Conservative Christians

[MrJim]

Actually, Paleoconservatives would be more like Pat Buchanan and Neoconservatives would be more like John McCain or George W. Bush.

I listen closely when Pat talks, one of the few that makes sense out there...and I understand he's a good Catholic too

 

[Faith.Man]

I listen closely when Pat talks, one of the few that makes sense out there...and I understand he's a good Catholic too

I've taken a passing interest in CPAC and with the exception of Ron Paul, I haven't been impressed. I'm looking forward to hearing Herman Cain for the first time. I've read that he's a very impressive speaker. He's actually run a business so that makes him more qualified than our current resident, er I mean President.

 

[General Mung Beans]

The worse things get the more sense it makes to avoid the politics altogether~I've been hosed by too many "true" politicians to believe anything they say...I think we are past the point of no return. The divide is great and sharp within this nation; we are closer to much violence than much peace at this point.

We Christians should be more effective as the Body than as partisans...but that is how it will eventually crumble. Sad, actually American Christians are more united by being Americans than be Christians.

The US was divided at times before far worse than now: the Civil War (obviously) and even in the 1930s when there were proto-fascist rabble-rousers roaming the land such as Huey Long.

 

[MrJim]

The US was divided at times before far worse than now: the Civil War (obviously) and even in the 1930s when there were proto-fascist rabble-rousers roaming the land such as Huey Long.

..interesting you would cite the Civil War; another may not be far off.

 

[supersoldier71]

My feelings are that a Christian should be theologically conservative; it concerns me greatly when more liberal thinking so-called Christians attempt to make the Gospel more man-centered, more "comfortable" and "inclusive". Their actions lead to shallow, preaching and so-call believers with no belief.

By extension, I cannot in good conscience be Pro-Choice, which to me is the same as saying Pro-Murder. I cannot see how a follower in Christ could find the concept anything less than morally bankrupt.

Homosexual marriage: since I take literal view of the Gospel, when it calls homosexual activities an abomination before the Lord, I'm against...however, I really don't care what practicing homosexuals do. It offends me that some would try to compare homosexuality to other sins and point out that we are all sinners saved by Grace. That is true, but there are very few other sins that anyone has tried to canonize in a similar fashion. The issue conflicts my political views in that public schools in areas where same-gender marriage is legal, frequently teach that "Billy Having Two Daddies" is okay. That is, most certainly NOT okay, with me.

But I am a stranger and a pilgrim, and the customs and laws of this place are NOT those of my home.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

The worse things get the more sense it makes to avoid the politics altogether~I've been hosed by too many "true" politicians to believe anything they say...I think we are past the point of no return. The divide is great and sharp within this nation; we are closer to much violence than much peace at this point.

We Christians should be more effective as the Body than as partisans...but that is how it will eventually crumble. Sad, actually American Christians are more united by being Americans than be Christians.

I have no problem with Christians talking politics in places like this forum. But I don't want to hear any politics from the pulpit. It simply is too divisive. I couldn't even begin to predict how other members of my congregation would vote, except for some of the ones I know well personally. We are a diverse bunch, ethnically, demographically and probably politically too.

 

[WannaWitness]

I have no problem with Christians talking politics in places like this forum. But I don't want to hear any politics from the pulpit. It simply is too divisive. I couldn't even begin to predict how other members of my congregation would vote, except for some of the ones I know well personally. We are a diverse bunch, ethnically, demographically and probably politically too.

That is exactly my sentiments. We as Christians are not going to think alike on some things, whether it's Bible versions, political affiliation (or lack of one), music styles that are "Godly", ways to dress appropriately and modestly, views on how the world was created and how the world as we know it will end, eating meat.... and what an endless list it is! I have seen (and sadly have found myself involved in) a sort of "oneupmanship" (as opposed to orderly debate) between Christians regarding all of these issues, with some people implying that they're somehow more superior (holier, smarter, or what-have-you) than those whose opinions differ in the slightest. It is all too easy to concentrate too hard on these things, but that's the humanness in us.

What we should be doing (myself included) is to start putting our differences aside (politics and otherwise), and focusing on the common bond on which we do agree, and that's our faith in Jesus Christ. After all, we have an eternity to be stuck with one another. And that's a long time.........

 

[MrJim]

I have no problem with Christians talking politics in places like this forum. But I don't want to hear any politics from the pulpit. It simply is too divisive. I couldn't even begin to predict how other members of my congregation would vote, except for some of the ones I know well personally. We are a diverse bunch, ethnically, demographically and probably politically too.

Izzy~you still hangin' around this joint?

 

[MrJim]

That is exactly my sentiments. We as Christians are not going to think alike on some things, whether it's Bible versions, political affiliation (or lack of one), music styles that are "Godly", ways to dress appropriately and modestly, views on how the world was created and how the world as we know it will end, eating meat.... and what an endless list it is! I have seen (and sadly have found myself involved in) a sort of "oneupmanship" (as opposed to orderly debate) between Christians regarding all of these issues, with some people implying that they're somehow more superior (holier, smarter, or what-have-you) than those whose opinions differ in the slightest. It is all too easy to concentrate too hard on these things, but that's the humanness in us.

