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When Pope Julius I authorized December 25 to be celebrated as the birthday of Jesus in A.D. 353, who would have ever thought that it would become what it is today.

When Professor Charles Follen lit candles on the first Christmas tree in America in 1832, who would have ever thought that the decorations would become as elaborate as they are today.

It is a long time since 1832, longer still from 353, longer still from that dark night brightened by a special star in which Jesus the king was born. Yet, as we approach December 25 again, it gives us yet another opportunity to pause, and in the midst of all the excitement and elaborate decorations and expensive commercialization which surround Christmas today, to consider again the event of Christmas and the person whose birth we celebrate.

Brian L. Harbour, James W. Cox, The Minister's Manual: 1994, San Fransico: Harper Collins, 1993, p. 254.


 
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No, it is not funny but profound!


The feast of Christmas in the Christian sense, predates 353AD, for we have record of it being celebrated by the Donatists, and they split with the Catholic Church in 312 AD. So it is older. The Pope merely made it official.

The Christian view of The Feast of the Nativity (Christmas is another strange word that comes from English, and like Easter, has no real connection to the Catholic culture....the official name for Christmas is the "Feast of the Nativity" in the Catholic Church).

This feast followed upon Passover (which has always been observed by Christians, again the official latin Catholic word is "Passover" not Easter another dumb word, pagan, coming from our English roots!!).

Passover to this day always occurs in the same week as Jewish passover....the 14th of Nisan.

In 150AD, Victor, Bishop of Rome, in the famous Quarto Deciman controversy, decreed that "Easter" Sunday or the feast of the Resurrection, should be observed on the actual Sunday following Jewish Passover, rather than Passover itself. The Hebrew - Catholic custom from the Apostles themsleves in some regions, had been to observe it on the actual Jewish passover holiday, according the Jewish custom with which the apostles had been familiar. Remember St. Paul when he says "Christ, our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed, therefore let us keep the feast".

Anyhow, the movement of the feast to Sunday, more adequately reflected the Biblical account of the "Lord's Day" and is in hindsight more appropriate than celebrating an "Easter Tuesday" or such....lol....as Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday, regardless of the calendar at the time and the actual date of Passover. According to the Bible, Jesus was actually crucified on the day of Preparation for Passover, which is significant in itself, as that is the day the lambs for the passover sacrificial meal were sacrificed in the Temple.

How this relates to Christmas, is that since Jesus rose from the dead in spring, when the sun was at its vernal equinox (as historially that is when Passover is celebrated).

Christians viewed this as God having nature reflect that the "true light" of the world began that Easter morning. Hence from the Resurrection, light begins to overtake darkness in the amount of daylight surpassing darkness each day!

Since Jesus, lived a perfect life, and is Son of God, his life of 33 years did not contain any fractions. (This was early Christian idea). Hence Jesus had to have been conceived on exactly March 25th.....

He then would have have been born on December 25th. Exactly nine months later!

Also, since Christ came into the world at a time of utter darkness, the feast of his birth, should coincide with the darkest period of the year, when the light just begins to increase amid the pervading darkness!

Quite deep really.....this is also why the ancient feastday for Saint John the Baptist is June 21st!

John said, "He must increase, while I must decrease"....hence "John's" light mirrored in the sun, also begins to decrease after June 21st!

cool, eh?

Matt
 
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Lumen Gentium said:
No, it is not funny but profound!


The feast of Christmas in the Christian sense, predates 353AD, for we have record of it being celebrated by the Donatists, and they split with the Catholic Church in 312 AD. So it is older. The Pope merely made it official.

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia Julius picked the date of Dec 25, supposedly from census records. The actual feast that Jesus was born on is much older than that, in fact approx 1500 years older. He was born on Sukkot or the feasts of booths or tabernacles, as John the apostle tells us, "And the word was made flesh and tabernacled among us".

The Christian view of The Feast of the Nativity (Christmas is another strange word that comes from English, and like Easter, has no real connection to the Catholic culture....the official name for Christmas is the "Feast of the Nativity" in the Catholic Church).
It doesn't? I was always taught that it meant Christs Mass, and the Catholic church is the only church I know of besides Orthodox that has a mass. Some interesting things about Christ mas can be found here http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm

This feast followed upon Passover (which has always been observed by Christians, again the official latin Catholic word is "Passover" not Easter another dumb word, pagan, coming from our English roots!!).

Passover to this day always occurs in the same week as Jewish passover....the 14th of Nisan.

The Passover has never been observed by Christians, in fact if you were caught doing so it meant death in 135CE, also included was celebrating the feast of unleavened bread which exemplified the sinlessness of the Messiah was also forbidden by the church. Passover by the word of G-d is always on the 14th of Nissan, it doesn't matter which day of the week it is.

In 150AD, Victor, Bishop of Rome, in the famous Quarto Deciman controversy, decreed that "Easter" Sunday or the feast of the Resurrection, should be observed on the actual Sunday following Jewish Passover, rather than Passover itself. The Hebrew - Catholic custom from the Apostles themsleves in some regions, had been to observe it on the actual Jewish passover holiday, according the Jewish custom with which the apostles had been familiar. Remember St. Paul when he says "Christ, our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed, therefore let us keep the feast".

They observed it then because it was commanded to be observed when G-d said to. It was not a "Jewish custom" it was obedience to a commandment of G-d, Jesus followed this commandment every year. Yes, Paul said to keep the feast, he never said to change the day.

