CONFUSED

[coreybrit]

k i know alot of people who believe in "god", i oddly do not..i fond your beliefs and constant prayer a waste of time.i look at religious people everywhere and i wonder what there doing, they believe when something bad happens its the fault of man because god gave us free will, but the when something good happens it was gods work, im sure you've all heard this arguement a hundred times but youve got to admit its a good point, and I find it extremely odd that 2000 years after his death poeple are still waiting for jesus to come and judge them, im sorry but who waits to be judged and sent to "hell"...and maybe its me maybe i havent been reading as much of the bible as others but weren't the jewish people supposed to have a covanent with good weren't they suppposed to be his choosen people and he was to protect them like we read in the bible...but then a few thousand years later the halocost comes and hell millions of them get wiped out, but wait thats not gods fault it was the evil of man, that didnt stop moses from helping them from the egyptions...maybe its me maybe i dont see the grand picture gods set up, in all honesty though i do believe in what this god stands for kindness puraity and so on, and yes god is a good story to tell the little school children but i think its time we all grew up and started thinking for ourselves and did what we wanted to for an hour on sunday.

 

[Ampmonster]

"and did what we wanted to for an hour on sunday."

i spend about 5 hours in church on sundays. and 3 on
thursdays...but whatever im just some idiot, right.

"halocost comes and hell millions of them get wiped out, "

ho ho along with 7 million christians...that...oddly enough...never get mentioned

 

[tcampen]

There are both very intellegent and very stupid people in every faith and belief system. Faith and spirituality is not a matter of intellegence, but a matter of personal experience. Where you do with it is ultimately up to you.

 

[openeyes]

k i know alot of people who believe in "god", i oddly do not..i fond your beliefs and constant prayer a waste of time.i look at religious people everywhere and i wonder what there doing, they believe when something bad happens its the fault of man because god gave us free will, but the when something good happens it was gods work, im sure you've all heard this arguement a hundred times but youve got to admit its a good point, and I find it extremely odd that 2000 years after his death poeple are still waiting for jesus to come and judge them, im sorry but who waits to be judged and sent to "hell"...and maybe its me maybe i havent been reading as much of the bible as others but weren't the jewish people supposed to have a covanent with good weren't they suppposed to be his choosen people and he was to protect them like we read in the bible...but then a few thousand years later the halocost comes and hell millions of them get wiped out, but wait thats not gods fault it was the evil of man, that didnt stop moses from helping them from the egyptions...maybe its me maybe i dont see the grand picture gods set up, in all honesty though i do believe in what this god stands for kindness puraity and so on, and yes god is a good story to tell the little school children but i think its time we all grew up and started thinking for ourselves and did what we wanted to for an hour on sunday.

What is it you want to for an hour? I don't attend any type of organized church, but I pray, I meditate, I read my Bible, and I believe in the God of the Bible. I find myself not hindered in any way, by this.
The only one of the 10 Commandments that most athiests have a problem with is the first one; Thou shoult have no other God before me. The rest are just really good ideas to follow.
Is it so bad for me to believe in God and by kind to others, and try not to give in to possibly harmful activities?

 

[SPon]

Correybrit, you are in deep despair. If you would listen to this, then you would understand why religious people pray and how dirty that thing you typed was.
God may be invisible, He may be untouchable, but if you ask Jesus into your heart. Let me tell you a story I heard that is TRUE...
There was a man that didn't believe in God and thought it was all junk. So, one day he went to the public pool at night to go for a swim. When he was about to dive, his shadow formed a cross. At this he bent down and asked Jesus into his heart. After that, the janitor came in and turned on the lights. The pool was empty of water for repairs.

 

[Pooty]

Of course you "heard" it was true, from a Christian.

 

[CushBabylonian]

Not to believe is illogical.

 

[SPon]

How rude!

 

[Annabel Lee]

...

 

[armed2010]

While I dont agree with the original poster, I dont think blindly throwing out hell doctrine will convert anyone

 

[foolsparade]

k i know alot of people who believe in "god", i oddly do not..i fond your beliefs and constant prayer a waste of time.i look at religious people everywhere and i wonder what there doing, they believe when something bad happens its the fault of man because god gave us free will, but the when something good happens it was gods work, im sure you've all heard this arguement a hundred times but youve got to admit its a good point, and I find it extremely odd that 2000 years after his death poeple are still waiting for jesus to come and judge them, im sorry but who waits to be judged and sent to "hell"...and maybe its me maybe i havent been reading as much of the bible as others but weren't the jewish people supposed to have a covanent with good weren't they suppposed to be his choosen people and he was to protect them like we read in the bible...but then a few thousand years later the halocost comes and hell millions of them get wiped out, but wait thats not gods fault it was the evil of man, that didnt stop moses from helping them from the egyptions...maybe its me maybe i dont see the grand picture gods set up, in all honesty though i do believe in what this god stands for kindness puraity and so on, and yes god is a good story to tell the little school children but i think its time we all grew up and started thinking for ourselves and did what we wanted to for an hour on sunday.

