Conservatives Disenfranchised?

[katholikos]

Well, I'm new here, But I don't think anyone said you are not Christians, and of course God loves you. But, overwhelmingly, Liberals adhere to unGodly ideas, such as the legality of abortion and same-sex marriage. Those ideas are incompatible with Christianity - especially abortion, which is a holocaust far beyond Hitlerian proportions.

So, I would not say you are not a Christian, but I would say that Liberals are seriously misguided and have been infected with the political correctness of this culture of death.

And, regarding Catholics, such people would be in a continuing state of mortal sin

 

[katholikos]

Well, I'm new here, But I don't think anyone said you are not Christians, and of course God loves you. But, overwhelmingly, Liberals adhere to unGodly ideas, such as the legality of abortion and same-sex marriage. Those ideas are incompatible with Christianity - especially abortion, which is a holocaust far beyond Hitlerian proportions.

So, I would not say you are not a Christian, but I would say that Liberals are seriously misguided and have been infected with the political correctness of this culture of death.

And, regarding Catholics, such people would be in a continuing state of mortal sin

Speaking of that, I stumbled on this disgusting thread:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7271755&page=45

I can't believe how people are justifying their homosexual activity over there. What is happening to people these days?

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Speaking of that, I stumbled on this disgusting thread:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7271755&page=45

I can't believe how people are justifying their homosexual activity over there. What is happening to people these days?

Satan is the prince of this world. People put their fleshly gratification ahead of the word of God, and nothing we can say will open their eyes or their hearts. They need to be fundamentally and deeply convicted by the Lord.

For some reason sex is the only sin that's not only allowed, but advocated. As if sex is a right as opposed to a gift from God. We know people will drift further and further away from Him as we near His coming back. I honestly think all we can do is pray for them... just as we need to pray for one another.

 

[katholikos]

Hey, I had them freaking out for a while. I was like a big turd that fell in their punchbowl. LOL. But I couldn't take the outlandish things they were saying any longer. I bowed out.
How very, very sad.

 

[katholikos]

Just to get back to the earlier conversation: I can see what you guys are talking about now. An atheist is being allowed to say rude things to me about Christianity in another thread, and I got in trouble for making a rather pointed statement about democrats and abortion. So I am now feeling you guys' pain.

 

[A New Dawn]

Another thing that happens is that the liberal Christians like to come here and read things and take them out of context, as Rochir did up above (post 121) and then they go to a private thread on another board (now it's at TalkRat) and talk about us. Just so you know. It's not a problem that CF can fix, but some of the senior staff participate in that thread, and don't care that they talk about us in that fashion.

 

[katholikos]

Its ironic: In a strange sort of way, this site sort of parallels problems in my Church. Catholicism represents almost 1/6 of the human race, and with that many people, we have tons of goofballs in our ranks who don't even adhere to the Church's teachings. It seems the same here at CF: There are So MANY subforums here, and it is so much bigger than other such sites, that all kinds of wierdos and anti-traditional-Christianity types have swelled the membership now.

Boy, I can really relate.

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[Nadiine]

Speaking of that, I stumbled on this disgusting thread:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7271755&page=45

I can't believe how people are justifying their homosexual activity over there. What is happening to people these days?

I know a few people who got so sick of the immoral statements coming from people displaying Christian icons that they finally left CF.

This has been all over the forums everywhere; youth are actually told that getting married isn't important & that you can live together with a boyfriend/girlfriend if you're committed thru "Love".
The lists go on with the sin being promoted here.

Satan is the prince of this world. People put their fleshly gratification ahead of the word of God, and nothing we can say will open their eyes or their hearts. They need to be fundamentally and deeply convicted by the Lord.

For some reason sex is the only sin that's not only allowed, but advocated. As if sex is a right as opposed to a gift from God. We know people will drift further and further away from Him as we near His coming back. I honestly think all we can do is pray for them... just as we need to pray for one another.

Yes, only conviction by God can change this - and unfortunately, what I think we're seeing is Mat. 7:21-23 being lived out, as well as the end time sign of people falling away from the faith right before His return.

I pray some of them can still be reached with God's truth.
Still, it's partially our resonsibility as Christians to witness that truth openly and firmly (in love) to remind them that God's word means what it says and is very clear on sin & morality (what God calls us to do and be like).

"Be ye holy" - obviously people have opposing views on what "holy" means anymore. A sign of the times.

