature' are those desires and motivations which culminate in the commission of sinful acts. Those motivations include hatred, which obviously lies at the heart of The Constantine Creed. Because of this, it cannot be accepted as a truly Christian creed.

Instead, what we say and do as Christians (and this includes our creeds) must have those motivations listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit' as their point of origin. It is only when what we say and do emanates from these 'fruit' that our words and actions can be seen as truly conforming to what God wants of us. Just as 'the acts of the sinful nature' contain those desires and motivations which are the origin of every sinful act committed, even so 'the fruit of the Spirit' contains those desires and motivations which are the origin of every righteous act performed.

I like that.. but I truly believe that there were many gathered around the flames of the martyrs believing they were doing a great favor by committing their souls to God while their flesh they were committing to the stakes..

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

The Constantine Creed

“I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms, unleavened breads and sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all the other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspirations, purifications, sanctifications, and propitiations, and fasts and new moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants, and observances and synagogues, absolutely everything Jewish, every Law, rite and custom and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Cain and the leprosy of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may I be an anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.”
(Stefano Assemani, Acta Sanctorium Martyrum Orientalium at Occidentalium, Vol. 1, Rome 1748, page 105)

How many still believe this to be true?

I don't understand why you say "still believe"?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I like that.. but I truly believe that there were many gathered around the flames of the martyrs believing they were doing a great favor by committing their souls to God while their flesh they were committing to the stakes..

By bro Saint W Tyndale comes to mind

John 16:2 out of the synagogues they will put you;
but an hour doth come, that every one who hath killed you, may think to offer service unto God;


http://www.christianforums.com/t7495160-32/#post55593096
Tyndale and defying the Pope

........Tyndale was arrested and imprisoned in the castle of Vilvoorden for over 500 days of horrible conditions.
He was tried for heresy and treason in a ridiculously unfair trial, and convicted.
Tyndale was then strangled and burnt at the stake in the prison yard, Oct. 6, 1536.....

http://www.christianforums.com/t6486531-9/#post41067049
That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.

 

[Harry3142]

I like that.. but I truly believe that there were many gathered around the flames of the martyrs believing they were doing a great favor by committing their souls to God while their flesh they were committing to the stakes..

What many people don't know is that the church did not have the authority to put anyone to death. When it was done, it was performed under the sole authority of the state, and was the sentence which that state imposed on those who had willfully either followed different guidance than the recognized church provided, or asked questions which indicated that they had read forbidden doctrines. But in both cases it was a purely legalistic judgement handed down by those in secular authority.

As for the sentence itself, The official stand at that time was that since they consdered blood as being the lifeforce of all mankind, it would be a sin to spill it on the ground. So instead the person was to be burned alive so that his blood would remain with his body as it turned to ashes. But the reality was that a death such as this was a warning to all those who even thought of any action other than abject submission to the official church of that region. Even the way that the stakes were constructed (an english stake was built high enough so that the executioner could not strangle or render unconscious the victim beforehand, which was a recognized custom in other regions), extra devices such as an iron collar around the neck and attached to the stake to keep smoke from ending the victim's life prematurely, the fact that many of the victims were stripped naked prior to being burned, and the wood itself (some wood burned longer, but its flames only reached the level of the average waist) were all intended to impress on the onlookers the suffering that awaited them if they strayed from the path that the official church had set for them.

 

[Michaelismyname]

The Constantine Creed

“I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms, unleavened breads and sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all the other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspirations, purifications, sanctifications, and propitiations, and fasts and new moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants, and observances and synagogues, absolutely everything Jewish, every Law, rite and custom and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Cain and the leprosy of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may I be an anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.”
(Stefano Assemani, Acta Sanctorium Martyrum Orientalium at Occidentalium, Vol. 1, Rome 1748, page 105)

How many still believe this to be true?

I have never heard of this let alone read it - now that I have i think it is wrong on so many levels and is disobedient in so many aspects .
it also answers the question i had in regard to why Christians don't celebrate the feast of tabernacles ..of course i have never considered the rcc to be christian in any form but a shiny gold and scarlet mask covering a nest of vipers

 

[Keachian]

Well the "Creed" makes no sense, I did find this through a google search of it though:
Hunting the wild (mis)quotation at Roger Pearse

 

[New_Wineskin]

edited : nm

 

[Radagast]

Well the "Creed" makes no sense, I did find this through a google search of it though:
Hunting the wild (mis)quotation at Roger Pearse

Good find!

 

[Keachian]

Good find!

It also came up on quite a few anti-paul-esque sites

 

[Michaelismyname]

oh well- what little I know of Constantine -whether the original posted copy of that creed was his or not matters not at all to me .
I do not follow Constantine - I follow the Lord Jesus and he said "you shall know them by their fruits " Based on what little I know the man does not appear to ever have been born again of water and SPIRIT .God knows .

but Constantine sure didn't get Christianity for the good of the kingdom of God . seems to me he got it for personal gain and power

 

[visionary]

Well the "Creed" makes no sense, I did find this through a google search of it though:
Hunting the wild (mis)quotation at Roger Pearse

That is excellent find... It adds more to the story ... One thing is for sure.. the more that it dug into the story. .. the more that can be found out whether it is a prevailing attitude of the times too.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/jewish-oaths.asp

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by progmonk Well the "Creed" makes no sense, I did find this through a google search of it though:
Hunting the wild (mis)quotation at Roger Pearse

Good find!

What impressed you the most about it?

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