Confession of sin?

[J4Jesus]

-----So what do you do when you sin?

You say, "Father I'm sorry I fell. But I thank you there is no condemnation and the blood of Christ covers even this sin. I thank you that I am still the righteousness of God in Christ. My righteousness is a gift from the Lord that is not based on my behaviour.

Now, there is no law that says that you cannot say, "Father, I'm sorry. Forgive me." --

Hi Andrew
I'm glad you said this. I can agree with that . To me this IS confessing our sin. Because "Confess" means to agree with" so we are agreeing we missed the mark and failed according to what God says. But because we admit it and are sorry we are cleansed by His blood and in right standing with God. According to Romans 8 :1 there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who walk in the spirit and not the flesh. If we fail we do not let the enemy comdemn us. We do not dwell on it or becomes "sin conscious". We immediately admit it when we realize it and go on and stay in fellowship with God. We dwell on Him , His Word, His goodness, His power and His righteousness which he gives to us.


We say or pray the verse concerning this-" Lord your Word says in 1 John 1:9 if we confess our sin you are faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So according to your Word I am in right standing with you."


But I do believe this verse is for ALL of us not just sinners, for this reason : --he said if "WE" confess , which included him and us. If it was not for Christians why would he include even himself? All through the first chapter he says "WE". And in chapter 2:1 he said my little children, (meaning Christians ),
"I write these things so you may not sin. And if anyone sins we have an Adcovocate with the Father , Jesus Christ the righteous"
We know the bible was not separated into chapters back then so these chapters and verses were all concerning the same subject and are for us.

In verse 6 , 8 and 9 I believe is it is referring to us when we DO sin and get out of fellowship with Him, yet lie and decieve ourselves saying we are IN fellowship when we are in fact walking in darkness.

God bless you

 

[Andrew]

Hi Andrew
I'm glad you said this. I can agree with that . To me this IS confessing our sin. Because "Confess" means to agree with" so we are agreeing we missed the mark and failed according to what God says.

Hi J4Jesus,

Yes, confess in the Greek is 'homo-logeo'. ie to say the same thing as God. ie Agree with what God says.

So what do we say?

Under the new covenant, God says, "Your sins and lawless deeds I will by no means remember." God says, "You have forgiveness of sins." So this is what we are to say. However, we no longer need to say that we "missed the mark" or "fall short of the glory of God" becos that is our condition before we were saved. Every mark that we will ever miss in life has already been paid for at the cross.

We say or pray the verse concerning this-" Lord your Word says in 1 John 1:9 if we confess our sin you are faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So according to your Word I am in right standing with you."

But I do believe this verse is for ALL of us not just sinners, for this reason : --he said if "WE" confess , which included him and us. If it was not for Christians why would he include even himself? All through the first chapter he says "WE". And in chapter 2:1 he said my little children, (meaning Christians ),
"I write these things so you may not sin. And if anyone sins we have an Adcovocate with the Father , Jesus Christ the righteous"
We know the bible was not separated into chapters back then so these chapters and verses were all concerning the same subject and are for us.

In verse 6 , 8 and 9 I believe is it is referring to us when we DO sin and get out of fellowship with Him, yet lie and decieve ourselves saying we are IN fellowship when we are in fact walking in darkness.

God bless you

This is where I have to disagree, simply becos it is addressing gnosticism, not Christians. I think the website link that I posted best explains this. The Spirit-Filled Bible also has this explanation before the book of 1 Jn.

Also, if you think about it, we can only be "cleansed from all unrighteousness" once. We are made righteous once. Either we have it or we don't .

We don't become unrighteous or 50% righteous everytime we sin. And then after we confess our sin, God makes us 100% righteous again.

That is terrible. Even the blood of bulls and goats was effective for one year. Yet, we are saying that the blood of Christ is effective only until our next sin. This is simply not the gospel.

That's why this confession of sin to be forgive and 're-righteoused' is error and it insults the blood of God, putting it lower than the blood of animals.