What we should be doing (myself included) is to start putting our differences aside (politics and otherwise), and focusing on the common bond on which we do agree, and that's our faith in Jesus Christ. After all, we have an eternity to be stuck with one another. And that's a long time.........

How common is that bond though if I say abortion is wrong and another says it is fine? Or if I say homosexuals shouldn't be married and another says it is fine? Or if I say our government shouldn't be sending billions of dollars of foreign aid to Israel and another says it is fine...just to put a point on it our "common" bond of faith is very narrow in reality--we tend to "tolerate" others if we share some common interests, beliefs, or goals but that's about it for those outside our circle...maybe we can get away with the "common" bond if we talk just Scripture or God...oh wait, these forums demonstrate that doesn't even really work out well

 

[General Mung Beans]

Some political wisdom: offtopic:roguebeaver [Alternate History Wiki]

 

[Faith.Man]

I remember a line from an old Jethro Tull song that goes something like this: "my God is not the kind of god you have to wind-up on Sundays". Meaning, God should be part of our everyday lives. Our belief should affect everything we do, seven days a week, 24 hours a day. It should even affect our politics, our life view. We should not compromise on the truth of God's word just to fit in. Our belief should be in the God of the bible, not a god of our own design. That would be idolatry.

 

[WannaWitness]

How common is that bond though if I say abortion is wrong and another says it is fine? Or if I say homosexuals shouldn't be married and another says it is fine? Or if I say our government shouldn't be sending billions of dollars of foreign aid to Israel and another says it is fine...just to put a point on it our "common" bond of faith is very narrow in reality--we tend to "tolerate" others if we share some common interests, beliefs, or goals but that's about it for those outside our circle...maybe we can get away with the "common" bond if we talk just Scripture or God...oh wait, these forums demonstrate that doesn't even really work out well

Just because one might vote for another party other than Republican doesn't mean that person condones homosexuality, abortion, and other types of immorality. I have tried to point out that both parties are immoral in some way or another, while having their share of good qualities, as well, which makes me moderate. This means I try to have an open mind and see where both sides are coming from. I just don't like this implication that there is only one "moral" (and therefore "Christian") party. Do we honestly think we will only see Republicans in Heaven? How do we know what someone else's personal life is? Part of being open-minded is being able to recognize that there are other factors as to why one might vote the way they do. Believe it or not, there are many Democrats, nonpartisans, and those affiliated with third parties who are Christians and believe strongly in morality (knowing that God even gives people a choice between right and wrong). Try as you might to talk of morality, I also realize that you can't bop people over the head and make them listen. And there are also Republicans who are not even Christians, and don't have the slightest regard for morals. I think a Christian can care about morals and be affiliated with any party. This doesn't make me "lukewarm". It just means I have a different perspective. I disagree with smoking, but if a Christian brother or sister happens to reveal to me that they smoke, I am not going to condemn them, think any differently of them, or write them off as no better than a "heathen". It just means their convictions are different. So it is with how a fellow Christian may vote. Sharing a common bond means respecting a fellow believer even though you may not agree with every view. As you said earlier, one man's conservative is another's liberal. That's the dilemma I face. I have been bold enough to speak against homosexuality and have been considered no different than a "racist" by extremists on the left who believe it is not a lifestyle. And then there are those on the far right who think I am no different than a "socialist" because I don't think there's anything wrong with the creation of programs (within reason, of course) to help our nation's unfortunates get on their feet. As a result, I am smack in the middle (not that there's anything wrong with that). If it's all about politics, then maybe I don't really belong on the Conservative Christian Forums. But I also feel that being theologically conservative should count for something.

 

[jsmilam1]

When it comes to the word of God let all things be done with prayer and supplication. We as Christians must discern the people we are looking to elect. There is no such thing as a perfect leader but one that is the better one. Obviously, if this man upholds a lot of views that is contrary to sound doctrine the word tells us not to follow after such men. Word of thought.

 

[MrJim]

Just because one might vote for another party other than Republican doesn't mean that person condones homosexuality, abortion, and other types of immorality. I have tried to point out that both parties are immoral in some way or another, while having their share of good qualities, as well, which makes me moderate. This means I try to have an open mind and see where both sides are coming from. I just don't like this implication that there is only one "moral" (and therefore "Christian") party. Do we honestly think we will only see Republicans in Heaven? How do we know what someone else's personal life is? Part of being open-minded is being able to recognize that there are other factors as to why one might vote the way they do. Believe it or not, there are many Democrats, nonpartisans, and those affiliated with third parties who are Christians and believe strongly in morality (knowing that God even gives people a choice between right and wrong). Try as you might to talk of morality, I also realize that you can't bop people over the head and make them listen. And there are also Republicans who are not even Christians, and don't have the slightest regard for morals. I think a Christian can care about morals and be affiliated with any party. This doesn't make me "lukewarm". It just means I have a different perspective. I disagree with smoking, but if a Christian brother or sister happens to reveal to me that they smoke, I am not going to condemn them, think any differently of them, or write them off as no better than a "heathen". It just means their convictions are different. So it is with how a fellow Christian may vote. Sharing a common bond means respecting a fellow believer even though you may not agree with every view. As you said earlier, one man's conservative is another's liberal. That's the dilemma I face. I have been bold enough to speak against homosexuality and have been considered no different than a "racist" by extremists on the left who believe it is not a lifestyle. And then there are those on the far right who think I am no different than a "socialist" because I don't think there's anything wrong with the creation of programs (within reason, of course) to help our nation's unfortunates get on their feet. As a result, I am smack in the middle (not that there's anything wrong with that). If it's all about politics, then maybe I don't really belong on the Conservative Christian Forums. But I also feel that being theologically conservative should count for something.

