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Conspiracy Theory: Phantom time hypothesis

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Oh man, so many just picking what to believe because it only makes them more comfortable or feeling to be special or in the in-group? ah, man...

Well, when you put it that way it doesn't sound like a great hypothesis.
 
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Well, when you put it that way it doesn't sound like a great hypothesis.
But I worry that it may be largely correct, or correct for many instead of just a few. How many are just choosing to believe a story because it makes them feel special or in the know.

See, I was surprised that so many fell for Trump's salesmanship, where he trumps up stuff he does, and discounts what others do, and so on, creating illusion. That so many buy his illusions.
 
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Yeah, I saw that little bit about Heribert Illig's theoretical proposition mentioned in the article you linked in the OP.

While I'm not much on calling him a 'revisionist' since all attempts at writing or presenting 'history' are revisionistic and subject to a person's perspective and process of thematic selection to some degree, I think we all know that novel interpretations about the past tend to sell better, especially if they overturn some earlier, very cherished claim by this or that group.

In the article, the problem isn't revisionism so much as it is negationism. And with this in mind, this is one reason it's important for Hermeneutics (and Historiography and Philosophy of History) to play a part in how we approach any report, old or new, when evaluating what it is we think we're being handed.

I don't know enough about Illig's mindset yet in order to evaluate his motives, but y'know... I hear that those Bavarians can be quite innovative!
 
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podcast cited here was enjoyable and covers a bit of that

Ong's Hat, anyone?
That was a pretty long audio, and I listened in the back ground but wasn't always paying attention, because I like to read (more fast), so how would you yourself summarize what makes people believe conspiracy theories?
 
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so how would you yourself summarize what makes people believe conspiracy theories?

I think at first its a fun entertaining thought presented as reality
But as more pieces are presented a couple of things happen
The mind likes the 'whoa this could be true' moments
And if it's not really all that happy about the reality it is in
It might like them better than the 'Stop: this is true' moments.
It likes solving puzzles and riddles
And making connections
So the theory allows it to go into this mode
While the propagators can submit other little dots every now and then
As well, it forms a clique
Because minds like like-minds
So it's a bit like shunting someone into an addictive alternate reality
Than then becomes self propagating
And if you add political emotional incentives to all of these things
(emotion and "the need to be right" can be *quite* addictive)
(Most Conspiracy theories present an 'Enemy' of a sort)
It can really turn into a one-way street
Even when the creator of Ong's Hat fessed up
There was a subsection that wouldn't believe him
And then thought he was part of the conspiracy
He accidentally created something that went beyond his control

I find them extraordinarily dangerous. It's a subtle disassociation from Truth, (at first entertained largely for entertainment sake) but it continues to the point where Truth is no longer recognized or even recognizable.

Also, one of the nice things about fighting a vast conspiracy is that it leaves you no time for self-reflection. Which is exactly the sort of thing you would need, to escape this kind of entrapment in a conspiracy theory.
 
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Very interesting and makes sense. At first a mix of some actual things woven in a way that is entertaining.... but hooks come along and pull people in deeper.
 
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I haven’t been reading about this so I don’t know but I do know that we are lied about true history. For example we are lied about giants, that they never existed but there is tons of proof that they did. Also there is lot of lies about wars and such.
 
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Wait a minute.

You're from Finland...



 
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