 

[God_Owned]

Gnosticism description and history, version 2
Founder: Some consider Simon Magus to be the Father of Gnosticism. However, Gnosticism has also been defined as a mystical religion said to be "as old as humanity itself."(Ellwood and Partin: 95-96) Gnostic beliefs can be "found in all religions and religious philosophies, from Upanishads to the wisdom of ancient Egypt, and from the Gathas of Zarathustra to the mystery-cults of Greece and Rome."(Ellwood and Partin: 96) There are others who say that Gnosticism was built upon the combined teachings of its important leaders. Some of these include Basilides, Valentinus, Marcion, Ptolemaeus, Cerinthus, Menander, Simon Magus, and Saturninus (Grant: 30-43).
What is Gnosticism: As noted, Gnosticism has been defined as a mystical religion (Ellwood and Partin: 96). It is a mixing of rites and myths from a variety of religious traditions, combining Occultism, Oriental Mysticism, astrology, magic, elements from Jewish tradition, Christian views of redemption, and even aspects of Plato's doctrine that man is not at home in the bodily realm (McManners: 26). Despite the fact that many Gnostic systems vary, they all have in common "a world view shaped by Hellenism and Neoplatism" and "esoteric Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and the ancient heritages of Egypt and Mesopotamia."(Ellwood and Partin: 92) One can directly trace some of the individual aspects of Gnosticism to their roots. Their beliefs in the resurrection of the dead and dualism come from Iranian-Zoroastrian religious ideas (Rudolph: 282). Their communities are organized like the Hellenistic Mystery religions (Rudolph: 285). Orphism and Greek background influenced the Gnostic belief that the soul suffers in this world and it is fate that man should have to endure it. In turn, living a righteous life leads to salvation (Rudolph: 286).
Gnostics consider themselves "people in the know. [They] are the elect, their souls fragments of the divine, needing liberation from matter and the power of the planets." (McManners: 26) They believe that God is found in the self as well as outside the self (Ellwood and Partin: 96). The greatest hope for the Gnostic is to attain ultimate, first-hand knowledge so that they may be freed from this world and return to the world of God.
History: Gnosticism has changed over time and through different leaders, however it flourished during the first several centuries (Edwards). There were two major parts of Gnosticism: the Syrian Cult and the Alexandrian Cult. The Syrian Cult was led by Simon Magus, while the other was led by Basilides. Basilides impressed "Egyptian Hermetizism, Oriental occultism, Chaldean astrology, and Persian philosophy in his followers."(Davies) Also, his doctrines intertwined early Christianity and pagan mysteries (Davies). Aside from his Gnostic leadership Basilides remained a member of the church in Alexandria until he died (Eliade: 571). When Basilides died, Valentinus took over leadership of Gnostics, incorporating some of his own ideas (Davies). He was born in Egypt, familiar with Greek culture, and was nearly a bishop (being passed up for a martyr). He then separated from the church (Foerster: 121). Valentinus incorporated the pleroma, or heavenly world, into Gnosticism. The pleroma consists of at least thirty aeons (worlds). He also believed that ignorance is the root of the world and if it no longer existed, the world would cease to exist (Foerster: 122).
During the 2nd Century, several systems of Gnosticism grew in Alexandria and the Mediterranean area, most of which were closely related to Christianity. This was a period in which Gnosticism came to focus on Gnosis itself, as a goal for Gnostics to reach (Edwards). This century was also a period when Pagan, Jewish and Christian forms of Gnosticism had the most influence on the doctrine and structure of the Christian Church, even though critics treated it a Christian heresy (Crim: 277). Valentinus and another strong Gnostic leader, Marcion, were the most feared by the Catholic church (Crim: 278 and Rudolph: 296). They offered an alternate or rival form of Christianity, which caused the church to begin setting up barriers to Gnosticism (McManners: 27).
Mani came into leadership, and "Gnosticism became a world religion when Mani (216-277) founded his alternative Christian Church."(Eliade: 572) Mani, the Jewish-Christian raised in a Baptist community, started Manichaeism. It existed for over one thousand years (Eliade: 572). However, Manichaeism disappeared in the West during the Middle Ages. When Roman Catholicism became the state church in Armenia, the Gnostics hid in the outskirts and mountains (Eliade: 572).
After the 3rd Century, Gnosticism practically disappeared. There was some attempt to revive it during the Middle Ages, but this was nearly impossible because any documents or material about Gnostics had been buried in the desert.
The recent revival in interest was due to the discovery of the Nag Hammadi codices in 1945, revealing the writings and beliefs of the Gnostics (Davies). One sign that there was still interest in Gnosticism between these periods was the fact that William Blake, the poet and artist, was a known Gnostic during the late 1700's and early 1800's. Also, a man by the name of Jakob Boehme was noted as starting up modern Gnosticism in the early 1600's (Eliade: 572).
Cult or Sect: Negative sentiments are typically implied when the concepts "cult" and "sect" are employed in popular discourse. Since the Religious Movements Homepage seeks to promote religious tolerance and appreciation of the positive benefits of pluralism and religious diversity in human cultures, we encourage the use of alternative concepts that do not carry implicit negative stereotypes. For a more detailed discussion of both scholarly and popular usage of the concepts "cult" and "sect," please visit our Conceptualizing "Cult" and "Sect" page, where you will find additional links to related issues.
Sacred or Revered Texts: The Nag Hammadi codices were discovered around 1945 in Egypt, along with other manuscripts found in Medinet Madi in 1930 and in Turkistan between 1902-1914. The Nag Hammadi texts contain 52 sacred texts, which are the "Gnostic Gospels." It had been speculated that they were buried in a jar around 390 AD by monks from St. Pachomius (Nag Hammadi). Little was known about Gnosticism until the documents were found. Previously, the only evidence about Gnostics was from their critics, who regarded them as Christian Heresy, such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and Epiphanius (Gnosticism). An important aspect of the Nag Hammadi documents is their ability to tie Gnosticism to its roots. Many of the books are not actually Gnostic. The Gospel of Thomas is encratitic, Thunder, Whole Mind is Jewish, Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles is Jewish-Christian, Prayer of Thanksgiving is Hermetic, and Authoritative Teaching is early Catholic (Eliade: 567).
The contents of the Nag Hammadi codices illuminate the beliefs of the Gnostics. They describe the "unfolding of Divine Powers (called 'Aeons') from the Unknowable Godhead; the Cosmos as the result of a pre-creation error of crisis, and therefore evil; and the fall of the Light -- the essence of the Spirit or Divine Soul -- into the Darkness of matter, where it remains trapped until liberated by saving knowledge (Gnosis)."(Gnosticism) In Christian Gnosticism, Jesus is the Divine Messenger who brings Gnosis to humans. However, in Non-Christian Gnosticism it could be Seth (from the Bible), Zostrianos (a form of the prophet from the Persian religion Zoroastrianism), or a mythological entity (Gnosticism).
The Cathar Texts are also Gnostic writings from the medieval resurgence of Gnosticism through the group the Cathars. The writings of the Corpus Hermeticum belong to one of the non-Christian forms of Gnosticism, the Hermetics (Davies).
Modern Issues: Gnosticism is still present in modern times. Richard, Duc de Palatine established the Order of the Pleroma in the 1950's in England. He had Stephen Hoeller go to the United States to continue their work. Hoeller separated from Duc de Palatine in the 70's and started the Ecclesia Gnostica, a church, and the Gnostic Society. Hoeller's gnostic "church celebrates the Holy Eucharist every Sunday and Holy Days." (Elwood and Partin: 95) Their ceremonies and vestments are similar to the Roman Catholics, but the language uses Gnostic terminology. The scriptures are generally from Pistis Sophia or Gospel of Thomas (Ellwood and Partin: 95). There are other such gnostic churches. The American Gnostic Church in Texas was started in 1985 and their teachings reflect those of the 2nd Century Gnostic teachings of Basilides (Melton: 761). Rosamonde Miller started the Ecclesia Gnostica Mysteriorum in Palo Alto, CA (Borce).
While there are example such as these in the West, there are also gnostics in "several Sufi orders of Islam."(Edwards) Also, at present there are approximately "15000 Mandaeans (Aramaic word for Gnostics) liv[ing] in Iraq and Iran."(Eliade: 570) In a more general sense there is "gnosticism in Jewish wisdom tradition, Kabbalah, Mahayana, and Vajrayana Buddhism" as well as in Sikhism (Edwards).
Beliefs

