Confession of sin?

[God_Owned]

Andrew,

It is a Spiriual Word I wrote not a natural word. The same Meal God had Israel eat is the Same Spiritual Meal we eat now,.....even the bitter herbs. You'll be reading in the Bible and not soon after you'll come across a bitter herb.

Paul through out Hebrews reminds us in the wilderness that when Israel sinned and proved God they were destroyed because they did not want to suffer and cease from sin to believe God's Word. This is a bitter herb that was being fed to us as we read. Like I said, it's a Spiritual Word I am saying. It's not something you can touch for when the hands of man are involved there is always a betrayer at hand. That too was a bitter herb I just said in the Spirit to you. God is One.

Bitter Herbs: Are reminding you what sin can do - what it has done and how it puts us back into bondage if we turn back to live there again to serve it.
Look at some of the words in the Bible that speakss of the Bitter Herbs:
Serve sin:
Let not sin:
Unto sin:
of sin:
is sin:
take heed:
if ye:
that sin rebuke:
yoke of bondage:
bondage:
And almost every Proverb has a bitter herb to eat, that we might remember what Sin does to us if we don't take care of our walk. It's to wash our feet if we let it as Christ washed out feet before He was crucified that we might was eachothers feet in the same basin. And so in most of the Holy Scriptures there are bitter Herbs to eat,....lest we forget what sin does to us when we engage in it.

This Meal: It's actually all over your Bible:
The Lamb and the bitter Herbs.

I kid you not my friend!

Peace to you as you eat The Whole Meal of God,
Connie

Great response!

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Great response!

Godown,

Thanks.

Christ is our Passover!!! - All of it!!!
1. The blood - on the door posts (on our hearts door)
2. The Lamb - to be inside of us (ingested)
3. The Unleavened Bread - to be inside of us (ingested)
4. The Bitter Herbs - to be inside of us (ingested)

Later Israel will even drink the same Spiritual Drink - the blood of the lamb. And still they provoked God to destroy them in the Wilderness because they did not believe The Holy God He really Was and Is and Is To Come!

It's the Same God we SERVE AND LOVE AND OBEY!!!

THE WHOLE PASSOVER MEAL: CHRIST OUR PASSOVER!!!
1 Corinthians 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, <----((Look at your sin and know the bondage of it
and utterly destroy it: <--- That the Bitter Herbs
,....that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. <---Unleavened Bread
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed<---The Unspotted Lamb
,...for us:

Ex 12:1-12
12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.
12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

Ex 12:13-14
13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

This is all a true Confession of Sin and so much more!!!
We Eat the Lamb,....in Hope
We Eat the unleavened bread,.....in Humility as no sin
We Eat the Bitter Herbs,....in always being mindful of what sin has done to us and can do again
We Drink the Blood in Forgiveness - Love

1 Cor 11:26
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. KJV

To remember That Jesus had to die for us is a bitter herb.
It is a Part of the Whole Passover Meal. It's true Confessions!!

It was a Bitter Herb for Christ to die - to take upon Himself "Sin",.......for he cried many times to The Father if it were possible for it to pass by Him.
It was a Bitter Cup to drink. To have the shame of sin in Him was Him fulfilling the Bitter Herbs. Jesus is still our Whole Passover Meal,.....it is an everlasting Covenant - for it speaks of Christ Jesus our Lord.

Do you see it again?
Connie

 

[Andrew]

Sorry Connie,

My point is simple:

We don't partake of bitter herbs in the Holy Communion.

We take the bread, then drink of the cup. There are no "bitter herbs" in between.

The bitter herbs were to remind the Israelites of their sufferings in Egypt. Uncoverted Jews who still observe the Passover today still take the bitter herbs I guess, but not born again Christians.

We don't observe the passover like the Jews. We observe the Holy Comm instituted by Jesus.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Sorry Connie,

My point is simple:

We don't partake of bitter herbs in the Holy Communion.

We take the bread, then drink of the cup. There are no "bitter herbs" in between.

The bitter herbs were to remind the Israelites of their sufferings in Egypt. Uncoverted Jews who still observe the Passover today still take the bitter herbs I guess, but not born again Christians.

We don't observe the passover like the Jews. We observe the Holy Comm instituted by Jesus.

Andrew,

Every time you read your Bible and commune with Christ on your bed (where ever) you are Partaking He WHO IS YOUR PASSOVER MEAL. The Holy One of Israel:

I am talking about walking in the Spirit with the Lord - who is Our Passover Meal - Ex. 12. This Is The Lord God who saved You. Who Saved Me. The same Table of the Lord is the Same Passover Meal.