 

[A New Dawn]

Yes, only conviction by God can change this - and unfortunately, what I think we're seeing is Mat. 7:21-23 being lived out, as well as the end time sign of people falling away from the faith right before His return.

I pray some of them can still be reached with God's truth.
Still, it's partially our resonsibility as Christians to witness that truth openly and firmly (in love) to remind them that God's word means what it says and is very clear on sin & morality (what God calls us to do and be like).

"Be ye holy" - obviously people have opposing views on what "holy" means anymore. A sign of the times.

Actually, I think that many have not just redefined some key words in the Bible, they have literally ripped some pages out, because there's just no way someone can say that the Bible isn't clear on some subjects.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

This has been all over the forums everywhere; youth are actually told that getting married isn't important & that you can live together with a boyfriend/girlfriend if you're committed thru "Love".
The lists go on with the sin being promoted here.

Hullo, sissy

The bit I bolded... is that true? Cos, that directly contravenes God's word, and to people we, as a body, are spiritually responsible for. Grown adults who say homosexual acts are fine... they're adults. It's their choice to deny the Lord's law. But when *kids* are being taught that sin is ok - that's a completely different thing. We're directly taught NOT to lead astray the little ones. If that's really hapening, I think that's the worst thing yet, because it means people are actively messing with the next generation of Christians when they may be too young to know they're being led astray. Bit angry. Bit angry.

Yes, only conviction by God can change this - and unfortunately, what I think we're seeing is Mat. 7:21-23 being lived out, as well as the end time sign of people falling away from the faith right before His return.

I pray some of them can still be reached with God's truth.
Still, it's partially our resonsibility as Christians to witness that truth openly and firmly (in love) to remind them that God's word means what it says and is very clear on sin & morality (what God calls us to do and be like).

"Be ye holy" - obviously people have opposing views on what "holy" means anymore. A sign of the times.

Oh, I agree. But we can't do that here. Infractions and warnings abound if you witness the truth I honestly don't think anyone who has met Jesus and loves Jesus would speak in anything other than love. But the world's idea of love, and CF's idea of love, aren't the same interpretation of love as the Bible So the truth is hog-tied to an extent. Speaking His truth is never mean. Never, ever. But that's how it's perceived because it doesn't kowtow and compromise.

Maranatha

 

[Nadiine]

Its ironic: In a strange sort of way, this site sort of parallels problems in my Church. Catholicism represents almost 1/6 of the human race, and with that many people, we have tons of goofballs in our ranks who don't even adhere to the Church's teachings. It seems the same here at CF: There are So MANY subforums here, and it is so much bigger than other such sites, that all kinds of wierdos and anti-traditional-Christianity types have swelled the membership now.

Boy, I can really relate.

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I'll share my opinion Katholikos and anyone can disagree with me as they like - but I personally believe this.

I think alot of nonChristians had come here purposefully to work against Christianity. And they do that more effectively by using Christian icons so they have access to our areas to oppose Christians & Christianity.

We're told that Satan appears as an angel of light to do his work - this is just one means it can be done in these forum venues.
It just so happens that the rules provide protection to people with these icons & we can't challenge anyone's spiritual condition if they hold one no matter what they teach.

All I can say is alot of this is against what my bible teaches in many areas - including the fact that it states that it's God's holy word to man and is truth (which many here reject scripture also).

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I think alot of nonChristians had come here purposefully to work against Christianity. And they do that more effectively by using Christian icons so they have access to our areas to oppose Christians & Christianity.

Oh, absolutely. It's the easiest way to undermine the faith. But. God's word never returns void. Even if they come here to cause problems, they'll be exposed to God here, and He is sovereign

If they can come here to cause trouble, but still see in amidst all of the ugliness that God is *their* Father, too, and that He loves them wholly, and that Christians love them, we don't know what affect that can have on their hearts. Online communities are transient, so we may never know how many people God has touched while they came here that one time to cause problems... but He's more powerful than their dislike of Christians, and He's more powerful than anything and anyone that brought them here

 

[MrJim]

It's definitely a sport for many...we're fun playthings for them.

 

[Nadiine]

Hullo, sissy

The bit I bolded... is that true? Cos, that directly contravenes God's word, and to people we, as a body, are spiritually responsible for. Grown adults who say homosexual acts are fine... they're adults. It's their choice to deny the Lord's law. But when *kids* are being taught that sin is ok - that's a completely different thing. We're directly taught NOT to lead astray the little ones. If that's really hapening, I think that's the worst thing yet, because it means people are actively messing with the next generation of Christians when they may be too young to know they're being led astray. Bit angry. Bit angry.