Gnosis refers to a knowledge that is essential to free oneself from the evil material world and bodily existence (Crim: 277). Gnostics believe humans err because they are ignorant, unlike the Christian belief that man is sinful by nature. Gnostics will receive salvation when they gain knowledge, gnosis. The knowledge must be of their inner self or soul. It is similar to the Hindu definition of meditation (Borce).
Some of the basic beliefs of Gnosticism are as follows:
"Between this world and the God incomprehensible to our thought, the 'primal cause,' there is an irreconcilable antagonism.
The 'self,' the 'I' of the gnostic, his 'spirit' or soul, is unalterably divine.
This 'I,' however, has fallen into this world, has been imprisoned and anaesthetized by it, and cannot free itself from it.
Only a divine 'call' from the world of light loosens the bonds of captivity.
But only at the end of the world does the divine element in a man return again to its home."(Foerster: 9) Another unique aspect of the Gnostic belief system is their view of the creation of the world. They believe that the true God has a feminine side, Sophia, the Spirit part of God. Jesus was a product of God and Spirit, and joined them to make up the Trinity. Sophia wanted to give birth to a being like herself. She proceeded without permission from God. The result was imperfect and she was ashamed of it, so she hid it in a cloud away from the other immortals. The child was the Demiurge. He was born with some power (from the Spirit) and used it to create the physical world. This trapped the "spirit in matter"(Borce). The view of the imperfections of creation are similar to those in Hebrew scripture, just as the Creator is incompetent (McManners: 27). The Gnostics taught that the Demiurge was Yehovah from the Old Testament. Jesus, on the other hand, they believe came from God and the Holy Spirit, not from the Demiurge. Jesus taught Gnostics the secret knowledge (gnosis), which he did not teach to the church. This belief created animosity between the church and the Gnostics. Also, contrary to Christian teachings about Jesus being born of the virgin Mary, Gnostics believe that Jesus entered Mary's body via sexual intercourse between Mary and Joseph (Borce).
Gnostics had several other beliefs that dismayed early Christians. They scorned bishops, priests and deacons, however, they let women hold leadership and liturgical positions (McManners: 28). Many Gnostics would not make the sign of the cross, because to them the "suffering of Jesus was no actual event but a symbol for the universal condition of the human race."(McManners: 28) Christ could not have become flesh in order to be crucified, since they believe that there is a separation of spirit from matter. They view flesh as polluting (McManners: 27). This belief would also support why they do not put faith in the eucharist, which is supposed to be the body of Christ. Mani, the leader of the Manicheaists, also did not believe in the drinking of wine, the blood of Christ, because he saw it as an invention of the devil. Many Gnostics also do not recognize the significance of baptism in water (McManners: 27). They also believe they are the elect group that will gain salvation, via gnosis, and everyone else will be annihilated. "Moral virtue was of little interest to Gnostics, whose confidence in their own salvation made all that seem a matter of indifference."(McManners: 28)
Gnostics also have a different view of the make up of the world. Aeons are worlds, or "distinct spiritual entities," which all together make up the pleroma, or fullness (Foerster: 24). The pleroma is above the cosmos and is the "spiritual Divine Reality," the true God's realm (Gnosticism). This is the place a Gnostic hopes to return to through salvation.