1 Cor 11:28-31
28 But let a man examine himself, <----Bitter Herbs: Look if you have been Remaining in Bondage to Sin.

and so let him eat of that bread, <----Unleavened Bread: Humility and Sincerity, Christ' body His Covenant to YOU - not one bone of His was broken.

and drink of that cup. <------The Blood of The Lamb

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. <-----This is a "Bitter Herb" to engest,...but it's for our good. If we eat it.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. <-----This is a "Bitter Herb" to engest,...but it's for our good. If we eat it.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, <-----This is a "Bitter Herb" to engest,...but it's for our good. If we eat it.

(it's for our good why?),...<<< we should not be judged. >>> Judged to be casted in the Lake of Fire.

Like I said it's a Spiritual Word I'm voicing it is God's Point, not man's. The Holy One of Israel handed down "Passover" - that was Jesus! For Himself to fulfill it - all. He engested the Bitter Herb when He died on the Cross for our sins which is that fulfillment of the "Bitter Herbs." He had to drink that bitter cup, according to Holy Scripture. And we carrying our cross is also Establishing the Passover Meal, the Bitter Herb part.

And when natural Israel (as a whole) comes to Christ and knows that The Messiah had to die a cruel death for them it will, once again, be a picture of the fulfillment of "The Bitter Herbs" that had to be eaten (engested) in the Passover Meal. And it will be such a bitter word that they all will Cry and Weep and Mourn bitterly.

This (below) is a Passover Meal Holy Word too:
The Bitter Herb included:

Matt 10:38
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. KJV

This is a Bitter word to read but we MUST eat all of it if we are Under His Blood and are In Christ.

Peace,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Sorry Connie,

The bitter herbs were to remind the Israelites of their sufferings in Egypt.

Andrew,

From your quote:
And what "Spiritual Picture" is this?


Name Spiritually: Bondage?
Name Spiritually: Bondage in Egypt?


Connie

 

[Andrew]

Andrew,

From your quote:
And what "Spiritual Picture" is this?


Name Spiritually: Bondage?
Name Spiritually: Bondage in Egypt?


Connie

I don't quite understand your question, but as I said earlier, the bitter herbs were to be eaten henceforth by the Jews at every Passover meal to remind them of their sufferings, bondage, slavery in Egypt. IOW, the bitter life they had.

As to what "spiritual picture" that is for us Christians today, post-cross, I see it as a "spirtual word" that we are no longer in bondage to Satan, Pharoah being a type (or spiritual picture) of Satan in the OT. IOW set free from his death grip by the blood of the Lamb.

I don't see the bitter herbs as "carrying the cross" in the context of the Passover meal or Holy Communion, simply becos Jesus in the Last Supper never said, "Eat these bitters herbs as often as you can, with the bread and cup, and remember me".

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I don't quite understand your question, but as I said earlier, the bitter herbs were to be eaten henceforth by the Jews at every Passover meal to remind them of their sufferings, bondage, slavery in Egypt. IOW, the bitter life they had.

As to what "spiritual picture" that is for us Christians today, post-cross, I see it as a "spirtual word" that we are no longer in bondage to Satan, Pharoah being a type (or spiritual picture) of Satan in the OT.

Andrew, Very decent.

I don't see the bitter herbs as "carrying the cross" in the context of the Passover meal or Holy Communion, simply becos Jesus in the Last Supper never said, "Eat these bitters herbs as often as you can, with the bread and cup, and remember me".

I know you don't think that even physically Jesus carrying 'the cross' was a joyous occassion for Christ? It was a part of "Bitter herbs" He fulfilled for us!
Jesus sweating great drops of blood in the Garden of Ges'me was also "Bitter Herbs."
The Bitter Herbs also caused one to cry tears, which the Bitter Herbs were to remind them of what Egpyt's (sin) bondage does to ones whole life.

As you too suffer in the flesh to cease from sin, to not strick back at another or use sarcasm is Christ' Fulfillment of the Bitter Herbs in you. And you will experience the tears of suffering for Christ' sake while you do NOT just easily stricking back in pride or anger. This is suffering for Christ when you cease from sin and as you prove that you Love Jesus more than you do the flesh nature which is same as Satan's ways.

As to what "spiritual picture" that is for us Christians today, post-cross, I see it as a "spirtual word" that we are no longer in bondage to Satan, Pharoah being a type (or spiritual picture) of Satan in the OT. IOW set free from his death grip by the blood of the Lamb.

We were made free from sin and from the Power of Satan - Yes. But "The Blood of the Lamb" protected us From The wrath of God/Himself who allowed the Destroyer, Who is 'The Plague', to bring Destruction. But if we ever come back in Egypt (sin as a practice and a life style again even in our thought life) we will be back under the power of Satan and The Plague of his works will destroy us or God may just allow him to beat upon us some to learn our lessons that if we play around provoking the Lord we can be are back delivered unto Satan. Much of the Church are already turned aside after Satan and his ways again. Billy Graham says 75% of the Church is Lost,.....I say it's higher than that.

Ex 12:13-14
13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

Ex 12:23-24
23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.

