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Considering Lutheranism - any converts here?

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I have recently left the Catholic church and looking for a home. I am drawn to a non-denominational setting and or baptist, but have not considered Lutheranism that much.

I have studied a lot of church history, and scripture as well, but some things are still not clear for me. I am not a believer in the "once saved always saved" which puts me outside most Baptist groups.

But I recently watched a local Lutheran service on line, and they did a general confession during service, and then the pastor said "I absolve you of your sins". He does not - God does - so it just felt too Catholic for me to be comfortable.

Any thoughts from any converts here, or anyone else really?

I am solidly conservative, and like good community - so those are things I am looking for.
Thank you!
 

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I have recently left the Catholic church and looking for a home. I am drawn to a non-denominational setting and or baptist, but have not considered Lutheranism that much.

I have studied a lot of church history, and scripture as well, but some things are still not clear for me. I am not a believer in the "once saved always saved" which puts me outside most Baptist groups.

But I recently watched a local Lutheran service on line, and they did a general confession during service, and then the pastor said "I absolve you of your sins". He does not - God does - so it just felt too Catholic for me to be comfortable.

Any thoughts from any converts here, or anyone else really?

I am solidly conservative, and like good community - so those are things I am looking for.
Thank you!
That's interesting. At the Lutheran Church that I attended some years back, the pastor would say something like,
As a called and ordained minister of Christ, I declare to you the entire forgiveness of all your sins.

That might not be exact, I'm quoting from memory.

But I'm pretty sure it was
I declare to you
not
I absolve you

I wonder if the person you heard was outside of the Lutheran norms?
 
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That's interesting. At the Lutheran Church that I attended some years back, the pastor would say something like,
As a called and ordained minister of Christ, I declare to you the entire forgiveness of all your sins.

That might not be exact, I'm quoting from memory.

But I'm pretty sure it was
I declare to you
not
I absolve you

I wonder if the person you heard was outside of the Lutheran norms?

That sounds better. I'll look a little deeper.
 
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Both my mother’s & father’s sides of the family are predominantly RC but our particular household was nominal at best although I personally identified as RC. At 30 years old I became a full blow Born again evangelical ranging from Baptist to AoG for about twenty years. In my 50’s I lost a good job with a pension which caused me to dig deeper into Christianity and cling tighter to Christ leading me to investigate the history of Christianity. For several years I investigated Eastern Orthodoxy. Chose Lutheranism being that it is historic and Evangelical.
 
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Both my mother’s & father’s sides of the family are predominantly RC but our particular household was nominal at best although I personally identified as RC. At 30 years old I became a full blow Born again evangelical ranging from Baptist to AoG for about twenty years. In my 50’s I lost a good job with a pension which caused me to dig deeper into Christianity and cling tighter to Christ leading me to investigate the history of Christianity. For several years I investigated Eastern Orthodoxy. Chose Lutheranism being that it is historic and Evangelical.

I kind of see that - Lutheranism being a little more historical in thought yet evangelical. I love the Baptist communities - vibrant, energy, etc. But I am not ready for a drum set in the front of church yet, and just can't agree with Once Saved Always Saved - which is a deal breaker in most Baptist arenas.
 
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I have recently left the Catholic church and looking for a home. I am drawn to a non-denominational setting and or baptist, but have not considered Lutheranism that much.

I have studied a lot of church history, and scripture as well, but some things are still not clear for me. I am not a believer in the "once saved always saved" which puts me outside most Baptist groups.

But I recently watched a local Lutheran service on line, and they did a general confession during service, and then the pastor said "I absolve you of your sins". He does not - God does - so it just felt too Catholic for me to be comfortable.

Any thoughts from any converts here, or anyone else really?

I am solidly conservative, and like good community - so those are things I am looking for.
Thank you!
I’m a convert from Catholicism. I started going to the Lutheran LCMS church near my home about 5 years ago, or so. I love it but mine is a contemporary church.
 
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Although I consider our Evangelical brothers and sisters Christian I could never again not recognize sacramental theology and non-liturgical services seem blade now especially after just going through Holy week.
 
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I have to be honest, the thing I struggle with the most in Lutheranism is Baptismal Regeneration. It seems like it's the idea that baptism alone saves, without faith. I guess it ends up in the infant baptism discussion.