 

[J4Jesus]

............This is where I have to disagree, simply becos it is addressing gnosticism, not Christians. I think the website link that I posted best explains this. The Spirit-Filled Bible also has this explanation before the book of 1 Jn. .......
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That's why this confession of sin to be forgive and 're-righteoused' is error and it insults the blood of God, putting it lower than the blood of animals.

I think we disagree on this because I dont see anything in the Word of God that says it is to the gnostics. And you can find links and commentaries in different Bibles, which are man's opinions, that say just the opposite of each other. But I guess this is as far as the discussion can go becuase I am not going to be disagreeable about it.



But concerning you statement above I do want you to know and anyone reading this that I would NEVER insult or say anything against the blood of Jesus and I always HONOR THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS for it is POWERFUL and the ONLY thing that can save us and wash our sins away.


God bless

 

[Andrew]

But concerning you statement above I do want you to know and anyone reading this that I would NEVER insult or say anything against the blood of Jesus and I always HONOR THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS for it is POWERFUL and the ONLY thing that can save us and wash our sins away.
God bless

Tell me why then, in the Old Covenant, the blood of bulls and goats was enough to cover the sins of Israel for one whole year. The high priest went into the holy of holies once a year on the day of Atonement to sprinkle the blood to make atonement for the people. And that was good for one year..