24 And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever. KJV

These things are the Bitter Herbs we must eat as a warning unto our souls for good - that we might Learn the Holy Cleansing of the Fear of the Lord. These are Holy but Bitter Herbs of the Reality of The Knowledge of God and How He does things in His Kingdom, lest we fall short of Entering Into His Rest:

1 Tim 1:20
20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. KJV

1 Cor 5:4-7
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Prov 14:26-27
26 In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

Ps 19:9-11
9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

"servant Warned" is also Andrew "Bitter Herbs" we are eating as we take His Word into our hearts as we come upon the Scripture because our Lord Fulfilled the Passover Meal - all of it.

Now even the Bitter Herbs that we Spiritually Eat, as we come upon God's Whole Counsel of His Word, is God's Amazing Grace unto us!!!

Peace to you and Bless you for your time as always,
Connie
UPDATES IN PURPLE:

 

[Jesus Is Real]

1 Cor 10:10
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Even when we murmur about the weather it provokes God to Anger, for it's idol words unto The Lord.
Every complaint we say God hears it as we are talking to Him,.....for it's all about Him.

Why would God's Holy Spirit through Paul warn us about murmuring? Because it's in our flesh nature to do so,....so we must eat these Spiritual Bitter Herbs as a Warning lest what befalls the world befalls us. So we are bitten to this supper as well which is to put our deeds of the flesh (when God brings them before us) to death through His Spirit - utterly destroy the enemies on the Land as God also taught Israel.

It is a Loving Kindness unto God to even cause us to Eat all of His Word and leave none for the following day - for we are not promised tomorrow.

Let us eat the Bread of God, with Holy Fear and Thanksgiving. For if the Righteous scarcely be saved the others shall appear in hell. Judge your own heart, as I too have to judge mine. More "Bitter Herbs" to hear to be eaten.

1 Peter 4:17-19
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Ps 17:3-4
3 Thou has proved mine heart; thou hast visited me in the night; thou has tried me, and shalt find nothing; I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress.

4 Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer.
KJV

Jer 4:6-8
6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

8 For this gird you with sackcloth, lament and howl: for the fierce anger of the LORD is not turned back from us.

Jer 30:12-14
12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

Jer 30:15
15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

Will we not seek His Face early?

Please read Every Word from God's Word as if it's your last meal on earth and take each word to heart even God's Bitter Herbs,
Connie

 

[TreeOfLife]

Sorry Connie,

My point is simple:

We don't partake of bitter herbs in the Holy Communion.

We take the bread, then drink of the cup. There are no "bitter herbs" in between.

The bitter herbs were to remind the Israelites of their sufferings in Egypt. Uncoverted Jews who still observe the Passover today still take the bitter herbs I guess, but not born again Christians.

We don't observe the passover like the Jews. We observe the Holy Comm instituted by Jesus.

Amen Andrew.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Thank you Andrew.

Connie, I am having difficulty understanding what you are saying, and I am sorry if I am misunderstanding, but something about this is leaving a sour taste, and that's how I know something isn't right.

There is no bitterness left for me to swallow - Jesus drained the cup to the very last drop. Freedom! Hallelujah!

 

[God_Owned]

God Has Forgiven You
A popular idea is that God is really mad at people and can hardly wait to punish them for their sins.
The truth is that God has already forgiven people. Now accepting His forgiveness is your responsibility.
1 JOHN 2:12 NKJ
12 I write to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake.


God Forgives All Sin
PSALM 85:2 NKJ
2 You have forgiven the iniquity of Your people; You have covered all their sin. Selah
PSALM 103:3 NKJ
3 Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases,

ACTS 13:38-39 NKJ
38 "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;

39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

ISAIAH 43:25 NKJ
25 "I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; and I will not remember your sins.

HEBREWS 8:12 NKJ
12 "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."

LUKE 7:48 NKJ
48 And He said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."


No matter what you have done -- God has already forgiven you!

Forgiving you was God's idea -- you do not have to convince Him. You must believe God forgave you and thank Him.
Jesus Forgave You
LUKE 23:34 NKJ
34 Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." And they divided His garments and cast lots.


Even as He was dying for your sins, from the cross, Jesus asked His Father God to forgive people -- and He did!

Sins Not Held Against You
2 CORINTHIANS 5:19 NKJ
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
2 CORINTHIANS 5:19 AMPLIFIED
19 It was God (personally present) in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them]; and committing to us the message of reconciliation -- of the restoration to favor.

The Good News is that Jesus Christ already paid the price for all your sins -- and God is no longer holding any sin against you! You have been forgiven. Now you must accept that to receive the benefit of Jesus' sacrifice.
ACTS 26:18 NKJ
18 `to open their eyes and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'


Redemption & Forgiveness EPHESIANS 1:7 NKJ
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

COLOSSIANS 1:13-14 NKJ
13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

COLOSSIANS 2:13-14 NKJ
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.


Through Jesus we have redemption from the devil and forgiveness for sins.