Yes it's true. I was sent a link to a thread on that a few wks ago (it's been in other threads too in the past & many have said the same thing - that they didn't see any commands for a piece of paper/marriage certificate, and that since sex is what God views as the 'covenant/promise' to one another, it's the sex act that makes 2 people married - therefore there's no need to go get married legally).
Yes.
& I also saw a thread where 2 people (one a mod) claimed that you don't have to continue repenting after you're saved. That it's a one time dealy.
I have a witness to that thread too - he's still online and he was in that thread w/ me giving scripture that refuted them. These are people w/ Christian icons telling people you don't have to repent but one time at salvation

Oh, I agree. But we can't do that here. Infractions and warnings abound if you witness the truth I honestly don't think anyone who has met Jesus and loves Jesus would speak in anything other than love. But the world's idea of love, and CF's idea of love, aren't the same interpretation of love as the Bible So the truth is hog-tied to an extent. Speaking His truth is never mean. Never, ever. But that's how it's perceived because it doesn't kowtow and compromise.

Yes I've seen a few people get warnings for quoting scripture to refute false teachings. They were seen as flaming becuz the verse had a judgment in it even tho the verse refuted the person posting what they did.
It's unbelievable. I know a few who also left CF becuz they quoted the Bible & it was called considered flaming.
In fact, the same thing could have happened to me when the verse I had given directly refuted their statement, but in addition to the refute, it gave a harsh rebuke & I had to actually erase part of the verse out so I wouldn't get a warning!!

It's really amazing that this is happening on a CHRISTIAN site. Quote scripture & get an infraction.

WOW

 

[Nadiine]

It's definitely a sport for many...we're fun playthings for them.

What bothers me is that from outsiders looking in at us, it appears as if Christians cannot agree on ONE doctrine together and fight to the bitter end - that there's NO unity in Christianity & they're utterly confused.

The actual truth is, we aren't confused and aren't fighting - we're fighting people who claim to know God but their beliefs are against what the Bible teaches and they don't even accept the Bible as God's truth to mankind.

The problem is that CF in this respect is in a tough position - I agree we shouldn't be tossing around assaults like: "you aren't a Christian" "you're a wolf".... but at the same time, it creates a protection to wolves & false teachers with agendas so that it causes the problems we have to face here.

I don't know the full answer on how to fix it all - but I do know that alot of conservatives left becuz this site stopped being as Christian as it used to be and should be.

 

[desmalia]

What bothers me is that from outsiders looking in at us, it appears as if Christians cannot agree on ONE doctrine together and fight to the bitter end - that there's NO unity in Christianity & they're utterly confused.

The actual truth is, we aren't confused and aren't fighting - we're fighting people who claim to know God but their beliefs are against what the Bible teaches and they don't even accept the Bible as God's truth to mankind.

The problem is that CF in this respect is in a tough position - I agree we shouldn't be tossing around assaults like: "you aren't a Christian" "you're a wolf".... but at the same time, it creates a protection to wolves & false teachers with agendas so that it causes the problems we have to face here.

I don't know the full answer on how to fix it all - but I do know that alot of conservatives left becuz this site stopped being as Christian as it used to be and should be.

And much of this problem overwhelmed CF when the foundation was removed. It has yet to be reinstated (and maybe it never will, I don't know). If the site's supposed definition of Christian is anyone who "pays some respect to someone called Jesus" and gives a slight nod to the Nicene Creed, and that's it, you're going to have all kinds of problems. If it's a Christian site, it should be a Christian site. That means it is divisive to a degree because Christianity is exclusive, not inclusive. What's interesting though, is how much more active this site was back when it did draw some of those lines. There were still many problems, yes. But at least people know what the site was about. Now the word Christian in the title means basically nothing.

What I'm reading from the liberal standpoint is that they want a community to participate in and the right to free speech. That is their main focus. Who Christ actually is has no importance when it relates to an online forum, regardless of what it's called.

It's interesting because I keep getting accused of wanting all non-Christians to leave, when I've never said that once. I don't want them to leave. What I want is for people who don't know Christ to stop wearing the Christian icon so we can have some honest conversation for a change. I get the sense that maybe a lot of them wear the icon as a means to practice that free speech they're fighting for. That really gets us nowhere, IMHO.