Yet, many Christians insult the blood of Christ by saying that it is effective only until our next sin. Some crucify him again everynight, some every Friday, some many times a day.

If we say that we honor the blood, then we must believe it has washed away all our sins. Otherwise, we are still putting it below the blood of animals. We may not openly or intentionally insult the blood. But by believing that one has to confess his sin everytime he sins in order to be forgiven again and re-righteoused again (as the 1 Jn 1:9 implies), then that is to dilute the blood of Christ.

Again, we don't become unrighteous or only 50% righteous everytime we sin. And then after we confess our sin, God makes us 100% righteous again. That is what Christians are believing becos they have wrongly understood 1 Jn 1:9 and built an erroneous practise based on one verse.

 

[followjesus777]

Tell me why then, in the Old Covenant, the blood of bulls and goats was enough to cover the sins of Israel for one whole year. The high priest went into the holy of holies once a year on the day of Atonement to sprinkle the blood to make atonement for the people. And that was good for one year..

Yet, many Christians insult the blood of Christ by saying that it is effective only until our next sin. Some crucify him again everynight, some every Friday, some many times a day.

If we say that we honor the blood, then we must believe it has washed away all our sins. Otherwise, we are still putting it below the blood of animals. We may not openly or intentionally insult the blood. But by believing that one has to confess his sin everytime he sins in order to be forgiven again and re-righteoused again (as the 1 Jn 1:9 implies), then that is to dilute the blood of Christ.

Again, we don't become unrighteous or only 50% righteous everytime we sin. And then after we confess our sin, God makes us 100% righteous again. That is what Christians are believing becos they have wrongly understood 1 Jn 1:9 and built an erroneous practise based on one verse.

(((Amen!!!))) The MIGHTY POWERFUL 'COMPLETE' ATTONEMENT of the Blood of Christ!

and i agree wholeheartedly agree!!!!! and PTL GLORY TO GOD!!!~
keeping in mind(1Cor8:9)
Godbless you!~

 

[J4Jesus]

Andrew
Like I said before this is as far as I can go in this discussion because we are just rehashing everything over and over. What you just wrote is almost identical to what you said before.

Be blessed

 

[God_Owned]

I think we disagree on this because I dont see anything in the Word of God that says it is to the gnostics.

God bless

I agree with your reasoning and there are many other reasons that I think Andrew is not correct, but he is convinced. For his sake, I wish he were right, even tough I'm certain he's not.

 

[Andrew]

(((Amen!!!))) The MIGHTY POWERFUL 'COMPLETE' ATTONEMENT of the Blood of Christ!

and i agree wholeheartedly agree!!!!! and PTL GLORY TO GOD!!!~
keeping in mind(1Cor8:9)
Godbless you!~

Amen! You're blessed cos you know the good news!

 

[TreeOfLife]

Tell me why then, in the Old Covenant, the blood of bulls and goats was enough to cover the sins of Israel for one whole year. The high priest went into the holy of holies once a year on the day of Atonement to sprinkle the blood to make atonement for the people. And that was good for one year..

Yet, many Christians insult the blood of Christ by saying that it is effective only until our next sin. Some crucify him again everynight, some every Friday, some many times a day.

If we say that we honor the blood, then we must believe it has washed away all our sins. Otherwise, we are still putting it below the blood of animals. We may not openly or intentionally insult the blood. But by believing that one has to confess his sin everytime he sins in order to be forgiven again and re-righteoused again (as the 1 Jn 1:9 implies), then that is to dilute the blood of Christ.

Again, we don't become unrighteous or only 50% righteous everytime we sin. And then after we confess our sin, God makes us 100% righteous again. That is what Christians are believing becos they have wrongly understood 1 Jn 1:9 and built an erroneous practise based on one verse.

Amen and Amen.

Focus on the payment, not the debt.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Amen and Amen.

Focus on the payment, not the debt.

We so want to only eat the Passover Lamb but we forget that on the same Table there were 'Bitter Herbs.'

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I don' t know this because I don't know every Christian.



If you commit a murder, you're still go jail. If you persist in sin, your heart will condemn you and you will lose confidence that God will answer your prayer. These are consequences.



The Holy spirit sensitizes Christians to sin.