God Forgave -- Now You Forgive EPHESIANS 4:32 NKJ
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ also forgave you.

COLOSSIANS 3:13 NKJ
13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.


God not only forgave you, but gave you His life and love on the inside. So, He expects you to act like Him -- and forgive. God forgave you; now you must forgive yourself, and others -- even when they have done wrong.

As A Believer
When you sin as a believer, the promise of 1 John 1:9 is for you. By confessing your sin to God, you receive forgiveness and are freed from that sin.
1 JOHN 1:9 NKJ
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Andrew]

God Has Forgiven You
A popular idea is that God is really mad at people and can hardly wait to punish them for their sins.
The truth is that God has already forgiven people. Now accepting His forgiveness is your responsibility.
1 JOHN 2:12 NKJ
12 I write to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake.


God Forgives All Sin
PSALM 85:2 NKJ
2 You have forgiven the iniquity of Your people; You have covered all their sin. Selah
PSALM 103:3 NKJ
3 Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases,

ACTS 13:38-39 NKJ
38 "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;

39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

ISAIAH 43:25 NKJ
25 "I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; and I will not remember your sins.

HEBREWS 8:12 NKJ
12 "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."

LUKE 7:48 NKJ
48 And He said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."


No matter what you have done -- God has already forgiven you!

Forgiving you was God's idea -- you do not have to convince Him. You must believe God forgave you and thank Him.
Jesus Forgave You
LUKE 23:34 NKJ
34 Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." And they divided His garments and cast lots.


Even as He was dying for your sins, from the cross, Jesus asked His Father God to forgive people -- and He did!

Sins Not Held Against You
2 CORINTHIANS 5:19 NKJ
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
2 CORINTHIANS 5:19 AMPLIFIED
19 It was God (personally present) in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them]; and committing to us the message of reconciliation -- of the restoration to favor.

The Good News is that Jesus Christ already paid the price for all your sins -- and God is no longer holding any sin against you! You have been forgiven. Now you must accept that to receive the benefit of Jesus' sacrifice.
ACTS 26:18 NKJ
18 `to open their eyes and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'


Redemption & Forgiveness EPHESIANS 1:7 NKJ
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

COLOSSIANS 1:13-14 NKJ
13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

COLOSSIANS 2:13-14 NKJ
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.


Through Jesus we have redemption from the devil and forgiveness for sins.

God Forgave -- Now You Forgive EPHESIANS 4:32 NKJ
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ also forgave you.

COLOSSIANS 3:13 NKJ
13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.


God not only forgave you, but gave you His life and love on the inside. So, He expects you to act like Him -- and forgive. God forgave you; now you must forgive yourself, and others -- even when they have done wrong.

As A Believer
When you sin as a believer, the promise of 1 John 1:9 is for you. By confessing your sin to God, you receive forgiveness and are freed from that sin.
1 JOHN 1:9 NKJ
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Godown,

You know I agree 100% with everything you said until the last part:
----
When you sin as a believer, there is 1 John 1:9. Just confess and you will be forgiven and re-righteoused.
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I guess you believe in forgiveness of sins only in terms of past sins. ie only your sins from the time you were conceived to the time you accepted Christ are forgiven.

From then on, every sin you commit has to be confessed, in order to be forgiven and to remain righteous. That is simply not the gospel.

Either Jesus bore all your lifetime of sins at Calvary or He did not at all.

If you were born again at say, 10pm on 1 Jan 2000, it cannot be that when Jesus hung on the cross, He was only carrying your sins up to 10pm, 1 Jan 2000.

And if you say, "That's ridiculous! He bore all my sins -- past, present, future," then why do you have to confess your sin everytime you sin? Or if you believe in that, then why do you not confess your past sins too, from the time you were born to the time you got saved?

It all sounds ridiculous right? And it is, becos it is not the gospel.

If 1 John 1:9 is for the believer, then you have to be consistent in your interpretation and application of it.

And again, I don't understand why Christians who apply 1 Jn 1:9 actually believe that their righteousness can be reduced or lost when they sin. I don't understand why they believe that a Christian can be re-righteoused, every time he applies 1 John 1:9. Did Christ give us such a flimsy righteousness? Is His own righteousness given to us by grace so shaky and fragile?

 

[lovesblessing]

Hi Andrew!

Well, you know that I agree with you..... and I can tell you why Christians believe the lie about 1 John 1:9......it's because it is hammered into them constantly by preachers......especially Word of Faith folks......and almost every other Pentecostal group there is! (Not to mention just about all denoms.)

If you folks in Singapore were constantly hearing that same message preached on your tv's as is here in the US and other countries, you would just think it is a normal part of being a Christian.....to be constantly examining youself to see if you had sinned in some way, because what you were confessing and believing God for wasn't happening.......and no matter what you did, repenting of every sin known to mankind, you still wouldn't have any of God's grace flowing in you life......sheesh! I am so thankful to God that He loved me and wanted me to know the real truth of His Gospel of Grace to me through Christ Jesus.....what a wonderful gift He has given me.....true freedom in Christ!