...fair enough~~but I don't think it will play in Peoria

 

[WannaWitness]

...fair enough~~but I don't think it will play in Peoria

Probably not, but perhaps that's not such a bad thing; merely sets me apart from the crowd.

Just call me the red delicious in a basket of Granny Smiths!

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Izzy~you still hangin' around this joint?

Not very much. but yeah, I look in from time to time.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

(accidental duplicate post)

 

[shannan79]

Just because one might vote for another party other than Republican doesn't mean that person condones homosexuality, abortion, and other types of immorality. I have tried to point out that both parties are immoral in some way or another, while having their share of good qualities, as well, which makes me moderate. This means I try to have an open mind and see where both sides are coming from. I just don't like this implication that there is only one "moral" (and therefore "Christian") party. Do we honestly think we will only see Republicans in Heaven? How do we know what someone else's personal life is? Part of being open-minded is being able to recognize that there are other factors as to why one might vote the way they do. Believe it or not, there are many Democrats, nonpartisans, and those affiliated with third parties who are Christians and believe strongly in morality (knowing that God even gives people a choice between right and wrong). Try as you might to talk of morality, I also realize that you can't bop people over the head and make them listen. And there are also Republicans who are not even Christians, and don't have the slightest regard for morals. I think a Christian can care about morals and be affiliated with any party. This doesn't make me "lukewarm". It just means I have a different perspective. I disagree with smoking, but if a Christian brother or sister happens to reveal to me that they smoke, I am not going to condemn them, think any differently of them, or write them off as no better than a "heathen". It just means their convictions are different. So it is with how a fellow Christian may vote. Sharing a common bond means respecting a fellow believer even though you may not agree with every view. As you said earlier, one man's conservative is another's liberal. That's the dilemma I face. I have been bold enough to speak against homosexuality and have been considered no different than a "racist" by extremists on the left who believe it is not a lifestyle. And then there are those on the far right who think I am no different than a "socialist" because I don't think there's anything wrong with the creation of programs (within reason, of course) to help our nation's unfortunates get on their feet. As a result, I am smack in the middle (not that there's anything wrong with that). If it's all about politics, then maybe I don't really belong on the Conservative Christian Forums. But I also feel that being theologically conservative should count for something.

You pretty much sum up what I believe and my politics.

 

[Dan the Man]

Just because one might vote for another party other than Republican doesn't mean that person condones homosexuality, abortion, and other types of immorality. I have tried to point out that both parties are immoral in some way or another, while having their share of good qualities, as well, which makes me moderate. This means I try to have an open mind and see where both sides are coming from. I just don't like this implication that there is only one "moral" (and therefore "Christian") party. Do we honestly think we will only see Republicans in Heaven? How do we know what someone else's personal life is? Part of being open-minded is being able to recognize that there are other factors as to why one might vote the way they do. Believe it or not, there are many Democrats, nonpartisans, and those affiliated with third parties who are Christians and believe strongly in morality (knowing that God even gives people a choice between right and wrong). Try as you might to talk of morality, I also realize that you can't bop people over the head and make them listen. And there are also Republicans who are not even Christians, and don't have the slightest regard for morals. I think a Christian can care about morals and be affiliated with any party. This doesn't make me "lukewarm". It just means I have a different perspective. I disagree with smoking, but if a Christian brother or sister happens to reveal to me that they smoke, I am not going to condemn them, think any differently of them, or write them off as no better than a "heathen". It just means their convictions are different. So it is with how a fellow Christian may vote. Sharing a common bond means respecting a fellow believer even though you may not agree with every view. As you said earlier, one man's conservative is another's liberal. That's the dilemma I face. I have been bold enough to speak against homosexuality and have been considered no different than a "racist" by extremists on the left who believe it is not a lifestyle. And then there are those on the far right who think I am no different than a "socialist" because I don't think there's anything wrong with the creation of programs (within reason, of course) to help our nation's unfortunates get on their feet. As a result, I am smack in the middle (not that there's anything wrong with that). If it's all about politics, then maybe I don't really belong on the Conservative Christian Forums. But I also feel that being theologically conservative should count for something.

You pretty much sum up what I believe and my politics.

Me too. Well said.

 

[religious&reasonable]

(My Opinions)
on some issues yes, and on some issues no.

Issue of Abortion: yes

Issue of Government funded Social Programs: no (I know I'm going to catch some flak for this one)

Economically speaking? That's somewhere in the middle.

But these are just my opnions, as there is no "set in stone" answer to this. We should respect and consider eachother's views on all issues to make the best and most educated decsisions.