Conflicting religions

[Ram]

There are two individuals who are talking here.

Person A is a Hindu like person believing in the validity of all religions.
Person B is a religious fanatic who beleives his religion to be the only truth.




A: Do you believe in God?
B: Yes.

A: Do you believe God can do anything?
B: Yes.

A: Is God above human sciences, logic and reasoning?
B: Yes.

A: Can God do something that we humans cannot understand or that we find impossible or contradictory?
B: Yes.

A: For example, can God make two plus two equal five?
B: Yes.

A: How about this: Can God make two plus two equal five and at the same time also have two plus two equal four?
B: Yes.

A: Can God have multiple religions which all seem contradictory to us by logic and reasoning, but still have them all ultimately true?
B: Umm...well...errm....

 

[Electra]

''God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts''

 

[MachineGod]

There are two individuals who are talking here.

Person A is a Hindu like person believing in the validity of all religions.
Person B is a religious fanatic who beleives his religion to be the only truth.




A: Do you believe in God?
B: Yes.

A: Do you believe God can do anything?
B: Yes.

A: Is God above human sciences, logic and reasoning?
B: Yes.

A: Can God do something that we humans cannot understand or that we find impossible or contradictory?
B: Yes.

A: For example, can God make two plus two equal five?
B: Yes.

A: How about this: Can God make two plus two equal five and at the same time also have two plus two equal four?
B: Yes.

A: Can God have multiple religions which all seem contradictory to us by logic and reasoning, but still have them all ultimately true?
B: Umm...well...errm....

So, if a person’s religion says it is the only way, the only truth…you believe in the validity of it?



*shakes head miserably*

 

[Arthra]

Ram wrote:

There are two individuals who are talking here.

Person A is a Hindu like person believing in the validity of all religions.
Person B is a religious fanatic who beleives his religion to be the only truth.......

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My comment:

I think it would have been better had you simply posed it this way:

Person A is a person who believes in the validity of all religions.

Person B is a person believes his religion to be the only truth..

What you want to promote though in my view is dialogue not simply characterizations or rather stereotypes.

- Art

 

[rahma]

So if I believe my relgion is the only way to the truth, then I'm a religious fanatic? Well, I guess I'm in good company, because I'm willing to bet that most people believe their religions are the only truth.

I've found that people who claim to be tolerant and accepting of all religions are only accepting of religions that are also universalistic.

 

[Lokisdottir]

I've found that people who claim to be tolerant and accepting of all religions are only accepting of religions that are also universalistic.

I'm tolerant of all religions, even the ones that say theirs is right and mine is wrong. I just disagree, is all.

 

[sanaa]

I've found that people who claim to be tolerant and accepting of all religions are only accepting of religions that are also universalistic.

thats not true . i accept exclusive religions like christianity , islam etc. even though i dont agree with them 1 bit

 

[Steve Petersen]

If religions A and B are mutually exclusive there are only two possibilities: 1) one of them is correct, or 2) they are both wrong!

 

[sanaa]

Ram , nice article but on that last point theres a loophole . yes different religions can be ultimately true but theres no way calvinist christianity and hinduism can be true at the same time . universalist christianity or certain denominations which dont subscribe to the eternal hell belief like SDA's i think could hold certain truth along with conflicting religions

 

[rahul_sharma]

Ocean includes sea in itself , sea dont/cant include Ocean in itself.

 

[Lifesaver]

There are two individuals who are talking here.

Person A is a Hindu like person believing in the validity of all religions.
Person B is a religious fanatic who beleives his religion to be the only truth.

Someone who adheres to the belief that all religions are true is as much of a fanatic as person B.
Fanatic usually means someone who, in the name of faith, gives up on reason, his conscience and morality.

If someone thinks that two different religions, which teach different and contradictory things, can be true, he has given up on reason.
Furthermore, he is as stubborn in this belief that all religions are true as the B fanatic is on the belief that only his religion is true.

Either all religions are true or less than all religions are true. Why does someone who believes in the former is often considered "open-minded" (despite his despise for simple logic) while someone who believes in the latter a fanatic? This is prejudice and bigotry.

 

[kedaman]

Two conflicting religions cannot be true at the same time. If one is true, then all that conflict with it, must be false.

 

[Steve Petersen]

But they could both be wrong, a point I made earlier.

 

[MachineGod]

But they could both be wrong, a point I made earlier.

True.I think the point that some are trying to make (what I insinuated as well) is…

Person A is a Hindu like person believing in the validity of ALL religions.
Person B is a religious fanatic who beleives his religion to be the only truth.

If A, then B is true, therefore A is false.

“A” would be a contradictory stance.

Tolerance of all religions would be better to say, or say that all religions have SOME truth in them. The wording was poor.

The dialogue however, was meant to show that a particular attribute given to God is contradictory with the stance of “B” when confronted with particular questions.

I think the dialogue went wrong at “2” – that God can do anything. I think a more valid way of saying it, would be “God can do anything that is logically possible”, and then stance “B” doesn’t become contradictory in the dialogue.


There are some things that such a God just could not do…for example he can not make a square circle. God can’t - exist, and not exist, in the same context, at the same time, ect. If the statement were made that God is outside of logic, then consequently He would be illogical.

 

[Franze]

If everything is the same, everything is subjective and there aren´t truth and all religions are false, like others say, there are only one truth.
In addition if all the people are the same, everybody have to have the same religion and morality.

 

[kedaman]

But they could both be wrong, a point I made earlier.

Yes, that's also true.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Nearly all cultures have SOME morality in common. Have you ever heard of a culture that approved of disrespecting one's parents or one in which cowardice is a virtue?

 

[kedaman]

If A, then B is true, therefore A is false.

 

[TrueQ]

Lol, I'm going contradict all reasonable logic and slip into a bit of a raving mystic persona here, but:

If only one religion is true, that doesn't prevent other religions from being true, or all religions from being true even. Conflicting truths can stand alongside each other and not cancel each other out. "There are trivial truths and great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." Truth is an invention of the human mind and is thus something that things above, below, or beyond humankind need not necessarily concern itself with.

Doubtless there are people out there who disagree with this sort of thinking. This tends to disgust and enrage them, but I would like to say, in a non-condescending manner (Though that's hard to translate through the internet, I sincerely mean it), that there beliefs and facts are also true.

 

[kedaman]

Another thing worth mentioning is that absurdities belong to all sets: F => T, so a person who claims to hold all religions true is also Christian, but since Christianity holds that you cannot have two masters, then absurdities don't exist, so a person cannot claim to hold all religions true.