Listen up all you WoF folks, you know for sure that "confession brings posession...so if you want to keep right on sinning then keep right on confessing you sins.......for sure you will live a life of frustration and constant condemnation......I been there, it is the pits! Far better to confess that you are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus when you sin, because you are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus by faith.....not by your works!

What is wrong with you is that you think something is wrong with you......then the devil has a hook in you to yank on that yoke around your neck! And believe me, he will take every advantage to accuse you and cause you to be self condemned.....because when you are.......you are no threat to him!

Keep preaching it Andrew!

lovesblessing

You know I agree 100% with everything you said until the last part:
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When you sin as a believer, there is 1 John 1:9. Just confess and you will be forgiven and re-righteoused.
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I guess you believe in forgiveness of sins only in terms of past sins. ie only your sins from the time you were conceived to the time you accepted Christ are forgiven.

From then on, every sin you commit has to be confessed, in order to be forgiven and to remain righteous. That is simply not the gospel.

Either Jesus bore all your lifetime of sins at Calvary or He did not at all.

If you were born again at say, 10pm on 1 Jan 2000, it cannot be that when Jesus hung on the cross, He was only carrying your sins up to 10pm, 1 Jan 2000.

And if you say, "That's ridiculous! He bore all my sins -- past, present, future," then why do you have to confess your sin everytime you sin? Or if you believe in that, then why do you not confess your past sins too, from the time you were born to the time you got saved?

It all sounds ridiculous right? And it is, becos it is not the gospel.

If 1 John 1:9 is for the believer, then you have to be consistent in your interpretation and application of it.

And again, I don't understand why Christians who apply 1 Jn 1:9 actually believe that their righteousness can be reduced or lost when they sin. I don't understand why they believe that a Christian can be re-righteoused, every time he applies 1 John 1:9. Did Christ give us such a flimsy righteousness? Is His own righteousness given to us by grace so shaky and fragile?

 

[God_Owned]

Godown,

You know I agree 100% with everything you said until the last part:
----
When you sin as a believer, there is 1 John 1:9. Just confess and you will be forgiven and re-righteoused.
----
I guess you believe in forgiveness of sins only in terms of past sins. ie only your sins from the time you were conceived to the time you accepted Christ are forgiven.

From then on, every sin you commit has to be confessed, in order to be forgiven and to remain righteous. That is simply not the gospel.

Either Jesus bore all your lifetime of sins at Calvary or He did not at all.

If you were born again at say, 10pm on 1 Jan 2000, it cannot be that when Jesus hung on the cross, He was only carrying your sins up to 10pm, 1 Jan 2000.

And if you say, "That's ridiculous! He bore all my sins -- past, present, future," then why do you have to confess your sin everytime you sin? Or if you believe in that, then why do you not confess your past sins too, from the time you were born to the time you got saved?

It all sounds ridiculous right? And it is, becos it is not the gospel.

If 1 John 1:9 is for the believer, then you have to be consistent in your interpretation and application of it.

And again, I don't understand why Christians who apply 1 Jn 1:9 actually believe that their righteousness can be reduced or lost when they sin. I don't understand why they believe that a Christian can be re-righteoused, every time he applies 1 John 1:9. Did Christ give us such a flimsy righteousness? Is His own righteousness given to us by grace so shaky and fragile?

Andrew

You've had this explained to you before .

You are righteous as long as you are saved.

Under Old Testament Law, the blood of bulls and goats put off God's peoples sins ahead of them for one year. This was to prevent them from coming into contact with their sin so even though they still had a sin nature, they could still live free from the ramification of their sins.

Consider the following verses:

Psalm 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

Psalm 32:5 I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

Psalm 38:18 For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin.

David was protected by the Old Testament sacrifices and yet he still confessed his sins. This is so that he could receive, by faith, the benefits of having his sin put off for a year.

He also receive the benefits of judging himself, avoiding the judgment of God.

The same principle applies in the New Testament.

When we confess our sins to God:
- we are forgiven for our sins.
- we are judging our own actions before God.
- we access the kingdom of God in this world.
- we begin to again build our confidence towards God (1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God)
- we repent from wronging our own soul. (Proverbs 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.)
- we remove reproach. (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.)
- we become obedient to God's to which tells us to confess our sins.
- we get into fellowship with God.
- we reduce the risk of getting into a head long back slide which in the extreme could result in the loss of our salvation.

Hebrews 6
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[God_Owned]

I got this on line. See what you think.

Question: "Why do we need to confess our sins if they have already been forgiven (1 John 1:9)?"