The scary thing about this is, that you might be right. .

" I shall not, as far as I am concerned, try to pass myself off as a Christian in your presence. I share with you the same revulsion from evil. But I do not share your hope, and I continue to struggle against this universe in which children suffer and die.
[size=-1]-- Albert Camus, addressing Dominican priests in 1948, quoted by himself in The Unbeliever and Christians, Resistance, Rebellion, and Death, p. 70, [/size]

 

[Havoc]

Correybrit, you are in deep despair. If you would listen to this, then you would understand why religious people pray and how dirty that thing you typed was.
God may be invisible, He may be untouchable, but if you ask Jesus into your heart. Let me tell you a story I heard that is TRUE...
There was a man that didn't believe in God and thought it was all junk. So, one day he went to the public pool at night to go for a swim. When he was about to dive, his shadow formed a cross. At this he bent down and asked Jesus into his heart. After that, the janitor came in and turned on the lights. The pool was empty of water for repairs.

The full story

In 1967 while taking a class in photography at the University of Cincinnati, I became acquainted with a young man named Charles Murray who also was a student at the school and training for the summer Olympics of 1968 as a high diver. Charles was very patient with me as I would speak to him for hours about Jesus Christ and how He had saved me. Charles was not raised in a home that attended any kind of church, so all that I had to tell him was a fascination to him. He even began to ask questions about forgiveness of sin.


Finally the day came that I put a question to him. I asked if he realized his own need of a redeemer and if he was ready to trust Christ as his own Saviour. I saw his countenance fall and the guilt in his face. But his reply was a strong "no."

In the days that followed he was quiet and often I felt that he was avoiding me, until I got a phone call and it was Charles. He wanted to know where to look in the New Testament for some verses that I had given him about salvation. I gave him the reference to several passages and asked if I could meet with him. He declined my offer and thanked me for the scripture. I could tell that he was greatly troubled, but I did not know where he was or how to help him.

Because he was training for the Olympic games, Charles had special privileges at the University pool facilities. Some time between 10:30 and 11:00 that evening he decided to go swim and practice a few dives. It was a clear night in October and the moon was big and bright. The University pool was housed under a ceiling of glass panes so the moon shone bright across the top of the wall in the pool area. Charles climbed to the highest platform to take his first dive. At that moment the Spirit of God began to convict him of his sins. All the scripture he had read, all the occasions of witnessing to him about Christ flooded his mind. He stood on the platform backwards to make his dive, spread his arms to gather his balance, looked up to the wall and saw his own shadow caused by the light of the moon. It was the shape of a cross. He could bear the burden of his sin no longer. His heart broke and he sat down on the platform and asked God to forgive him and save him. He trusted Jesus Christ twenty some feet in the air. Suddenly, the lights in the pool area came on. The attendant had come in to check the pool. As Charles looked down from his platform he saw an empty pool which had been drained for repairs. He had almost plummeted to his death, but the cross had stopped him from disaster.

an exerpt from Snopes.com

You have to wonder about a university that would grant one of their top athletes -- a guy who's in training for the Olympics -- special pool privileges, then close their pool for repairs and drain it, without even notifying him about their plans.
Well, bureaucratic snafus do happen. Still, you have to wonder about a diver who walks around a pool, climbs up a ladder to a diving platform, and stands overlooking the pool in a building "under a ceiling of glass panes" on a night when "the moon was big and bright" yet didn't once notice the absence of light reflecting from where the water should have been. And you really have to wonder about an experienced diver who plunges into a darkened pool from a high-dive platform without having first checked the water to ensure that there are no objects (such as people) in his landing area...
...One important mystery remains unsolved, however. [font=Verdana,Arial]The Cincinnati Post[/font] reported that after receiving many e-mail inquiries about this story, the University of Cincinnati checked to see if they could verify the details. Although the university's swimming pool is housed in Laurence Hall, "a room whose west wall is made entirely of glass panes," a university spokesman said that only two Charles Murrays attended the school in the mid-1960s: one left before 1967, the other wasn't enrolled in 1967, and neither of them was a diver.

So this is the story that is, as you put it "TRUE"?

Tell me, is the Bible equally as TRUE? How can we believe that one claim of absolute truth is correct when another is so obviously not?

 

[Havoc]

Why? Because she chooses not to believe in a claim of "absolute truth" that cannot be substantiated? because she has questions about how the Monster of the Old Testament became the Cuddly God of the New Testament? Because she has questions about some of the inconsistencies of God you belive in? Because she won't believe blindly just because some book tells her she has to?

 

[kimber1]

* MOD HAT ON

Okay folks, i have just done a hatchet job on this thread and if the insults and mudslinging does not stop PRONTO it will just be closed.

*MOD HAT OFF

 

[Havoc]

Thanx Kimber:

I was having trouble understanding how some people were getting away with such horrible name calling.

 

[Annabel Lee]

I'd just like to state for the record that my post was only edited because of what I quoted.
That is all.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Hey corey, if you only want to sound off on why you think belief systems such as christianity are absurd, you may be interested in a site such as internet infidels.