Any thoughts?
 
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Not a convert-I raised and confirmed LCMS, my husband and I have been attending a WELS church since 1993. I have been seriously looking into both the RCC earlier and the EO more lately, and have found barriers to both(which I won't go into at this time here.) Regarding Baptismal regeneration I don't think it's true that Lutherans believe that baptism saves without faith, but I will let the more theologically knowledged weigh in on that(calling @ Daniel 9V9?)
I attended a non-denominational church for several years out on the West Coast and I loved many things about it but I had to return to my Lutheran roots as I believe in the Real Presence, Baptismal Regeneration and I do believe as far as Protestants go the Lutherans are as close as you can get to following what the Bible actually says while still being the closest to historical Christianity of the early Church.
My husband was raised non denominational(attended Baptist and Assemblies of God) and loves the Lutheran church as he had never before been aware of the church year, Advent, Lent, the Real presence, and basic church history, for that matter. He struggled with infant baptism but has always believed in the real presence so a good fit for him.
We are confessional Lutherans(WELS) as we are very conservative both theologically and socially.
I love traditional liturgy and our WELs congregation is litugical, but maybe more low church. Some are high Church and some low church.(In liturgy.) But we do follow a traditional liturgy.
Confessional Lutheranism is divided between the LCMS, WELS and ELS.
 
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Not a convert-I raised and confirmed LCMS, my husband and I have been attending a WELS church since 1993. I have been seriously looking into both the RCC earlier and the EO more lately, and have found barriers to both(which I won't go into at this time here.) Regarding Baptismal regeneration I don't think it's true that Lutherans believe that baptism saves without faith, but I will let the more theologically knowledged weigh on that(calling @ Daniel 9V9?)
I attended a non-denominational church for several years out on the West Coast and I loved many things about it but I had to return to my Lutheran roots as I believe in the Real Presence, Baptismal Regeneration and I do believe as far as Protestants go the Lutherans are as close as you can get to following what the Bible actually says while still being the closest to historical Christianity of the early Church.
My husband was raised non denominational(attended Baptist and Assemblies of God) and loves the Lutheran church as he had never before been aware of the church year, Advent, Lent, the Real presence, and basic church history, for that matter. He struggled with infant baptism but has always believed in the real presence so a good fit for him.
We are confessional Lutherans(WELS) as we are very conservative both theologically and socially.
I love traditional liturgy and our WELs congregation is litugical, but maybe more low church. Some are high Church and some low church.(In liturgy.) But we do follow a traditional liturgy.
Confessional Lutheranism is divided between the LCMS, WELS and ELS.

I see a lot of things I like in Lutheranism. It's in line with both Scripture and early church history about as good as I can find.

There are a ton of dogmas you have to submit to for the RCC, and so many are late add ins, and no scriptural basis, and it's just near impossible for me to reconcile with those things. Lack of married clergy has had a huge impact on how things run IMHO as well.

And I tend to run very conservative, so my perspective is not one of wanting liberty to do whatever.
 
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I see a lot of things I like in Lutheranism. It's in line with both Scripture and early church history about as good as I can find.

There are a ton of dogmas you have to submit to for the RCC, and so many are late add ins, and no scriptural basis, and it's just near impossible for me to reconcile with those things. Lack of married clergy has had a huge impact on how things run IMHO as well.

And I tend to run very conservative, so my perspective is not one of wanting liberty to do whatever.
Recommend reading: Luther's Large and small cathechism, The Augsburg confessions, the Spirituality of the Cross by Gene Vieth. I'm a confessional Lutheran due to being very conservative, I will admit I like the episcopal polity better, though. I'm a "Mere Christianity" Christian. Although I consider Evangelical Christians brothers and sisters in Christ, I agree with what Tigger 45 said above.
I also consider RCC and EO part of the Body. I agree with you about married clergy although that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me otherwise.
 