Answer: The Apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians that "So we praise God for the wonderful kindness he has poured out on us because we belong to his dearly loved Son. He is so rich in kindness that he purchased our freedom through the blood of his Son, and our sins are forgiven. He has showered his kindness on us, along with all wisdom and understanding (Ephesians 1:6-8, NLT). This is referring to salvation where God has taken our sins and as the Psalmist says put them as far as the East is from the West (Psalm 102:12). This is the judicial forgiveness that God gives us upon receiving His Son Jesus Christ. All the past, present, and future sins are forgiven on a judicial basis meaning that we will not suffer eternal punishment for our sins. We still often suffer consequences of sin while we are here on earth - which brings us to your question.

The difference between Ephesians and 1 John is that 1 John is dealing with what we call "familial" forgiveness like that of a father and a son. For example if you do something wrong to your father, that is fall short of his expectations or rules, you have a hindered relationship but you are still a son. That relationship is hindered until you admit to your father that you have done wrong. The same way works with God, your relationship is hindered with God until you confess that sin. Then the relationship is restored.

During that time of brokenness you can experience doubt, frustration and even discipline from the Father see what the writer of Hebrews says about discipline: "As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Whoever heard of a child who was never disciplined? If God doesn’t discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children after all. Since we respect our earthly fathers who disciplined us, should we not all the more cheerfully submit to the discipline of our heavenly Father and live forever. For our earthly fathers disciplined us for a few years, doing the best they knew how. But God’s discipline is always right and good for us because it means we will share in his holiness. No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it is painful! But afterward there will be a quiet harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way" (Hebrews 12:7-11, NLT).

Confession of sin according to 1 John 1:9 will help to keep us from the discipline of the Lord. If we fail to confess that sin the discipline of the Lord is sure to come until we do confess that sin. As you can see our sins are forgiven at salvation but our relationship with God on a daily basis needs to stay in close fellowship. Therefore you need to confess your sin as it occurs to keep that right relationship with God.

 

[God_Owned]

If We Confess Our Sins by John MacArthur
All Rights Reserved

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness – 1 John 1:9.


That is one of the first verses many new Christians memorize–and rightly so. It holds forth the comforting promise of forgiveness and cleansing for all of us who have struggled with guilt in this sin-stained world. Yet there are some today who, because they fail to comprehend the extent of divine forgiveness, deny the clear teaching of 1 John 1:9 and teach other to do the same. They say that to pray for forgiveness reveals unbelief. After all, a healthy Christian doesn’t experience guilt because he understands Christ’s total forgiveness. Why seek forgiveness when you already have it?

However, their guilt-free brand of Christianity not only burdens guilty people with more guilt, but also strips away the only means to alleviate the guilt of sin–confession. Rather than helping Christians draw near to God, they are reinforcing the barrier of sin that interrupts their relationship with God. But that’s not the end of the story.


The Bible clearly teaches that Christians should seek forgiveness. Consider this:

In each one of the penitential psalms (Pss. 6; 32; 38; 51; 102; 130; 143), the psalmist is demonstrating the heart of a justified believer when he seeks forgiveness. In each case the psalmist is already a believer, fully forgiven.


In the gospels, Christ taught believers to ask the Father to forgive their sins (Matt. 6:12; Mark 11:25; Luke 11:4). Some of those to whom He spoke were already born again.

In 1 John 1, the verb tenses show that confession and forgiveness should be a continuous experience. Verse 7 literally reads, "The blood of Jesus His Son keeps cleansing us from all sin," and verse 9 likewise says, "If we are continually confessing our sins." Those to whom John wrote were already fully forgiven believers (cf. 5:13).


But the question remains: Why are you supposed to seek God’s forgiveness if He has already justified you? If justification takes care of sin past, present, and future, so there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ (Rom. 8:1), why pray for forgiveness? Aren’t you praying for something that is already yours?

The answer is that divine forgiveness has two aspects. One is the judicial forgiveness God grants as Judge. It’s the forgiveness God purchased for you by Christ’s atonement for your sin. That kind of forgiveness frees you from any threat of eternal condemnation. It is the forgiveness of justification. Such pardon is immediately complete–you’ll never need to seek it again.


The other is a parental forgiveness God grants as your Father. He is grieved when His children sin. The forgiveness of justification takes care of judicial guilt, but it does not nullify His fatherly displeasure over your sin. He chastens those whom He loves, for their good (Heb. 12:5-11).

Let me show you the difference:


Judicial forgiveness deals with sin’s penalty–parental forgiveness deals with sin’s consequences.

Judicial forgiveness frees us from the condemnation of the righteous, omniscient Judge whom we have wronged–parental forgiveness sets things right with a grieving and displeased but loving Father.



Judicial forgiveness provides an unshakeable standing before the throne of divine judgment–parental forgiveness deals with the state of our sanctification at any given moment and is dispensed from a throne of divine grace.

So the forgiveness Christians are supposed to seek in their daily walk is not pardon from an angry Judge, but mercy from a grieved Father.