If you persist in sin, your heart will condemn you and you will lose confidence that God will answer your prayer.

Right on~
It is Written:
In: Hebrews 3 and 4.

Highlights:

Heb 3:7-13
7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, (((tell this same word here and keep warning!!))) while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
KJV

Heb 3:14-15
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
KJV

Heb 3:19-4:1
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4

4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. KJV

Highlights:

Heb 4:6
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: (((meaning God won't send serpents to me if I disobey what He is saying to me. They did not believe that HE WAS GOD AND LORD AND KING....BUT GOD does what He has warned and what He swares to do - FOR BLESSINGS OR TO THE CURSE TO DESTROY YOU/ME.)))


CHOOSE LIFE DEAR ONES!!! CHOSE LIFE!!! AND HEAR ALSO HIS WARNINGS!!!
A very sobering God we worship - A Jealous God!!!
I tell you each time I share the word, it's cutting me too....to more walk in Love and stand before Jesus in a Holy Fear,...for if I love any evil area in my heart - God has already swore that He won't let me enter in His Rest.

Heb 4:10-11
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
KJV

Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. KJV

Highlights:

Heb 4:14-16
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. KJV

How is our Healthy Fear of the Lord now?
Do we want consolation? Then Fear the Lord and Run Boldly to HIM he knows all of our weaknesses - from the beginning He knew and still He chose to Create us for His Good pleasure but we must (here comes THE BITTER HERBS---->) obey His Voice through His Word. His Commandments are not grievous.
Connie
UPDATED:

 

[TreeOfLife]

It's never been about what a person does. It's always been about who they are.

 

[followjesus777]

It's never been about what a person does. It's always been about who they are.

(((Amen!~) IN CHRIST JESUS PTL!~

THIS IDENTITY does result in works but not vice versa!~God's timing, non of us are 'there yet'!~Patience is a fruit of the Holy Spirit!~ He has it with us Brother, and we have it with others?!~correct?!~

 

[Andrew]

We so want to only eat the Passover Lamb but we forget that on the same Table there were 'Bitter Herbs.'

Just a side thot:

The Passover, while being a shadow/type of the Holy Communion, IS NOT the Holy Communion.

One speaks of Christ TO BE crucified, the other speaks of Christ who HAS BEEN crucified.

Also, in the Holy Communion, there is no bitter herbs to remind us of our sufferings as slaves in Egypt.

Eygpt in the Bible is a type of world and Pharoah is a type of Satan. What the 10 plagues could not do, the blood did. Only Christ's blood can free us from slavery to Satan.

Post cross, we are already set free through Christ. That is why there are no bitter herbs in the Holy Communion to remind us of our suffering.

It is about remembering HIM and HIS suffering, not our own suffering. One looks at Christ, one looks at self.

 

[God_Owned]

Right on~
It is Written:
In: Hebrews 3 and 4.







How is our Healthy Fear of the Lord now?
Do we want consolation? Then Fear the Lord and Run Boldly to HIM he knows all of our weaknesses - from the beginning He knew and still He chose to Create us for His Good pleasure but we must (here comes THE BITTER HERBS---->) obey His Voice through His Word. His Commandments are not grievous.
Connie
UPDATED:

Right on!

 

[TreeOfLife]

Just a side thot:

The Passover, while being a shadow/type of the Holy Communion, IS NOT the Holy Communion.

One speaks of Christ TO BE crucified, the other speaks of Christ who HAS BEEN crucified.

Also, in the Holy Communion, there is no bitter herbs to remind us of our sufferings as slaves in Egypt.

Eygpt in the Bible is a type of world and Pharoah is a type of Satan. What the 10 plagues could not do, the blood did. Only Christ's blood can free us from slavery to Satan.

Post cross, we are already set free through Christ. That is why there are no bitter herbs in the Holy Communion to remind us of our suffering.

It is about remembering HIM and HIS suffering, not our own suffering. One looks at Christ, one looks at self.

Amen Andrew.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Amen sister. God does not want you to look at your flesh, the works of your flesh, and get depressed.

He wants you to look at His Son and His perfect sacrifice for you, so that you'll rest from your works and be transformed from glory to glory!

Andrew,

Num 9:11-13
11 The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.

