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Conservative with a small "c"

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Even still, the principle still applies. It's like when someone says, "I am catholic with a small "c".

That makes even less sense.

Catholic means universal (Big C catholicism making no sense in this manner either).

Conservative minded independents exist in droves though, why do you want to steal distinctions that only really make sense in places like England and Canada?
 
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Nope. Just negating your comment.

:wave:

Well that was horribly pointless.

It would only make sense to call yourself a small c conservative if the Conservative Party of Connecticut mattered nationally in American national politics.

But, of course it doesn't.....
 
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Well that was horribly pointless.

It would only make sense to call yourself a small c conservative if the Conservative Party of Connecticut mattered nationally in American national politics.

But, of course it doesn't.....

I think it was your comment that was pointless. Why would you think that state goverments and politics are unimportant?

I didn't provide the link to bash anyone, but just to correct you. There are, in fact, Conservatives parties in America
 
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If not for the Crusades, the West would be under Islamic domination today.
If Christianity is worth anything, that simply wouldn't matter.
Yoder777 said:
How was Carter better than Reagan? 25th December 2010 11:49 PM
I do believe he was a better president, but that's another topic, what I said here was that his presidency is distinguishable from the last four by the policies that were carried out.
 
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I think it was your comment that was pointless. Why would you think that state goverments and politics are unimportant?

I didn't provide the link to bash anyone, but just to correct you. There are, in fact, Conservatives parties in America

Still quite pointless.

The thread is obviously not about not being affiliated with state conservative parties nor would we usually need to capitalized the c in conservative because of them for any reason but to refer to them specifically.
 
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Still quite pointless.

The thread is obviously not about not being affiliated with state conservative parties nor would we usually need to capitalized the c in conservative because of them for any reason but to refer to them specifically.

Nice try.
 
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That makes even less sense.

Catholic means universal (Big C catholicism making no sense in this manner either).

It means that you consider yourself catholic without being Roman Catholic or that you are Roman Catholic without considering the Roman Catholic Church the one and only true church.
 
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Troll all you like my friend, it doesn't matter there is no small c conservatism in the United States.

By your definition perhaps,...and I'm obligated to accept your definition?

It seems you could simply say "I was wrong, there are Conservative parties in America, members of which can be identified as big C Conservatives."


In addition to state Conservative parties, there is

The American Conservative Party
 
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Here are some words of reason:

Broadly speaking, a conservative is someone who wishes to preserve traditional morality along with the principles of the American Revolution. Since its founding, our nation has valued limited government and the transcendent moral law. A thinking person can cherish both without being a right-wing fanatic.

Most opponents of conservatism really oppose neoconservatism. A true conservatism that questions bureaucracy's ability to solve problems cannot be pro-war and pro-corporate, recognizing the bureaucracy inherent to nation-building and the corporate structure. Militant corporatism is not conservatism.

Militant corporatism is fascism:
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power” - Benito Mussolini

A person can value the sanctity of life without hating abortion doctors. A person can uphold the sanctity of marriage without hating gays. A person can want less taxes and less spending without hating welfare moms. What often passes for conservatism today is really just a hateful extremism.

As Eric Hoffer wrote, politics is often just the systematic organization of hatreds:
 
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By your definition perhaps,...and I'm obligated to accept your definition?

It seems you could simply say "I was wrong, there are Conservative parties in America, members of which can be identified as big C Conservatives."
http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=56422335

In addition to state Conservative parties, there is

The American Conservative Party

I am not retracting my statement feel free to disagree with me.

None of these are anything like major parties and there is no reason to distinguish just conservatism from them.
 
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Did you read the article in the OP?

Yes, and I don't see the point. Your an independent that is conservative, good for you.

I actually think that non affiliated self described conservatives are of a broad swath of political opinions on a number of issues and it varies over time so it wouldn't make sense for an article to speak for such a group of people.
 
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My Greek ancestors were tortured, killed and enslaved by the hundreds of thousands for hundreds of years by Muslim Turks. It does matter.
Are you saying that Christianity should be defended, promoted and spread by the sword so that Christian's won't suffer for their faith? That Christians had to slaughter the Muslims Jews and even Christians of Byzantium, Syria, and Palestine so that fewer European Christians would suffer persecution?
If so, then what you are proposing is a very different religion than Christianity, and I do not believe a Christian should entertain such thoughts.
 
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Are you saying that Christianity should be defended, promoted and spread by the sword so that Christian's won't suffer for their faith?

No, I think that Christians have a right to defend themselves against Islamic aggression.

WHAT WERE THE CRUSADES ALL ABOUT?

The popular misconceptions about the crusades are that these were aggressive wars of expansion fought by religious fanatics in order to evict Muslims from their homeland, and force conversions to Christianity. Those who really believe any of that betray their ignorance of history.