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I was a convert to Lutheranism from the RCC as well. It is a good fit if you like the Catholic liturgy (assuming the Lutheran church you are looking at is more liturgical as they are not all). Theologically Lutheranism would not say the pastor is absolving you of the sins, it is not at all like the RCC in that regard. The liturgy, depending on one used, may have wording similar to that, but it is simply a general corporate absolution. It is not required for one to confess individually to a pastor who absolves the sin like in the RCC. However, some Lutheran churches do offer confession, but again, the absolution is not exactly like in the RCC.

If you are considering different denominations, you should look into their position on the Eucharist and what you believe about it. The understandings are very different between Lutherans, Baptists (which vary themselves), and Non-denominational. The Eucharist is still a central part of the Lutheran liturgy, but not so much in the other options you mentioned.

I found the Lutheran church a great fit after leaving the RCC.
 
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Hey, I'm glad to hear about your interest in the Lutheran Church! Besides prayerfully considering things, I'd be glad to briefly offer where I come from and what drew me to the Lutheran Church.

I was raised Pentecostal and spent much time in charismatic and non-denominational churches. While it's my experience that many in those denominations are very sincere and passionate for our Lord, I was blown away by how clearly God's Word is proclaimed in the Lutheran Church and how rich and Christ-centric Lutheran theology is. I greatly appreciate the Lutheran understanding of Law and Gospel, of Justification and Sanctification, and of Word and Sacraments, and also, that while tradition and reason are valued, they are always governed by God's Word, which means that in Lutheran theology, holy mysteries are embraced.

I serve in the Lutheran Church now, and one part of my work is to make Lutheran theology more readily accessible, so I'm digitising older works, reformatting and expanding them a bit, and publishing them for free. If you're interested in learning more about Lutheran theology, I can recommend skimming through our Epitomy from our Lutheran Confessions (the Concordia): The Epitome – Luco

Regarding the phrase "I absolve you of your sins" — You're quite right — the pastor does not have the authority to forgive sins in his name. What's in mind here is John 20:19-23, which is called the Office of the Keys, which Jesus gives to His Church, whereby He commands and promises us the following:

"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld."


It's comparable to Baptism, which God works through His Church. That is, it's not by the power or authority of the pastor that people are baptised, and people are not baptised in the pastor's name, but they are baptised in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So it's God's Baptism exercised by His Church, by His will, command, and power.

Many Lutheran churches like the strong language of "I forgive you" as it's intended for their comfort — that is, it's not conditional, but simply good news that the contrite can receive without doubting if it's truly for them. However, many other Lutheran churches do use a conditional language. Our own church body does, for example. There are pros and cons to both if rightly understood. I, personally, prefer a conditional public Absolution (because there may be some unrepentant congregants), but an unconditional individual Absolution (as, in this case, those who are burdened by sin are in need of God's grace — the Gospel). In our services, I like to say:

(After the public confession of sins)

"Hear then, the promise from the Holy Scriptures, which God has promised those who truly repent of their sins and in faith turn to Him for forgiveness through His son Jesus Christ, our Lord, who bled and died for our sins upon the cross:

“As far as the east is from the west, so far does He remove our transgressions from us.”

Upon your confession, I, by virtue of my office, as a called and ordained servant of the Word, announce the grace of God to all of you who truly repent — who trust only in the person and works of our Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation — I affirm His promise of forgiveness to you in the name of the Father, and of the + Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

The Lord comfort your heart by His Holy Absolution, that your joy may be full!"

Anyway, I'd be very glad to expand on any of the above if it's helpful at all! God's blessings to you!
 
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I have recently left the Catholic church and looking for a home. I am drawn to a non-denominational setting and or baptist, but have not considered Lutheranism that much.

I have studied a lot of church history, and scripture as well, but some things are still not clear for me. I am not a believer in the "once saved always saved" which puts me outside most Baptist groups.

But I recently watched a local Lutheran service on line, and they did a general confession during service, and then the pastor said "I absolve you of your sins". He does not - God does - so it just felt too Catholic for me to be comfortable.

Any thoughts from any converts here, or anyone else really?

I am solidly conservative, and like good community - so those are things I am looking for.
Thank you!
Maybe not "too Catholic", maybe very Christian? We know for Scripture that Jesus Christ has given the authority to impart His forgiveness of sins for those who repent, and retain the sins of those who repent. The Church does this through their Clergy, as called and ordained servants of the word.