 

[Nadiine]

And much of this problem overwhelmed CF when the foundation was removed. It has yet to be reinstated (and maybe it never will, I don't know). If the site's supposed definition of Christian is anyone who "pays some respect to someone called Jesus" and gives a slight nod to the Nicene Creed, and that's it, you're going to have all kinds of problems. If it's a Christian site, it should be a Christian site. That means it is divisive to a degree because Christianity is exclusive, not inclusive. What's interesting though, is how much more active this site was back when it did draw some of those lines. There were still many problems, yes. But at least people know what the site was about. Now the word Christian in the title means basically nothing.

What I'm reading from the liberal standpoint is that they want a community to participate in and the right to free speech. That is their main focus. Who Christ actually is has no importance when it relates to an online forum, regardless of what it's called.

It's interesting because I keep getting accused of wanting all non-Christians to leave, when I've never said that once. I don't want them to leave. What I want is for people who don't know Christ to stop wearing the Christian icon so we can have some honest conversation for a change. I get the sense that maybe a lot of them wear the icon as a means to practice that free speech they're fighting for. That really gets us nowhere, IMHO.

Exactly how I feel.
I think I lost count of how many times I've pointed to CF's definition of Christianity as the foundation for many problems here - altho in all fairness, the other factor working against even a good SOF, is the fact that nonChristians and enemies of the Cross ignorantly or purposely take Christian icons and unless they violate the SOF directly, we can't say anything about their 'condition', it's flaming.

So even IF we can spot someone working against Christians/Christianity, you still can't say anything unless they violate an SOF which they know how to get around easily.

So it has to be more detailed which CF never wants to do. We had that war in the conservative forum last yr. when we tried to draw up a definition here to submit to Erwin. (causing all that division).
What a mess.

Alot of us have spent alot of time and effort to fix & change things and honestly, I'm about done trying. It usually goes nowhere and you just gain more enemies in the process.
If the owner can't & won't fix it, then so be it. Chalk it up to another disaster due to failure to stand firmly in God's word & impliment what we do know to do.

All I know is, trying to be ecumenical & Unite the 2 groups hasn't worked and cannot work according to scripture (without spiritual compromise).
That's how I kind of view this anymore.
It has to be a desire of the owner and frankly, I don't see him as too adamant in fixing this too radically. (I hope I"m wrong)

 

[A New Dawn]

And much of this problem overwhelmed CF when the foundation was removed. It has yet to be reinstated (and maybe it never will, I don't know). If the site's supposed definition of Christian is anyone who "pays some respect to someone called Jesus" and gives a slight nod to the Nicene Creed, and that's it, you're going to have all kinds of problems. If it's a Christian site, it should be a Christian site. That means it is divisive to a degree because Christianity is exclusive, not inclusive. What's interesting though, is how much more active this site was back when it did draw some of those lines. There were still many problems, yes. But at least people know what the site was about. Now the word Christian in the title means basically nothing.

What I'm reading from the liberal standpoint is that they want a community to participate in and the right to free speech. That is their main focus. Who Christ actually is has no importance when it relates to an online forum, regardless of what it's called.

It's interesting because I keep getting accused of wanting all non-Christians to leave, when I've never said that once. I don't want them to leave. What I want is for people who don't know Christ to stop wearing the Christian icon so we can have some honest conversation for a change. I get the sense that maybe a lot of them wear the icon as a means to practice that free speech they're fighting for. That really gets us nowhere, IMHO.

Excellent post, Des. I'm sure we have all been accused of the same thing you have been when we've said no such thing. And I agree, especially, with the portion I bolded. It seems they want it both ways so that they can attract the most people with the minimal amount of offense, but it backfires in both directions and everyone leaves. Oh, well, they either don't care or will learn that straddling the fence is non-productive.

 

[katholikos]

..I know I'm not welcome in this thread...

How come?

(I never pay attention.)

.

 

[Nadiine]

How come?

(I never pay attention.)

.

The congregational/faith areas are basically safe havens for people of that denom. or group. So people from other denominations or groups aren't allowed to come into your area and argue against your group or group's beliefs. They're one of the few or only "off limits" areas on CF where people are protected and encouraged to fellowship with their own groups.

This area has a debate subforum if people want to debate conservatives - some denoms. have their own debate areas too if people want to challenge something
=)
hope that explains it a little?