Some object to the idea that God could ever be displeased with His own children. They ask: Can our once-and-for-all forgiven sins ever provoke divine displeasure? The answer is a resounding "Yes." In fact, it is because of God’s righteous displeasure over your sin that He refuses to leave you the way you are–sinful.

In a very practical sense, God’s indignation over your daily sins demonstrates His love for you. That’s the thought of Hebrews 12:5-11 where some form of the word discipline is used seven times. Divine displeasure over your sin brings discipline, reproof, and scourging. That’s a good thing, not only because it helps rid your life of sin, but it also shows His love for you and confirms your relationship to Him–"those whom the Lord loves He disciplines, and He scourges every son whom He receives" (v. 6).


God’s discipline–sometimes involving punishment for disobedience–is painful; no one will argue with that. But you must remember: He is causing you to share in His holiness (v. 10); He is training you (v. 11); He is producing in you the "peaceful fruit of righteousness" (v. 11). So when you have sinned, humble yourself, confess your sin, and submit to His loving discipline.

Remorse over sin, daily confession, and a continual attitude of repentance are marks of a healthy Christian life. What’s the benefit? Look again at 1 John 1:9: "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (italics added). Forgiveness and cleansing–those promises are as refreshing to the sinner as a cold drink of water to a thirsty man.


David testified to the power of confession in Psalm 32: "When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away through my groaning all day long. For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me; my vitality was drained away as with the fever heat of summer…I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I did not hide; I said, "I will confess my sin to the Lord"; and You forgave the guilt of my sin" (vv. 4-5). The guilt of David’s sin affected him physically–he found relief only through full confession.

We’ve already discussed the difference between judicial and parental forgiveness–the latter is in view in 1 John 1:9. It is a subjective, relational kind of forgiveness. It is the restoration to a place of blessing in the eyes of a displeased father. Similarly, the cleansing of 1 John 1:9 doesn’t refer to regeneration. Rather, it is a spiritual washing to rid you of the defilement caused by sin in your daily walk. The verse is speaking of an ongoing pardon and purification from sin, not the cleansing and forgiveness of salvation.


The pardon of justification and the washing of regeneration do not eliminate the need for you to deal with the subjective reality of sin in your life. If you entertain such an idea, you will either be consumed by your guilt or you will steel yourself against the pangs of your conscience–either reaction will separate you from a loving Father.

Instead, keep confessing your sins; seek God’s forgiveness and cleansing daily. As the verse says, He is faithful to Himself to forgive your sins and He is just, having already made full atonement for your sins through the sacrifice of His beloved Son. When you confess your sins, you are restored by a loving Father who delights to shower the brokenhearted and repentant with His mercy and compassion.


Adapted from The Freedom and Power of Forgiveness, © 1998 by John MacArthur. All rights reserved.

 

[God_Owned]

our sins, one to another. Short piece of an article but very good points...

Confession


"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." Proverbs 28:13.

The conditions of obtaining mercy of God are simple and just and reasonable. The Lord does not require us to do some grievous thing in order that we may have the forgiveness of sin. We need not make long and wearisome pilgrimages, or perform painful penances, to commend our souls to the God of heaven or to expiate our transgression; but he that confesseth and forsaketh his sin shall have mercy.


The apostle says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed." James 5:16. Confess your sins to God, who only can forgive them, and your faults to one another. If you have given offense to your friend or neighbor, you are to acknowledge your wrong, and it is his duty freely to forgive you. Then you are to seek the forgiveness of God, because the brother you have wounded is the property of God, and in injuring him you sinned against his Creator and Redeemer. The case is brought before the only true Mediator, our great High Priest, who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin," and who is "touched with the feeling of our infirmities," and is able to cleanse from every stain of iniquity. Hebrews 4:15.

 

[Andrew]

Godown,

I know full well that the 'traditional' teaching is that when you sin, you need to confess that sin in order for God to forgive you and in order for you to become righteous once more. And the verse of scripture used to support this is 1 Jn 1:9. Been there, done that, but it never really brought peace. If I were to take that teaching seriously, I wouldn't be able to lead a normal life, becos I will be confessing sins all day long.

That's the thing, only those who really take this teaching seriously will come to know that there is something wrong with it.

So undoubtedly, you will find a lot of sources on the net that teach this. There is nothing new here.

Question: "Why do we need to confess our sins if they have already been forgiven (1 John 1:9)?"

Answer: The Apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians that "So we praise God for the wonderful kindness he has poured out on us because we belong to his dearly loved Son. He is so rich in kindness that he purchased our freedom through the blood of his Son, and our sins are forgiven. He has showered his kindness on us, along with all wisdom and understanding (Ephesians 1:6-8, NLT). This is referring to salvation where God has taken our sins and as the Psalmist says put them as far as the East is from the West (Psalm 102:12). This is the judicial forgiveness that God gives us upon receiving His Son Jesus Christ. All the past, present, and future sins are forgiven on a judicial basis meaning that we will not suffer eternal punishment for our sins. We still often suffer consequences of sin while we are here on earth - which brings us to your question.