Anyhow, the movement of the feast to Sunday, more adequately reflected the Biblical account of the "Lord's Day" and is in hindsight more appropriate than celebrating an "Easter Tuesday" or such....lol....as Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday, regardless of the calendar at the time and the actual date of Passover. According to the Bible, Jesus was actually crucified on the day of Preparation for Passover, which is significant in itself, as that is the day the lambs for the passover sacrificial meal were sacrificed in the Temple.

Regardless of the day? or actual date? Instead it is OK to change G-ds appointed times? That is not what the word says.

How this relates to Christmas, is that since Jesus rose from the dead in spring, when the sun was at its vernal equinox (as historially that is when Passover is celebrated).
Not historically, but Biblically, by the law G-d gave in the Torah of when to celebrate his feast of redemption and salvation.

Christians viewed this as God having nature reflect that the "true light" of the world began that Easter morning. Hence from the Resurrection, light begins to overtake darkness in the amount of daylight surpassing darkness each day!

Since Jesus, lived a perfect life, and is Son of God, his life of 33 years did not contain any fractions. (This was early Christian idea). Hence Jesus had to have been conceived on exactly March 25th.....

He then would have have been born on December 25th. Exactly nine months later!

Also, since Christ came into the world at a time of utter darkness, the feast of his birth, should coincide with the darkest period of the year, when the light just begins to increase amid the pervading darkness!

Quite deep really.....this is also why the ancient feastday for Saint John the Baptist is June 21st!

John said, "He must increase, while I must decrease"....hence "John's" light mirrored in the sun, also begins to decrease after June 21st!

cool, eh?

Sounds pretty and nice but it is not Biblical. We know that Jesus was born six months after John and by knowing the courses of Priests in the Temple it can be determined when John was conceived and thus Jesus date of birth can be determined. G-d made specific times of the year and set specific feasts for them in order to teach his plan for the redemption of mankind. By changing it around it is obliterated and all but forgotten.
John was born during Passover, and six months later on the feast of Sukkot or booths or tabernacles, Jesus was born. This is the most happy of all G-ds feasts, it is called the season of our JOY! What more joyous thing could there be than Messiah to be born during this time? It is a commandment that for seven days we are to rejoice before the L-RD in this week. :)

Matt
What was it that the angels told the shepherds? We bring you tidings of GREAT JOY!! Yes it was the season of our Joy! :clap:
 
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Zayit, what are the Apostolic origins of your church?

Do you even acknowledge that Gentiles can be Christians without becoming Jews?

If not your claim to be Biblical is dubious, regardless of the nobility of your point of view or your Judaic heritage, as the First Council of Jerusalem settled that opinion definitively in 50 AD.

What I mean of Passover, is Christian Passover, fulfilled in Christ. It was the Lord's Supper, which occurred prior to Passover as scripture recounts. Therefore it was not literally Passover from the Judaic sense, as there was no lamb at that meal, except Yeshua.

Lambs had to be sacrificed on the appointed day, which was the following day, therefore no passover lamb was at the Lord's Supper, yet we know that it followed the four cups format of the Passover liturgy..

Therefore by Passover, we mean the fulfillment.....Christ's Passover in which he is the Lamb that we commune with, in order to pass from the slavery of sin into the freedom of life....the ultimate Pesha. The ultimate deliverance and Todah.

This is what Paul meant when he said "Christ, our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed, therefore let us keep the feast". Christians living outside Israel (Paul's audience in the epistle) could not celebrate Passover regardless as they lived without access to the Temple, (this explains why there was a million pilgrims to Judea each Passover from around the world....but most people could only go once in their lifetime whether they be Jew or Gentile, so it was clearly a reference to the Christian fulfillment of Passover.

After the Temple's Destruction, there was no Passover period.....so what is the reference to 135CE? Jews today do not celebrate Passover according to the Torah, as there is no Temple....so therefore the Torah cannot be obeyed as far as worship is commanded as the Temple is a requirement of Judaic worship.

Just as Christ fulfilled Passover, and by necessity its meaning and form were changed, for the promise had been fulfilled.....so to with Shabbat.

The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD but not Christ's Temple....His Body the Church.

Shalom Shabbat. Jesus said "Shalom" on the day He Rose from the dead, which was Sunday.

The Lord's Resurrection fulfilled the Judaic covenant of expectation and rememberance.

The original Shabbat, looked to the Creation of the World in Seven Days. God rested on the Seventh Day.

However, with the Redeemer, God is no longer "resting"....He is re-creating the universe, to be consummated in the Resurrection of the Dead and a New Heavens and New Earth.

The Christian Shabbat, is thus transfigured by Christ and moved ahead to the day Jesus Conqured Death.....mankind's greatest enemy. Our "mortal enemy"....hehe....pardon the pun!

In the Early Church it is called "the Eighth Day of Creation" and so it is.

In the Christian Shabbat, we are nolonger looking back to the origins of creation, but ahead to the fulfilment of Creation in Yeshua through the Cosmic event of the Messiach conquering DEATH! A major event.

Hence such a radical change of outlook, also required a change of day to express that change of orientation.....the day is none other than Resurrection Sunday when Jesus rose from the dead "in the garden" as the New Adam.

Peace of the Redeemer!

Matt
 
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