13 But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of the LORD in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin. KJV

Andrew, *smiles* this word is Spiritual to us now.

This Passover Meal is: A Picture of Christ down to the bone not being broken.
We are not to Separate Christ from His Word. Which now we know that the Law is Spiritual.

Look at Israel according to the Natural:
Israel couldn't rest on the land until they utterly destroyed God's enemies on the land.
Now it's all Spiritual - the enemies are what's on our land: The World, the flesh and the devil.
It is a work we work (not with hands - the Law outward) through the Holy Spirit putting to death the deeds of the flesh so that he can change us into His Image - from glory to glory. God said it to Israel this way to teach them Spiritual means, but in the natural first of how Warfare looks like:[BIBLE]Deuteronomy 12:10-11[/BIBLE]
But read the whole Hebrew's Chapter of 3 and 4.
[BIBLE]Hebrews 3:14-19[/BIBLE]
[bible]Hebrews 4:1[/bible]
Jesus was teaching them the Spiritual view - just like He had taught Israel of the past in the natual. Jesus came in Grace and Truth showing us the meanings to his disciples: [BIBLE]Mark 7:18-23[/BIBLE]
The enemies (Deut.) were a Spiritual Picture that was in the heart. God wants us to still 'battle' to rid everything on the heart that defiles a man. As you can see in the Natural (Israel) is displaying how even in most of us the land is still not at rest, when we are not making Christ Lord.

~~~~~Rom 8:13-14
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

So, actually God wants you to see the deeds of your flesh so that through the Holy Spirit you can utterly destroy it - put it to death. Same picture He showed the Children of Israel. Same God who is leading us on into His Rest.

Andrew God wants to give you rest but you must enter in God's Way.
And I believe He wants you to know His Ways.

The Lord bless you as you consider,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Right on!

The Lord be Praised.
God bless you Godown.

 

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Just a side thot:

The Passover, while being a shadow/type of the Holy Communion, IS NOT the Holy Communion.

One speaks of Christ TO BE crucified, the other speaks of Christ who HAS BEEN crucified.

Also, in the Holy Communion, there is no bitter herbs to remind us of our sufferings as slaves in Egypt.

Eygpt in the Bible is a type of world and Pharoah is a type of Satan. What the 10 plagues could not do, the blood did. Only Christ's blood can free us from slavery to Satan.

Post cross, we are already set free through Christ. That is why there are no bitter herbs in the Holy Communion to remind us of our suffering.

It is about remembering HIM and HIS suffering, not our own suffering. One looks at Christ, one looks at self.

Andrew,

It is a Spiriual Word I wrote not a natural word. The same Meal God had Israel eat is the Same Spiritual Meal we eat now,.....even the bitter herbs. You'll be reading in the Bible and not soon after you'll come across a bitter herb.

the Holy Spirit through Paul the Apostle through out the book of Hebrews reminds us in the wilderness that when Israel sinned and provoked The Lord they were destroyed because they did not want to suffer and cease from sin to believe God's Word. This is a bitter herb that was being fed to us as we read to reminds us what happens when sin is accomplished.

Andrew, like I said it's a Spiritual Word I am saying as Paul was saying through the Holy Spirit.
It's not something you can touch. For when the hands of man are involved there is always a betrayer at hand. That too was a bitter herb I just said in the Spirit to you. God is One. Jesus learned obedience by the things he suffered - those were His bitter herbs to eat as well as do we in Christ now.

Bitter Herbs: Are reminding you what sin can do - what it has done and how it puts us back into bondage if we turn back to live there again to serve it.
Look at some of the words in the Bible that speakss of the Bitter Herbs:
Serve sin:
Let not sin:
Unto sin:
of sin:
is sin:
take heed:
if ye:
that sin rebuke:
yoke of bondage:
bondage:
And almost every Proverb has a bitter herb to eat, that we might remember what Sin does to us if we don't take care of our walk. It's to wash our feet if we let it as Christ washed out feet before He was crucified that we might was eachothers feet in the same basin. And so in most of the Holy Scriptures there are bitter Herbs to eat,....lest we forget what sin does to us when we engage in it.

This Meal: It's actually all over your Bible:
The Lamb and the bitter Herbs.

I kid you not my friend!

Peace to you as you eat The Whole Meal of God,
Connie