Conservatives, help!

[TimMorgan]

So the problem is that you are preventing something that could be a human from becoming a human. By that logic isn't using a condom doing that as well?

 

[CADude12]

And, by extension, so is celibacy, I suppose?

 

[TimMorgan]

precisely my point, how is this any different

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Condoms, most birth control pills and celibacy/abstinence are meant to prevent pregnancy.

An abortion does just what it says it does...it aborts...which means the pregnancy is already in progress.

THAT is your difference.

 

[pgp_protector]

Dead stuff doesn't grow.

Funny, I've grown lots of crystals.

 

[Sketcher]

So the problem is that you are preventing something that could be a human from becoming a human. By that logic isn't using a condom doing that as well?

No, an unborn human is still human. It's not as if you were not human at one point and became human at another point. You always were human, from the time of your conception.

Funny, I've grown lots of crystals.

Dead organisms don't grow.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Oddly enough, by some standards, if Mary had gotten rid of Jesus before his quickening, she'd not be guilty of killing our savior...

 

[CADude12]

Condoms, most birth control pills and celibacy/abstinence are meant to prevent pregnancy.

An abortion does just what it says it does...it aborts...which means the pregnancy is already in progress.

THAT is your difference.

I was hoping that celibacy would make it obvious. Neither celibacy, or condoms, destroy life. There are some Christians who look at contraception as an evil - I don't happen to share that point of view.

But, that's not to disrespect their beliefs, I just don't happen to share it.

Just as I don't share the beliefs of an atheist about God, salvation, heaven.

The willful destruction of an embryo is an attempt to stop it from becoming what it would naturally be - a human being. That is what abortion is. It's not condoms, it's not celibacy... it is murder.

16 year old rape victims? There are options... there are plenty of people who cannot have children, and would love to adopt. More often, abortion is just a way of disposing of an "inconvenience". The law gives cover to that, but it does not to many other "inconveniences"; why is that?

 

[sealacamp]

Funny, I've grown lots of crystals.

You have watched them become extended by means of crystallization a process of chemical precipitation. They are not alive.

The willful destruction of an embryo is an attempt to stop it from becoming what it would naturally be - a human being.

Actually once that life is begun it is a human being then and there no matter what name may be applied to "it". That "it" is a human being until God changes "it" to something else. People are the ones that created delineations and divisions, not God.

No, an unborn human is still human. It's not as if you were not human at one point and became human at another point. You always were human, from the time of your conception.

Exactly!!!

Sealacamp

 

[pgp_protector]

You have watched them become extended by means of crystallization a process of chemical precipitation. They are not alive.

I never said alive, I sad I've grown lots of crystals.

Dead organisms don't grow.

Funny, I've grown lots of crystals.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

To say something died, doesn't that mean it had to be alive to begin with?

 

[Memento Mori]

Fetus is a such a convenient alternative to baby...

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The difference between a fetus and a baby is whether it's wanted.

In ALL of my pregnancies, I never once referred to the child growing in my womb as a fetus. One doctor did, and I never went back to that doctor. All the rest of them called it a baby. "Do you want to hear the baby's heartbeat?" "Your baby just kicked me!". Not even at my very first ultrasound, at 8 weeks, did the doctor use the term fetus.

It may be the medical term, but the majority of laypeople using it aren't using it as a medical term. It's a sanitized word. Just like women who have miscarriages don't walk around saying "I spontaneously aborted my baby".

 

[AlabamaStreetPreacher]

The difference between a fetus and a baby is whether it's wanted.

In ALL of my pregnancies, I never once referred to the child growing in my womb as a fetus. One doctor did, and I never went back to that doctor. All the rest of them called it a baby. "Do you want to hear the baby's heartbeat?" "Your baby just kicked me!". Not even at my very first ultrasound, at 8 weeks, did the doctor use the term fetus.

It may be the medical term, but the majority of laypeople using it aren't using it as a medical term. It's a sanitized word. Just like women who have miscarriages don't walk around saying "I spontaneously aborted my baby".

If I could stand and applaud, I would.

Fetus is a medical term used to sanitize the reality a baby brings.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Which soul is more important?

Excellent point, Seajoy.

 

[AlabamaStreetPreacher]

Which soul is more important?

 

[Lokke]

God will not bless people that kill babys.

 

[flaglady]

MOD HAT ON

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN CLEANED
OF PROBLEM POSTS AND
ALSO THOSE POSTS OF MEMBERS
THAT RESPONDED TO THEM

MOD HAT OFF
​