In my Congregation, Pastor's practice is to use the right column in LSB which does not contain the Absolution, but uses a "pronouncement of grace", when we use the order of Corporate Confession or for Private Confession, he imparts Holy Absolution.

In our order of private confession, Pastor askes "Do you believe that my forgiveness is God's forgiveness"; the penitent's response would by "Yes".

Don't buy into all the reformed protestant stuff; while most of the reasons for the reformation still exist, there is still much merit to be found in the Catholic Church that does comply with Scripture.
 
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I joined a LCMS church about 4 years ago (have bounced around since pandemic and found a Presbyterian church that got back to “normal” quicker than others), but none of that phrasing ever bothered me. Granted, I think I will cross the Tiber soon. But if God calls me to remain Protestant, I can’t go back to any church other than a LCMS.
 
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I joined a LCMS church about 4 years ago (have bounced around since pandemic and found a Presbyterian church that got back to “normal” quicker than others), but none of that phrasing ever bothered me. Granted, I think I will cross the Tiber soon. But if God calls me to remain Protestant, I can’t go back to any church other than a LCMS.
I joined an LCMS church about 5 years ago. I love it there but have been feeling a pull to return to Catholicism. I think my beliefs align more with Catholics regarding the age of the earth. I and Catholics believe it to be billions of years old whereas the LCMS believe it to be about 6 thousand years old. I and Catholics believe the universe evolved over billions of years, LCMS believe it to have taken 6 24 hour days to create. It’s been a sticking point with me since even before I joined the LCMS.
 
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I was a convert to Lutheranism from the RCC as well. It is a good fit if you like the Catholic liturgy (assuming the Lutheran church you are looking at is more liturgical as they are not all). Theologically Lutheranism would not say the pastor is absolving you of the sins, it is not at all like the RCC in that regard. The liturgy, depending on one used, may have wording similar to that, but it is simply a general corporate absolution. It is not required for one to confess individually to a pastor who absolves the sin like in the RCC. However, some Lutheran churches do offer confession, but again, the absolution is not exactly like in the RCC.

If you are considering different denominations, you should look into their position on the Eucharist and what you believe about it. The understandings are very different between Lutherans, Baptists (which vary themselves), and Non-denominational. The Eucharist is still a central part of the Lutheran liturgy, but not so much in the other options you mentioned.

I found the Lutheran church a great fit after leaving the RCC.
Another thing that kind of bothers me about the LCMS is how, after the Catholic priest transubstantiates the bread and wine it remains Jesus’s body and blood. In the LCMS it ceases to be His Body and Blood when Communion is over. I don’t understand that.
 
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I joined an LCMS church about 5 years ago. I love it there but have been feeling a pull to return to Catholicism. I think my beliefs align more with Catholics regarding the age of the earth. I and Catholics believe it to be billions of years old whereas the LCMS believe it to be about 6 thousand years old. I and Catholics believe the universe evolved over billions of years, LCMS believe it to have taken 6 24 hour days to create. It’s been a sticking point with me since even before I joined the LCMS.

I don’t get held up on issues like that, personally. God created it all and he created the first man (Adam) and first woman (Eve) and we are descended from them.

The things that have drawn me to Catholicism is really reading the fathers. While they aren’t infallible, like Scripture, there seems to be a commonality among them about justification (grace alone, us responding to that grace for good works), the sacraments and the number of them, and having a magisterium.

The 2 things that always hold me up are the papacy and the veneration of Mary, but those are things I’ve really begun to warm up to.
 
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Another thing that kind of bothers me about the LCMS is how, after the Catholic priest transubstantiates the bread and wine it remains Jesus’s body and blood. In the LCMS it ceases to be His Body and Blood when Communion is over. I don’t understand that.
I don't think that it is so much that they stop being the body and blood per se, but rather that the Scriptures, Confessions, and Luther state that the Supper takes place in a Sacramental setting. Some churches consume all of the elements, some dispose in a piscina, some burn them. Some are reserved for people that cannot attend church or are needing home care. A rare few keep them in a tabernacle. The difference is that the RCC makes a point to actually worship the consecrated elements outside of a sacramental setting, the Confessional Lutheran Churches do not make that mistake as scripture is silent on it.
 
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