The difference between Ephesians and 1 John is that 1 John is dealing with what we call "familial" forgiveness like that of a father and a son. For example if you do something wrong to your father, that is fall short of his expectations or rules, you have a hindered relationship but you are still a son. That relationship is hindered until you admit to your father that you have done wrong. The same way works with God, your relationship is hindered with God until you confess that sin. Then the relationship is restored.

I read the first 2 paras and already what strikes me is this man-made ideas of "judicial forgiveness" and "familial forgiveness". There is no such thing in the Bible! It's the same with this idea of "positional" righteousness.

They all say the same thing: "Well, technically, you are saved/righteous/forgiven but then again, you see, actually, its not so straightfoward... you still have to..."

No wonder so many new converts are so soon robbed of their joy. The moment they are saved, they are taught confession of sin based on 1 Jn 1:9.

This is man's attempts to 'explain away' or 'soften' the impact of the good news, which is so good many Christians themselves have to soften it with such explanations.

Have you even read 1 Jn 1:9 carefully to know what it implies? How in the world can a Christian be "cleansed of all unrighteousness" over and over and over and over again throughout his life? Either we are cleansed of all unrighteousness once for all by the blood or we are not at all.

Come on, read the verse carefully: It says CLEANSED OF ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

How many times do you expect that to happen in your Christian life?

You mean everytime you sin, you become unrighteous or less righteous (if that's even possible)? Then, when you confess that sin, assuming you remember to, you become 100% righteous again becos God cleanses you from all unrighteousness? And this is supposed to go on and on and on until you die?

So what if you die forgetting to confess a couple of sins? Do you die with say 60% righteousness? Then what happens? Do you enter heaven 60% righteous? Or do you go to hell?

Can you see how ridiculous this teaching is? I mean, I've seriously thot about 1 Jn 1:9 the way it has been traditionally taught, and I can only come up with those ridiculous conclusions I've underlined. That's is why I have to disagree. And again, if I have to take this teaching seriously, then I won't be able to lead a normal life. I don't see how any Christian can either.

Again, it boils down to "Well you are righteous but then again, you see... actually, not so..."

 

[Andrew]

our sins, one to another. Short piece of an article but very good points...

Confession


"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." Proverbs 28:13.

The conditions of obtaining mercy of God are simple and just and reasonable. The Lord does not require us to do some grievous thing in order that we may have the forgiveness of sin. We need not make long and wearisome pilgrimages, or perform painful penances, to commend our souls to the God of heaven or to expiate our transgression; but he that confesseth and forsaketh his sin shall have mercy.


The apostle says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed." James 5:16. Confess your sins to God, who only can forgive them, and your faults to one another. If you have given offense to your friend or neighbor, you are to acknowledge your wrong, and it is his duty freely to forgive you. Then you are to seek the forgiveness of God, because the brother you have wounded is the property of God, and in injuring him you sinned against his Creator and Redeemer. The case is brought before the only true Mediator, our great High Priest, who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin," and who is "touched with the feeling of our infirmities," and is able to cleanse from every stain of iniquity. Hebrews 4:15.

All I can say is that this writer has misunderstood the verses and is mixing law and grace.

 

[God_Owned]

They all say the same thing: "Well, technically, you are saved/righteous/forgiven but then again, you see, actually, its not so straightforward... you still have to..."

You continually confuse terms, i.e. "...saved/righteous/forgiven.." One again, yes you are made righteous when you're saved and yes you are forgiven. Righteousness equates to being called by the name above all names. It is like your name was changed from Mr. Satan to Mr. Jesus as if you were adopted from one family to another. This does not mean that all the Mr. Jesus' out there don't ever sin. This does not mean that you will remain free from the destruction of sin if you don't receive forgiveness by faith. This does not mean that you will remain in fellowship with God when you sin. This is why you must confess your sins. The Bible is abundantly clear on this point.

No wonder so many new converts are so soon robbed of their joy. The moment they are saved, they are taught confession of sin based on 1 Jn 1:9.

This is nonsense. Obeying God's word is always good.

This is man's attempts to 'explain away' or 'soften' the impact of the good news, which is so good many Christians themselves have to soften it with such explanations.

No one is taking away from the good news by confessing their sins. You have had more than enough scripture for you to see this if you would simply decide that you want to see it. Confessing your sin keeps you in a position so that you can benefit from all of the good news.

Have you even read 1 Jn 1:9 carefully to know what it implies? How in the world can a Christian be "cleansed of all unrighteousness" over and over and over and over again throughout his life? Either we are cleansed of all unrighteousness once for all by the blood or we are not at all.

You are in error. Being cleansed from all unrighteousness doesn't mean that you are living a righteousness life. You are again confusing scriptual paradigms.

Again, it boils down to "Well you are righteous but then again, you see... actually, not so..."

This is not what is being said. This is what you choose to hear.