A REACTION TO JIHAD
The crusaders were reacting to over four centuries of relentless Islamic Jihad, which had wiped out over 50% of all the Christians in the world and conquered over 60% of all the Christian lands on earth – before the crusades even began. Many of the towns liberated by the crusaders were still over 90% Christian when the crusaders arrived. The Middle East was the birthplace of the Christian Church. It was the Christians who had been conquered and oppressed by the Seljuk Turks. So many of the towns in the Middle East welcomed the crusaders as liberators.

Far from the crusaders being the aggressors, it was the Muslim armies which had spread Islam from Saudi Arabia across the whole of Christian North Africa into Spain and even France within the first century after the death of Muhammad. Muslim armies sacked and slaughtered their way across some of the greatest Christian cities in the world, including Alexandria, Carthage, Antioch and Constantinople. These Muslim invaders destroyed over 3,200 Christian churches just in the first 100 years of Islam.

DEFENSIVE WARS
As Professor Thomas Madden in The Real History of the Crusades points out: “The crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression – an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands. Christians in the 11 th Century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them…Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Muhammad, the means of Muslim expansion was always by the sword…Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth…The Christian world therefore was a prime target for the earliest Caliphs and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years…The crusades…were but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslim had already captured over two thirds of the Christian world.”

THINKING THE UNTHINKABLE
As the London Telegraph points out: “A more realistic view of history requires less retrospective fantasy and more brain work. It means forcing your heads around to see what motivated men and women centuries ago. Try to think the unthinkable – that the Crusaders were right, and that we should be grateful to them.”

CHRISTIAN LOVE AND SELF SACRIFICE
Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith explains that crusading was “an act of love” for one’s neighbour. An act of mercy to right a terrible wrong. As one church leader wrote to the Knights Templar: “You carry out in deeds the words of the Gospel, ‘greater love than this hath no man, than that he lay down his life for his friends’.”

Professor Riley-Smith points out that the goals of the crusades were firstly to rescue the Christians of the East: Many thousands of Christians are bound in slavery and imprisoned by the Muslims and tortured with innumerable torments.” And secondly the liberation of Jerusalem and other places made holy by the life of Christ. The Medieval crusaders saw themselves as pilgrims, restoring to the Lord Jesus Christ His property. “The Crusader’s conquest of Jerusalem, therefore, was not colonialism, but an act of restoration and an open declaration of one’s love of God…It is often assumed that the central goal of the crusades was forced conversion of the Muslim world. Nothing could be further from the truth. From the perspective of Medieval Christians, Muslims were the enemies of Christ and His Church. It was the Crusaders’ task to defeat and defend against them. That was all. Muslims who lived in crusader won territories were generally allowed to retain their property and livelihood and always their religion.”

AGAINST ALL ODDS
When we think about the Middle Ages, we inevitably view Europe in the light of what it became rather than what it was. The fact is that the superpower of the Medieval world was Islam, not Christendom. The crusades were a battle against all odds with impossibly long lines of supply and cripplingly inadequate logistics. It was a David against Goliath enterprise from the beginning. The chances of success for the first crusade were highly improbable. They had no leader, no chain of command, no supply lines and no detailed strategy. The first crusade consisted simply of thousands of dedicated warriors marching deep into enemy territory, thousands of kilometres from home. Many of them died of starvation, disease and wounds. It was a rough campaign that always was on the brink of disaster.

“Yet it was miraculously successful. By 1098, the Crusaders had liberated Nicea and Antioch to Christian rule. And in July 1099 they re-conquered Jerusalem and began to build a Christian state in Palestine.”

A JUDGEMENT OF GOD
When Jerusalem fell to Saladin in 1187, Christians across Europe perceived that God was punishing them for their sins. Numerous lay movements sprang up throughout Europe dedicated to purifying Christian society so that it may become worthy of victory in the East.

Professor Madden of St. Lewis University and the author of A Concise History of the Crusades has observed: “From the safe distance of many centuries, it is easy enough to scowl in disgust at the crusades. Religion, after all, is nothing to fight wars over. But we should be mindful that our Medieval ancestors would have been equally disgusted by our infinitely more destructive wars fought in the names of political ideologies…Whether we admire the Crusaders or not, it is a fact that the world we know today would not exist without their efforts. The ancient faith of Christianity, with its respect for women and antipathy toward slavery, not only survived but flourished. Without the crusades, it might have followed Zoroastrianism, another of Islam’s rivals, into extinction.” But for the crusades Europe would have probably fallen to Islam and the USA would never have come into existence.
What were the Crusades all About
 
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It means that you consider yourself catholic without being Roman Catholic or that you are Roman Catholic without considering the Roman Catholic Church the one and only true church.

And you don't see why calling yourself "universal" while distinguishing yourself from that other church that also names itself universal makes little to no sense?
 
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